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10/30/2020 2:42:12 PM
Posted: 11/21/2020 1:49:50 PM EST
I want a laser and Illuminator.  Thinking the Steiner dbal-I2?  

Can anyone guide me on this as I don’t have the budget for a Mawl.  

Thanks!
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 1:53:34 PM EST
I’ve had a few DBAL I2 9007s. They’re pretty good for what they are, especially for the price. You just have to zero them in the dark which kinda sucks
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 2:21:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2020 2:27:13 PM EST by MunnyShot]
If you want the reach capability of a MAWL get a D2. If it's for a 75 yard max, very dark AO or you're trying to have a very low signature, then a 9007 is a great choice.
I had a few of them and never had a problem. To zero them simply over lap it to your already zeroed RDS at night to the furthest distance you can see all without firing a shot.
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 2:37:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By joker2041:
I want a laser and Illuminator.  Thinking the Steiner dbal-I2?  

Can anyone guide me on this as I don’t have the budget for a Mawl.  

Thanks!


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Good to know!  When are you going to announce what you’re doing for Black Friday?
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 2:49:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tlandoe07:
I’ve had a few DBAL I2 9007s. They’re pretty good for what they are, especially for the price. You just have to zero them in the dark which kinda sucks
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That’s half the charm right there! The other half is making sure you remember to keep a positive load on the adjusters - In the dark.

Link Posted: 11/21/2020 2:50:18 PM EST
I'll get hated on but for the money holosun is hard to beat. I only use them and mawls. The dbals are finicky and output is meh for over 1k worth of hardware and the atipalc is a joke at that price. I'd go holosun, persts, mawl in order of budget.
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 3:15:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mad_Max1611:
I'll get hated on but for the money holosun is hard to beat. I only use them and mawls. The dbals are finicky and output is meh for over 1k worth of hardware and the atipalc is a joke at that price. I'd go holosun, persts, mawl in order of budget.
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What model holosun?
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 3:26:51 PM EST
For me, it would be (if I couldn’t get a full powered unit):

1.  MAWL
2.  DBAL D2
3.  DBAL A3 + strong IR illum
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 4:02:51 PM EST
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For me, it would be (if I couldn’t get a full powered unit):

1.  MAWL
2.  DBAL D2
3.  DBAL A3 + strong IR illum
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Holy shit you’re alive! Also mirrors my thoughts almost exactly. I’m not a huge fan of the MAWL but it is the best civi unit I’ve used. The D2 is a huge pig, otherwise that would be my top civi choice
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 4:03:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mad_Max1611:
I'll get hated on but for the money holosun is hard to beat. I only use them and mawls. The dbals are finicky and output is meh for over 1k worth of hardware and the atipalc is a joke at that price. I'd go holosun, persts, mawl in order of budget.
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Eh, the single spectrum I2 is pretty decent. I got mine for like $625 from Botach
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 4:03:27 PM EST
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Ls321g would be my pick for you. Sub1k, has slaved lasers and illuminator so easy to sight in, on the fly illuminator adjustment knob in the back. I compared it to my mawl in a video. Some will knock it for low illumination but unless you're running a mawl or a full power you aren't getting that anyways and in some cases you cant refocus it (atipalc, some dbals). The D2 is good but it's huge and the illuminator is just a flashlight built in in reality.
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Edit: I'll also add that the holosun is basically if not the same ( not 100% sure but it's pretty obvious) as the triad laser unit. That unit is used by a lot of law enforcement including British ctsfos
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 4:34:08 PM EST
DBAL-I2 9007 with a stand-alone illuminator.  It’s the closest thing I’ve found that can be somewhat comparable in performance to the MAWL.  Threw together a video that compares a few options for the Arisaka EX IR thread over in the AR forum.

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Link Posted: 11/21/2020 4:34:57 PM EST
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8LTAUBLRdDg

ZENITCO PERST-3 Vs STEINER DBAL-D2
That’s what I’d pick if I couldn’t afford a mawl and didn’t want to buy grey market full power lasers. ^
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 4:53:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
DBAL-I2 9007 with a stand-alone illuminator.  It’s the closest thing I’ve found that can be somewhat comparable in performance to the MAWL.  Threw together a video that compares a few options for the Arisaka EX IR thread over in the AR forum.

(Set your YouTube resolution settings to max to prevent the NV videos from being too pixelated.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53u22-Rl4yI
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Dam great video 🙏
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 11:18:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
DBAL-I2 9007 with a stand-alone illuminator.  It’s the closest thing I’ve found that can be somewhat comparable in performance to the MAWL.  Threw together a video that compares a few options for the Arisaka EX IR thread over in the AR forum.

(Set your YouTube resolution settings to max to prevent the NV videos from being too pixelated.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53u22-Rl4yI
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Excellent video!  Which power Arisaka EX IR do you have?  250mw or 700mw?

Edit: Nevermind, it says 250 in the title!
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 11:23:20 PM EST
Happy with my perst 4. buddies perst 3 has been solid so far as well. shipping sucks ass and makes china seem fast, but their CS seems to be at least as good as the high dollar low power USA units.
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 11:27:21 PM EST
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Excellent video!  Which power Arisaka EX IR do you have?  250mw or 700mw?
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
DBAL-I2 9007 with a stand-alone illuminator.  It’s the closest thing I’ve found that can be somewhat comparable in performance to the MAWL.  Threw together a video that compares a few options for the Arisaka EX IR thread over in the AR forum.

(Set your YouTube resolution settings to max to prevent the NV videos from being too pixelated.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53u22-Rl4yI


Excellent video!  Which power Arisaka EX IR do you have?  250mw or 700mw?


EX IR 250.  Plan to pick up a 700 here shortly to compare.
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 11:27:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
DBAL-I2 9007 with a stand-alone illuminator.  It’s the closest thing I’ve found that can be somewhat comparable in performance to the MAWL.  Threw together a video that compares a few options for the Arisaka EX IR thread over in the AR forum.

(Set your YouTube resolution settings to max to prevent the NV videos from being too pixelated.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53u22-Rl4yI
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Really good video. I need to pick one of those up. Maybe more
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:


EX IR 250.  Plan to pick up a 700 here shortly to compare.
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Thank you.  Would love to see that comparison.  I am at the same crossroads as you.  I don't want to outfit both of my rifles with MAWLs due to price and look for better IR illumination for my i2.  I like that the 250mw didn't autogate the tubes that much.  Would be interested in seeing if the 700mw does the same.
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EX IR 250.  Plan to pick up a 700 here shortly to compare.
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Originally Posted By itzjere:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
DBAL-I2 9007 with a stand-alone illuminator.  It’s the closest thing I’ve found that can be somewhat comparable in performance to the MAWL.  Threw together a video that compares a few options for the Arisaka EX IR thread over in the AR forum.

(Set your YouTube resolution settings to max to prevent the NV videos from being too pixelated.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53u22-Rl4yI


Excellent video!  Which power Arisaka EX IR do you have?  250mw or 700mw?


EX IR 250.  Plan to pick up a 700 here shortly to compare.

How are you activating the white light?
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 12:03:12 AM EST
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How are you activating the white light?
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Originally Posted By itzjere:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
DBAL-I2 9007 with a stand-alone illuminator.  It’s the closest thing I’ve found that can be somewhat comparable in performance to the MAWL.  Threw together a video that compares a few options for the Arisaka EX IR thread over in the AR forum.

(Set your YouTube resolution settings to max to prevent the NV videos from being too pixelated.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53u22-Rl4yI


Excellent video!  Which power Arisaka EX IR do you have?  250mw or 700mw?


EX IR 250.  Plan to pick up a 700 here shortly to compare.

How are you activating the white light?


Onboard fire button with my thumb overtop the TAPS switch.  Most of my rifles are setup with clicky tailcaps and the light at 1 o’clock.  May eventually add a tape switch.
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 1:25:31 AM EST
i have a ls221g and like it. i kindof want a le321g next. but for that money i could get a perst4 and death star that shit lol
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 1:36:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2020 1:43:15 AM EST by MunnyShot]
The biggest down fall of having a supplemental high power illuminator is that the laser maybe off to the side/top/bottom or any of the combinations. The Luna LN-ElIR-3 does have an adjustable beam and is an absolute Death Star planet destroyer especially if the filter happens to fall out of it after giving it a good field strip/cleaning of course . @Lowdown3 knows more than I do about them and I'm sure he could shed some excuse the pun "light or IR light" on the adjustability/capability of the Luna.
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 7:36:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
DBAL-I2 9007 with a stand-alone illuminator.  It’s the closest thing I’ve found that can be somewhat comparable in performance to the MAWL.  Threw together a video that compares a few options for the Arisaka EX IR thread over in the AR forum.

(Set your YouTube resolution settings to max to prevent the NV videos from being too pixelated.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53u22-Rl4yI
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i have a 9007 that i've been thinking needs a dual 'saka white/ir setup with properly arranged switches.

Thoughts confirmed!

i'll trust first person view, but it didn't look like it was giving up much to the mawl and 2 buttons are simple :D
nice vid
Link Posted: 11/23/2020 1:18:29 AM EST
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Excellent video!  Which power Arisaka EX IR do you have?  250mw or 700mw?

Edit: Nevermind, it says 250 in the title!
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
DBAL-I2 9007 with a stand-alone illuminator.  It’s the closest thing I’ve found that can be somewhat comparable in performance to the MAWL.  Threw together a video that compares a few options for the Arisaka EX IR thread over in the AR forum.

(Set your YouTube resolution settings to max to prevent the NV videos from being too pixelated.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53u22-Rl4yI


Excellent video!  Which power Arisaka EX IR do you have?  250mw or 700mw?

Edit: Nevermind, it says 250 in the title!


I wonder if the 700mw gates down like the modlite?

from the video the arisaka looked more user-friendly.
Link Posted: 11/23/2020 11:46:26 AM EST
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I wonder if the 700mw gates down like the modlite?

from the video the arisaka looked more user-friendly.
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Only one way to find out :)
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