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Posted: 1/25/2018 9:47:07 AM EDT
A little background: I'm the typical gun guy, not one of the millionaires of GD. I have a good job, have student debt, and live within my means. According to non-gun folks I spend way to much money on guns, but to me I feel like $400-500 every 3-4 months isn't crazy. I scrimp and save in other areas in order to afford this. I drive an older car with a lower payment, live in a small rental house, have an older, smaller TV etc.
Because of my budget restrictions, I tend to be careful about my purchases and tend to try and justify them to myself. Two years ago my money was spent prepping for a Democrat inspired election panic. This year I find myself in the "salad days" trying to stock up on ammunition and various components and accessories for what I already have. There are a lot of guns/tools/accessories that I want/need from a trust and a few suppressors/sbr stamps to a new reloading bench and progressive press. Also, because of my lack of a huge disposable income there are a bunch of guns I have wanted for years, but they have always cost too much and don't really give me a significantly improved tool in the toolbox compared to what I already have. A couple guns that I have always wanted are a Tavor, M1a, Sub 2000, Winchester 1873 etc. Anyway, I just got a new job that will give me a bit of a bump in income. I think I want to buy one of my "just because" guns to celebrate. I have been looking at the PS90. I always wanted one (grew up on SG1), but I avoided them based on cost, cost of ammo, and the fact that I have other tools that do the same job either better (AR pistol) or cheaper (scorpion). So this would really be a "just because" gun. I would probably keep a thousand or so rounds on hand (no deep stacking) because it would be my first purely "fun" gun. I would want to get a ring sight for it and eventually SBR the thing. So, PS90 owners or operators: will I regret buying this gun? Should I spend my limited funds on a different fun gun? TL;DR:. I have limited funds, and want a "Grail" fun gun. Will I regret spending money on a PS90 that could have gone to something else? Or is it $1300 well spent? ETA: Maybe a better question is "would you buy your PS90 again"? |
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The PS90 shines as a SBR. but, in good conscious, it's not that impressive. The rounds are expensive, the factory optic is mediocre, the safety and trigger are odd. While I like mine and it fits my collection nicely, it's far from the holy grail gun.
In the FA P90, I found it's rate of fire to higher than I liked and the accuracy to be average. The 50 round magazine is nice, and the SBR or FA models conceals nicely. If your ever in N/W Ohio, drop me a line and arrange for you to shoot the FA variant and you can decide for yourself. 18Z50.....Putting the suck in SFAS since 1993 |
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I have had a second gen for years now. It's ok. I rarely shoot it. My kids liked it growing up
Personally I think it would be a waste. Do you have any Pistols? get a nice Dan Wesson like a Silverback, Pointman etc.... |
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Well you bought a sub 2000 so you really cant top that for a waste.
Nothing at all that you can buy will compare to the 90. Its really in a class of its own. People that say its a waste or complaining about it are comparing to completely different beasts. You cant compare it to 556 rifles/sbrs & you really cant compare it to pistol caliber carbines/smgs. Its small... sooo tiny. Completely ambidextrous. Zero recoil. Decent range. 50 rounds that doesnt stick out like a 3rd arm. Eye candy like nothing else & instantly recognizable. And ammo is cheap now. I will never sell mine. Going thru the bans it is a firearm Id thought I would never have a chance to own. |
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I have had a second gen for years now. It's ok. I rarely shoot it. My kids liked it growing up Personally I think it would be a waste. Do you have any Pistols? get a nice Dan Wesson like a Silverback, Pointman etc.... View Quote |
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Love my gen 3 PS90 SBR. I used a mount that replaces factory sight block with a Mini 1.5 acog. Shoots like a dream and is outstanding with CQB. Stocked up on ammo awhile back when it was cheaper.
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The PS90 shines as a SBR. but, in good conscious, it's not that impressive. The rounds are expensive, the factory optic is mediocre, the safety and trigger are odd. While I like mine and it fits my collection nicely, it's far from the holy grail gun. In the FA P90, I found it's rate of fire to higher than I liked and the accuracy to be average. The 50 round magazine is nice, and the SBR or FA models conceals nicely. If your ever in N/W Ohio, drop me a line and arrange for you to shoot the FA variant and you can decide for yourself. 18Z50.....Putting the suck in SFAS since 1993 View Quote |
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Well you bought a sub 2000 so you really cant top that for a waste. Nothing at all that you can buy will compare to the 90. Its really in a class of its own. People that say its a waste or complaining about it are comparing to completely different beasts. You cant compare it to 556 rifles/sbrs & you really cant compare it to pistol caliber carbines/smgs. Its small... sooo tiny. Completely ambidextrous. Zero recoil. Decent range. 50 rounds that doesnt stick out like a 3rd arm. Eye candy like nothing else & instantly recognizable. And ammo is cheap now. I will never sell mine. Going thru the bans it is a firearm Id thought I would never have a chance to own. View Quote Thanks for your feedback on the PS90. I want one, I just don't want to regret the purchase. |
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I have a Gen 2 PS90 and I really like it. However, I also built a Gen 2 AR57 Pistol with a retractable SB PDW brace that takes the same PS90 magazines with an AR-15 lower and it is badass. It is less expensive than the PS90, takes an AR-15 lower, uses the same magazines, and no plastic parts on the internals like the PS90 has. I do love my PS90, but I prefer the AR57 more now that braces are plentiful for pistols. The trigger on ARs is much better, as bullpups typically have heavier and mushy triggers. Some pluses though for the PS90: 1. The gun, with a press of a button, comes apart in two halves for easy storage in a backpack or pelican case. Very compact. 2. It is very light, well balanced, and fun to shoot 3. If you put a small red dot on it like a Fast Fire III or RMR, it is fantastic. Go compare the AR-57 Gen II pistol upper and put it on an AR pistol lower with a brace. It should cost you less than $1000 since lowers are so cheap now. The AR-57 ejects shell casings out the AR-15 magazine well. If you don't want your casings dropping down out of the gun, some people hollow out an old PMAG and let the shell casings drop inside there. That is why you see a magazine in the picture below. http://i.imgur.com/CxeZpPA.jpg View Quote I'm not a big fan of the 5.7 round so I'm more interested in the gun itself than something else that shoots the same round. |
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Not to throw you off the 90, but if you are in SE PA Tanners over by Doylestown had a small number of x95s come in at 1400 or so.
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I have a suppressed SBR'ed PS90 that shoots the lights out, I love that little machine. It is not the end-all-be-all of guns but it is unbelievably compact and flat-shooting firepower w/ essentially no recoil. The ammunition isn't as expensive as it used to be either, I would not want to be without mine. Mine sits as my ready rifle for home defense. A couple months ago I had just gotten home and both my wife and I heard a really odd noise right after our dog started barking toward the front of the house. I had my Bodyguard 380 on me but I grabbed the PS90 and my NV gear that was just about to be put back in the safe (good timing), and cleared the whole house inside and out. You can easily maneuver a suppressed PS90 w/ one hand, using the other to open doors or do other things. An AR would've been more difficult. The obscene advantage one has w/ a suppressed PS90, 50 rounds of SS198, Holosun circle dot, Surefire X300V, micro IR laser, and night vision is truly something to behold. It turned out to be nothing, but it would've taken one hell of a determined plate carrier wearing foe(s) to win that night.
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I used to live about 15 minutes from Tanner's. It is a fantastic gun store. A Tavor for $1400 is a steal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Save a few hundred more and SBR it for ten times the fun. It’s an alright fun carbine, but I could think of a lot of way better ways to spend 1k+. As an SBR it’s one of the coolest guns you can have.
Get your stamp, hacksaw the barrel, push it out with a dowel, send barrel out for proper cut/crown, push dowel out with barrel, screw on muzzle device. Too easy. Life is too short to have to justify the practicality of guns. Buying something because you enjoy it is fine. Not everything has to be done in preparation for imagined TEOTWAWKI Communist hordes. Besides, the P90 is one of the few guns made explicitly for defeating communist hordes anyway. |
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While it may have been uneducated stupidity on my part, I bought a stripped receiver (funds were tight) figured I'd get the stamp and build it up while waiting for the stamp/funds permitting.
Every part was available at a decently reasonable price (when u consider the total cost of a complete gun + barrel swap or cut/thread) EXCEPT the trigger pack. Had one on order directly from FN for over a year. Finally said fuck it and sold it and parted it out and got my $200 stamp back. Took a $100 hit overall selling it, probably could have washed if I was more patient. Left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. What if I had an actual part break and bought a complete gun? How long would I be SOL? Funny thing is about 3 weeks after I finished the part out, FN mailed me a pack. Well a FS2000 pack and then a ps90 one. Never charged my card either because I had fraud on that card 6 months before and forgot about the pack order. FN didn't even ask for the fs2k pack back when I called to tell them they a) didn't charge me and b) sent the wrong pack. Sold both for like $600 and bought a g43 I have always considered getting another. I have shot one before, FA and SA. It was fun. Ammo is reasonably priced now. Stamp times are a killjoy. But if you've got the $... why not. There are much much worse things to blow your $ on |
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I have a suppressed SBR'ed PS90 that shoots the lights out, I love that little machine. It is not the end-all-be-all of guns but it is unbelievably compact and flat-shooting firepower w/ essentially no recoil. The ammunition isn't as expensive as it used to be either, I would not want to be without mine. Mine sits as my ready rifle for home defense. A couple months ago I had just gotten home and both my wife and I heard a really odd noise right after our dog started barking toward the front of the house. I had my Bodyguard 380 on me but I grabbed the PS90 and my NV gear that was just about to be put back in the safe (good timing), and cleared the whole house inside and out. You can easily maneuver a suppressed PS90 w/ one hand, using the other to open doors or do other things. An AR would've been more difficult. The obscene advantage one has w/ a suppressed PS90, 50 rounds of SS198, Holosun circle dot, Surefire X300V, micro IR laser, and night vision is truly something to behold. It turned out to be nothing, but it would've taken one hell of a determined plate carrier wearing foe(s) to win that night. View Quote |
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Save a few hundred more and SBR it for ten times the fun. It’s an alright fun carbine, but I could think of a lot of way better ways to spend 1k+. As an SBR it’s one of the coolest guns you can have. Get your stamp, hacksaw the barrel, push it out with a dowel, send barrel out for proper cut/crown, push dowel out with barrel, screw on muzzle device. Too easy. Life is too short to have to justify the practicality of guns. Buying something because you enjoy it is fine. Not everything has to be done in preparation for imagined TEOTWAWKI Communist hordes. Besides, the P90 is one of the few guns made explicitly for defeating communist hordes anyway. View Quote |
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I like mine. Their triggers are very similar to an AUG's. I happen to like the triggers on both guns but many people do not, so, if I were you, I would try the trigger pull before you buy it. Also the inside-the-rail sights on the newer guns absolutely suck. Plan on putting an optic on it.
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I actually got to shoot one in 2004. A post sample in full auto no less. I was unimpressed for a host of reasons.
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I like mine. Their triggers are very similar to an AUG's. I happen to like the triggers on both guns but many people do not, so, if I were you, I would try the trigger pull before you buy it. Also the inside-the-rail sights on the newer guns absolutely suck. Plan on putting an optic on it. View Quote |
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I actually got to shoot one in 2004. A post sample in full auto no less. I was unimpressed for a host of reasons. View Quote The lack of recoil? The lack of muzzle climb? The light weight? The great ergonomics? The ability to dump the magazine on full auto into a silhouette at 25 yds and stay on target? The outstanding accuracy? I’ve had quite a bit of trigger time on a P90, as in several thousand rounds of trigger time. |
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If I get one i plan on going classic with a ring sight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I like mine. Their triggers are very similar to an AUG's. I happen to like the triggers on both guns but many people do not, so, if I were you, I would try the trigger pull before you buy it. Also the inside-the-rail sights on the newer guns absolutely suck. Plan on putting an optic on it. |
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Have you looked through one? I wanted one too until I looked through one, then I just put an aimpoint on it. Also, last I checked, that ring sight has been out of production for quite a while. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I like mine. Their triggers are very similar to an AUG's. I happen to like the triggers on both guns but many people do not, so, if I were you, I would try the trigger pull before you buy it. Also the inside-the-rail sights on the newer guns absolutely suck. Plan on putting an optic on it. |
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I looked through one a long time ago. I want the classic lines/shape it gives the gun. You can get new and improved ring sights. Here View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I like mine. Their triggers are very similar to an AUG's. I happen to like the triggers on both guns but many people do not, so, if I were you, I would try the trigger pull before you buy it. Also the inside-the-rail sights on the newer guns absolutely suck. Plan on putting an optic on it. |
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I have a Gen 2 trigger pack PS90 with the white circle sight. I love mine. It'll be the last gun I'll ever sell, if it comes to that.
It's fun to shoot, easy to disassemble and feels great in my hands. I didn't SBR mine, because I don't mind the standard length barrel at all. No regrets here. |
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I have both the Five Seven and the PS90.
The Five Seven is the cooler gun, truly unique. You get a much better sense of the high velocity / low recoil of the 5.7x28 cartridge. It's a true 100yd handgun, and a total blast at the range. The PS90 is cool, but really only worth it if you have the FsN already. If you just wanted a space age bullpup, I personally like the AUG more. 5.56, 42rd mags vs 50 is basically the same, and I find the ergonomics more comfortable. |
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I looked through one a long time ago. I want the classic lines/shape it gives the gun. You can get new and improved ring sights. Here View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I like mine. Their triggers are very similar to an AUG's. I happen to like the triggers on both guns but many people do not, so, if I were you, I would try the trigger pull before you buy it. Also the inside-the-rail sights on the newer guns absolutely suck. Plan on putting an optic on it. I went with the white ring because it’s what I found first, it’s not as bad as everyone makes it out to be, but it does still suck A LOT. I think most people play around with it on the couch and judge it but indoors it’s virtually invisible sometimes. Outdoors I’ve never had an issue using it. It doesn’t hinder me hitting things or enjoying it, but I’d definitely consider other options. I’ve owned both the green dot and black ring, and consider them both to be superior by a wide margin. |
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Black ring is tits but wish i could recharge the tritim oe make it brighter. I know some company came out with a battery upgrade.
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I had PS90 and FsN...I liked the PS90 much better. I sold both...I'm thinking about buying another PS90. I really like the OD green stock.
There is a guy on PAFOA selling a Gen 3...I thought about getting it, but the tritium isn't that bright and it's a black version. |
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I had PS90 and FsN...I liked the PS90 much better. I sold both...I'm thinking about buying another PS90. I really like the OD green stock. There is a guy on PAFOA selling a Gen 3...I thought about getting it, but the tritium isn't that bright and it's a black version. View Quote |
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Black ring is tits but wish i could recharge the tritim oe make it brighter. I know some company came out with a battery upgrade. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I had PS90 and FsN...I liked the PS90 much better. I sold both...I'm thinking about buying another PS90. I really like the OD green stock. There is a guy on PAFOA selling a Gen 3...I thought about getting it, but the tritium isn't that bright and it's a black version. I also prefer the Green stock. |
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Quoted: It CAN be “fixed”, a member of FNForum.net figured out how to change the tritium vial in the sight. It’s not real hard to do. Keep in mind, the Green stock has been discontinued for several years and is getting both hard to find and expensive. I also prefer the Green stock. View Quote |
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I really wanted green as well but gave up and got a black one, may get it cerakoted in the future. View Quote A thought.... When I purchased mine it was Black, so I figured there were enough Stargate SG-1 fans out there that didn’t want a Green stock. I listed my Black stock on FNForum.net as “Want to trade” - Black stock for Green stock. It took about three weeks |
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’ A thought.... When I purchased mine it was Black, so I figured there were enough Stargate SG-1 fans out there that didn’t want a Green stock. I listed my Black stock on FNForum.net as “Want to trade” - Black stock for Green stock. It took about three weeks View Quote |
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Alright you guys are great enablers. I found a "used" ps90 on Gunbroker that looks like it was hardly shot, if at all. Picked it up for $1075. Should be shipping soon.
Now I need ammo. I was going to buy from PSA, but they are out of stock. Who has the next best prices? |
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cool you got one for a good price, what kind of sights?
I have an old Zeiss Z-point on my mine which is SBR'd. I am amazed that sight is still mfg, its got drawbacks but it is got the total Eurotrash look down so its a perfect fit for the PS90. I compare it to all the PCC out there and end of day, if I was in a hard use combat situation where i would have to worry about shots past 25 yards, its no comparison to any 9mm out there... Now you need the 5.7 pistol. |
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Alright you guys are great enablers. I found a "used" ps90 on Gunbroker that looks like it was hardly shot, if at all. Picked it up for $1075. Should be shipping soon. Now I need ammo. I was going to buy from PSA, but they are out of stock. Who has the next best prices? View Quote |
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For the cheapest ammo for 5.7X28, click this link for AmmoGrab. They keep track of the best prices and link you to the sites.
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It has the crappy high rail. I want the classic p90 look, so I'll be getting a ring sight sometime.
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For the cheapest ammo for 5.7X28, click this link for AmmoGrab. They keep track of the best prices and link you to the sites. Link View Quote |
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Are people still having issues with the AE stuff or have those been worked out?
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I have a lot of rifles, and my PS90 is my favorite.
Ammo is not out of reasonable price range. Mine has an RMR mounted and it shoots where the dot is. What's not to like. 50 rounds, light, compact (even without an SBR) and easy to shoot. Mags aren't expensive, and if you buy reduced capacity mags you can take 'em apart and cut the plastic off inside to increase capacity to 50 rounds...which is what I did. Mine has been 100% reliable. I keep my PS90 in a two racket tennis case with 5 spare mags as my travel, truck, SHTF gun. I bought a 5.7 pistol as well. I don't like it as much, but it is nice to have the combination |
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