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Posted: 5/1/2020 9:33:57 PM EDT
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I've got one of the earlier ones. I don't shoot it very much, probably because the trigger is so awful. I should probably sell it and buy a newer model.
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Posted: 5/1/2020 10:26:41 PM EDT
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I've got one of the newer pistol's with 223 and 300bo barrels. Great shooter, totally reliable, everyone who shoots it wants it. I traded a LMT Piston pistol for it and couldn't be happier with that decision.
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Posted: 5/2/2020 1:54:39 PM EDT
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I also have a newer pistol with 5.56 and 300 Blackout 7.5” bbls. Love it! Also have two older rifles with 16” 5.56, 7.62x39 and 300 Blackout bbls. Had one extractor get deformed and malfunction. RA replaced it no charge...they suspected it had faulty heat treatment. Newer ones are nicer euthanized their slimmer forends, which my pistol has.
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Posted: 5/2/2020 6:21:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ken_mays: I've got one of the earlier ones. I don't shoot it very much, probably because the trigger is so awful. I should probably sell it and buy a newer model. Proprietary triggers to the XCR? As of late, been eyeing these for a while and to be honest this maybe my next rifle. |
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Posted: 5/2/2020 6:36:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar671: Proprietary triggers to the XCR? Yes |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 5:08:41 PM EDT
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I own 10 of them. Best platform on the market in my opinion.
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Posted: 5/3/2020 8:50:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ken_mays: I've got one of the earlier ones. I don't shoot it very much, probably because the trigger is so awful. I should probably sell it and buy a newer model. Why not just buy the upgraded trigger? |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 1:36:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: Proprietary triggers to the XCR? As of late, been eyeing these for a while and to be honest this maybe my next rifle. Yes, proprietary and equal to or greater than most AR match triggers. |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 12:40:47 PM EDT
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Love mine in 556 and have the 7.62x39 kit as well for it. The rifle just feels solid. Wish it was cheaper, I would own more of them.
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Posted: 5/4/2020 1:41:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoadedDrum: Why not just buy the upgraded trigger? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoadedDrum: Originally Posted By ken_mays: I've got one of the earlier ones. I don't shoot it very much, probably because the trigger is so awful. I should probably sell it and buy a newer model. Why not just buy the upgraded trigger? Because there are a lot of older parts on it that need upgrading. |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 3:13:29 PM EDT
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One of my favorite rifles. Mine is new enough to have the integral trigger guard, but not the upgraded trigger, which I purchased later. It also has quad rails, which I dislike, but I’m not quite ready to spend $500 for a bare M lock upper. They do tend to be rather front heavy with the heavier barrel, which is why I went with the light barrel for 5.56. It doesn’t balance as well as my MCX, but then none of my ARs do either. I highly recommend them.
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Posted: 5/5/2020 12:55:46 PM EDT
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Early first gen XCR non top hat firing pins were upgraded around 2009? That is a good one to have but is not needed for the rifle to function. The list of XCR upgrades are parts that have been further improved or have improved the user experience I.E. quad rail vs M-Lock, service grade vs ( now standard ) match trigger, folding tube stock vs FAST stock etc.
They remain the most developed 3rd Gen design with the most options on the market. |
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Posted: 5/5/2020 1:10:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: I know there were some issues early on. You don’t see any used ones for sale. They are still in business. Who owns one? What do you think? XCR owners tend to hang onto them. My opinion: highly favorable. Robust design overbuilt in critical areas, superb ergonomics, well made, designed to run on steel cased ammo, the only modern design I am aware of with cammed initial extraction ( like Mauser, Springield ). |
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Posted: 5/5/2020 2:34:53 PM EDT
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Own 2 and love em both, what would you like to know?
10" 556, with 9.5 300 blackout pistol. 16," 556, with 18" 6.5 Grend barrel completion. Both are incredibly accurate. |
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Posted: 5/5/2020 2:46:57 PM EDT
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Been looking at obtaining a new rifle.
I keep coming back to the XCR. I have spoken with customer service and they answered my questions. Likely going with a 16" 5.56 exposed gas block model to start with. Future: 5.56 SBR, 6.8 SPC II 16" Any advice about the starting rifle? What to order? What to stay away from? This is a recreational shooter's gun [at least for now]. |
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Posted: 5/5/2020 3:14:37 PM EDT
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I like the XCR. I have an XCR-L and an XCR-M. I was out in the desert this weekend shooting the XCR-M. It's super soft shooting.
They're a really small shop. Alex has always done right by me, though, and I like them. 
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Posted: 5/5/2020 4:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: Been looking at obtaining a new rifle. I keep coming back to the XCR. I have spoken with customer service and they answered my questions. Likely going with a 16" 5.56 exposed gas block model to start with. Future: 5.56 SBR, 6.8 SPC II 16" Any advice about the starting rifle? What to order? What to stay away from? This is a recreational shooter's gun [at least for now]. Sounds to me like you have made a great choice! Especially with SBRing in your plans. You will be happy with your xcr. Holly with customer Service, and Alex himself are great to work with. As said above, they are small shop, full of good people, and have always done right by me. I'm getting ready to order a M. |
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Posted: 5/5/2020 5:15:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By owtlaw: I own 10 of them. Best platform on the market in my opinion. Agreed. If AR's weren't dirt cheap, I would have more XCRs. My brother and I both have early rifles (sub-2000 serials). Both have upgraded firing pins (free-of-charge from RA). Bro's has the older, standard trigger, which is serviceable. I paid for the upgraded trigger, and it's the peer or superior of any AR aftermarket trigger. I used this rifle as my precision 5.56 gun for a while. .6" groups were the norm. Only swapped the 3-15x and bipod to an AR because it's a bit lighter. RA's customer service has been fantastic. The XCR is my go-to rifle. |
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Posted: 5/5/2020 5:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: Been looking at obtaining a new rifle. I keep coming back to the XCR. I have spoken with customer service and they answered my questions. Likely going with a 16" 5.56 exposed gas block model to start with. Future: 5.56 SBR, 6.8 SPC II 16" Any advice about the starting rifle? What to order? What to stay away from? This is a recreational shooter's gun [at least for now]. Read the instruction manual. Clean out the shipping oil replace with your go to lube. Load mags have fun. Naval Beaver and Kermit Zahn are the two most well know RA stocking dealers. They usually have any and all XCR parts you could want. Spare parts are more of a comfort & confidence thing as XCRs are very durable and not known as habitual parts breakers. Kermit Zahn of Wild Thang Farms (Not Wild Thangs Firearms…common error ! ) 3150 Fuller Road Emmett, Idaho 83617 208-869-1616 (cell) email: [email protected] Nate Horner a.k.a. Naval Beaver, Little Jacks Guns 6254 Dixie Rd Milton FL 32570 (503) 708-4740 (503) 708-4740 |
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Posted: 5/5/2020 5:54:15 PM EDT
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Some examples of the engineering in the XCR.
(1) The cam slot in the carrier has a long-ish straight section at the front of it. This gives the carrier time to build inertia before beginning to un lock the bolt. It also gives extra time for residual chamber pressure to drop to zero or near zero. (2) There is a caming ramp in the barrel extension for the bolt. It gives a 23:1 mechanical advantage in slow powerful initial extraction. This concept was first used in the Mauser model 1898. (3) It has a sliding T-slot extractor. It is not dependent on spring pressure to grip the case and can not slip off the rim like a pivoting extractor can. (4) It uses a fixed blade ejector with no springs to fatigue. (5) Because of the the fixed ejector the bolt body diameter can be smaller diameter this allows deep cuts in the carrier which allows the magazine feed lips to sit higher and closer to bore center line for nearly straight line feeding. (6) The few fasteners it does use are common standard grade 8 fine thread hardware readily available at Lowes, Home Depot,True Value and NAPA. (7) Every maintenance and every repair task short of replacing the barrel extension is D.I.Y. at the user level in the field. The armorers tool kit consists of a folding hex key set, a small crescent wrench, one punch and a rock. Or hammer if you have one. |
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Posted: 5/6/2020 10:42:18 AM EDT
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I’m a big fan. I have
12.5” 5.56 sbr w ACR stock 7” 300 blk Sbr w fast stock 18.6” 6.5 grendel w fast stock 12.5” 6.5 grendel pistol w acr stock / tailhook brace setup 9” 300 blk pistol w picatinny stock adapter w sba3 brace |
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Posted: 5/6/2020 1:34:53 PM EDT
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Any Micro or Mini owners?
What configuration? Caliber? Twist? |
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Posted: 5/6/2020 1:37:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By B44T: Read the instruction manual. Clean out the shipping oil replace with your go to lube. Load mags have fun. Naval Beaver and Kermit Zahn are the two most well know RA stocking dealers. They usually have any and all XCR parts you could want. Spare parts are more of a comfort & confidence thing as XCRs are very durable and not known as habitual parts breakers. Kermit Zahn of Wild Thang Farms (Not Wild Thangs Firearms…common error ! ) 3150 Fuller Road Emmett, Idaho 83617 208-869-1616 (cell) email: [email protected] Nate Horner a.k.a. Naval Beaver, Little Jacks Guns 6254 Dixie Rd Milton FL 32570 (503) 708-4740 (503) 708-4740 Do they stock barrel conversions? FAST stocks? |
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Posted: 5/6/2020 1:40:41 PM EDT
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You can order both of those directly from RA. My last caliber conversion took about 6 weeks to arrive.
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Posted: 5/6/2020 1:47:11 PM EDT
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I just ordered a barrel a few days ago. They gave me a 6 to 8 week lead time, then asked how I'd like it finished, bead blast, coated, etc.
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Posted: 5/6/2020 2:10:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kk7sm: I just ordered a barrel a few days ago. They gave me a 6 to 8 week lead time, then asked how I'd like it finished, bead blast, coated, etc. Yup fantastic to work with. |
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Posted: 5/6/2020 9:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: Do they stock barrel conversions? FAST stocks? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: Originally Posted By B44T: Read the instruction manual. Clean out the shipping oil replace with your go to lube. Load mags have fun. Naval Beaver and Kermit Zahn are the two most well know RA stocking dealers. They usually have any and all XCR parts you could want. Spare parts are more of a comfort & confidence thing as XCRs are very durable and not known as habitual parts breakers. Kermit Zahn of Wild Thang Farms (Not Wild Thangs Firearms…common error ! ) 3150 Fuller Road Emmett, Idaho 83617 208-869-1616 (cell) email: [email protected] Nate Horner a.k.a. Naval Beaver, Little Jacks Guns 6254 Dixie Rd Milton FL 32570 (503) 708-4740 (503) 708-4740 Do they stock barrel conversions? FAST stocks? Usually. Also Nate sometimes but not always has used/trade in/take off items on hand. |
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Posted: 5/8/2020 8:51:06 PM EDT
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So, @B44T, I noticed that my XCR broke its hammer pin retainer clip (cotter pin looking part). I'm thinking about ordering a Type 2 trigger and hammer; can I just swap in the Type 2 hammer, trigger, and disco for my old parts, or are there additional parts needed?
Thanks! |
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Posted: 5/8/2020 9:51:16 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ken_mays: So, @B44T, I noticed that my XCR broke its hammer pin retainer clip (cotter pin looking part). I'm thinking about ordering a Type 2 trigger and hammer; can I just swap in the Type 2 hammer, trigger, and disco for my old parts, or are there additional parts needed? Thanks! The Competition aka upgraded aka current factory standard FCG is a drop in. ETA: the few roll pins and clips that the XCR uses are industrial standard hardware as are the few screws it uses. They can be purchased inexpensively at any industrial supply, fastener supply house, well stocked hardware stores and most NAPA class of auto parts stores. |
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Posted: 5/9/2020 12:43:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2020 1:45:07 PM EDT
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Ordering Monday from one of the mentioned dealers in Florida.
Going with a different color than that offered standard. Waiting on a sample that hopefully will be here Monday. Thanks for the info from everyone. Maybe keep this thread alive from time to time. Check in with your XCR expertise, story, or other. 
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Posted: 5/9/2020 1:45:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gr8Santini: They make nice sbrs https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/23396/7FF52291-4E5A-4305-A781-A22B096D9E60_jpe-1408136.JPG An SBR will be in my future, thanks for the photo. Details of your gun? barrel, caliber, etc? |
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Posted: 5/9/2020 2:48:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: An SBR will be in my future, thanks for the photo. Details of your gun? barrel, caliber, etc? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: Originally Posted By Gr8Santini: They make nice sbrs https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/23396/7FF52291-4E5A-4305-A781-A22B096D9E60_jpe-1408136.JPG An SBR will be in my future, thanks for the photo. Details of your gun? barrel, caliber, etc? Thanks. 300 blk. 7.5” barrel. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:31:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2020 9:31:32 PM EDT
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Trying to decide whether or not to sell/trade my MCX Noctis for one. I haven't warmed up to the Sig like I'd hoped.
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Posted: 5/12/2020 8:56:53 AM EDT
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Ordered - Standard, 5.56. 16" barrel, keymod, fast stock
Really like seeing the photos of your XCR. If you would care to share a photo, please do. |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 9:58:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2020 2:04:02 PM EDT
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Because If this thread I just bought one in 762x39.
I had one in 556, only thing I didn’t like was charging handle on left side. Always missed it, was when they first cane out. Next purchase will be fast stock and 6.8 conversion |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 2:19:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy: Because If this thread I just bought one in 762x39. I had one in 556, only thing I didn’t like was charging handle on left side. Always missed it, was when they first cane out. Next purchase will be fast stock and 6.8 conversion Nice!!! |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:28:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgwlower: How my pistol is set up now https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/43501/KIMG2020_JPG-1412389.JPG My Grendels first kill https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/43501/KIMG1745_JPG-1412383.JPG Awesome pistol! |
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Posted: 5/16/2020 4:56:31 PM EDT
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Whats the cheapest way to get a FAST stock or brace and
A 6.8 conversion? |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 11:06:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy: Whats the cheapest way to get a FAST stock or brace and A 6.8 conversion? For the stock, try reaching out to navalbeaver on xcrforum..Nate tends to have those parts. For the conversion, call Holly at robarm, and order what you would prefer. She will walk you through the process. Takes about 6 weeks for a new conversion, as long as it is of normal lengths . They can do custom lengths, but the take longer. My pistol above is a 10" barrel, as i wanted to hand onto the most velocity possible, while still keeping the gas block buried under neath a standard hand guard. 9.5 is their standard length--but the velocity drop is significant, and with 11.5 it becomes an exposed gas block. Alex and Holly were phenomenal working with me on getting what I wanted, but it took an extra couple of weeks. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 11:07:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gr8Santini: Awesome pistol! Thanks Bud! I dig your little grendel. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 8:04:37 AM EDT
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I've been wanting an XCR for awhile now, just haven't been willing to put the money down on it yet. Reading this thread has got me leaning towards it again. I really just want one to add to the collection, but I read an interesting thread on the XCR forum about the XCR being a go to war gun. That thread ran from 2011 to December 2018. I'd think a better way to ask that is would it make a good SHTF rifle?
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Posted: 5/20/2020 8:36:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgwlower: Sounds to me like you have made a great choice! Especially with SBRing in your plans. You will be happy with your xcr. Holly with customer Service, and Alex himself are great to work with. As said above, they are small shop, full of good people, and have always done right by me. I'm getting ready to order a M. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgwlower: Originally Posted By SperlingPE: Been looking at obtaining a new rifle. I keep coming back to the XCR. I have spoken with customer service and they answered my questions. Likely going with a 16" 5.56 exposed gas block model to start with. Future: 5.56 SBR, 6.8 SPC II 16" Any advice about the starting rifle? What to order? What to stay away from? This is a recreational shooter's gun [at least for now]. Sounds to me like you have made a great choice! Especially with SBRing in your plans. You will be happy with your xcr. Holly with customer Service, and Alex himself are great to work with. As said above, they are small shop, full of good people, and have always done right by me. I'm getting ready to order a M. Unless you have a M96…  |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 9:40:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QCMGR: Unless you have a M96… That is being addressed, they are restarting that line to support past owners, as well as release a small amount of m96's. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 9:52:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tripleoption: I've been wanting an XCR for awhile now, just haven't been willing to put the money down on it yet. Reading this thread has got me leaning towards it again. I really just want one to add to the collection, but I read an interesting thread on the XCR forum about the XCR being a go to war gun. That thread ran from 2011 to December 2018. I'd think a better way to ask that is would it make a good SHTF rifle? In my opinion, yes, there is very little that can break on it, and all of the smaller parts a common screws and such can be found at automotive stores. The one mechanical issue I have had with mine was a helicoil backing out, I was able to fix it myself, but because it was under warranty I contacted ROBARM, they immediately sent me a return label, and had it back to me in 9 days--that was with shipping from the east coast to UT and back. They have got them boringly reliable, and accurate as hell. I trust both of mine. I give them a lot of credit. The initial XCR was developed for the SCAR program, and due to Government BS, they were not even allowed to compete. That would have killed most small manufacturer gun companies, but Alex has stayed open, and has continued to endlessly develop the XCR platform to achieve better accuracy, and better reliability, while still being innovative and listening to customer requests. They are a very small shop, and I feel that people don't keep that in mind with working with the XCR, things can take longer to develop, or to complete. I mean how often will the owner of a gun manufacturer call you a 7 pm at night, to talk with you about your pistol order, to make sure you have everything you want to achieve with your firearm, because Alex called me directly to do nothing more than discuss barrel length with me. Unfortunately Canada's recent bullshit is going to hurt their business as well, the XCR was one of the last unrestricted rifles up there, and had a big following. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 11:57:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgwlower: In my opinion, yes, there is very little that can break on it, and all of the smaller parts a common screws and such can be found at automotive stores. The one mechanical issue I have had with mine was a helicoil backing out, I was able to fix it myself, but because it was under warranty I contacted ROBARM, they immediately sent me a return label, and had it back to me in 9 days--that was with shipping from the east coast to UT and back. They have got them boringly reliable, and accurate as hell. I trust both of mine. I give them a lot of credit. The initial XCR was developed for the SCAR program, and due to Government BS, they were not even allowed to compete. That would have killed most small manufacturer gun companies, but Alex has stayed open, and has continued to endlessly develop the XCR platform to achieve better accuracy, and better reliability, while still being innovative and listening to customer requests. They are a very small shop, and I feel that people don't keep that in mind with working with the XCR, things can take longer to develop, or to complete. I mean how often will the owner of a gun manufacturer call you a 7 pm at night, to talk with you about your pistol order, to make sure you have everything you want to achieve with your firearm, because Alex called me directly to do nothing more than discuss barrel length with me. Unfortunately Canada's recent bullshit is going to hurt their business as well, the XCR was one of the last unrestricted rifles up there, and had a big following. From what I'm hearing their customer service has gotten a lot better over the years. There seemed to be lots of horror stories when it first came out, which was one reason I didn't get one. Of course, I was basing it on what I was seeing online, squeaky wheel gets the grease, all that. I wasn't sure about support or service. They actually have conversions and support the rifle. It seems to have out ACR'd the ACR. I'm definitely leaning more and more towards one. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:01:15 PM EDT
[#49]
I'd like an earlier model with the updated parts.
 It is the spiritual successor to the Daewoo K2. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:09:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: I'd like an earlier model with the updated parts. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/En-Xcr_cqb.PNG/1200px-En-Xcr_cqb.PNG It is the spiritual successor to the Daewoo K2. Early ones are on GB for good prices. some of them have updated parts. |
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