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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:06:07 PM EDT
[#1]
Have you looked at the Beretta 1301?
Seems to be the best reviewed go to tactical shotguns, has a ton of aftermarket, and a great reputation. Aridus Industries is really building up the after market. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:10:36 PM EDT
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Have you looked at the Beretta 1301? Seems to be the best reviewed go to tactical shotguns, has a ton of aftermarket, and a great reputation. Aridus Industries is really building up the after market. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:33:16 PM EDT
[#3]
OP: I want the best, but I'm not willing to pay for it.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:37:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have seen a few things about them. Are they similar to the Benelli M4? I think Beretta owns Benelli, or other way around I've heard and read nothing but good things about the 1301 as a fighting shotgun. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:43:19 PM EDT
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I can’t say a bad thing about my Versamax Tactical. I’ve run everything from cheap birdshot to 3” slugs and never had one hiccup.
I’m generally not a big semiauto shotgun fan (prefer pump shotguns) but I got the Tactical for 3gun. I like it so much that I recently bought a Competition Tactical, too. I’d trust my Tactical in a self defense shotgun role. My only hesitation is that I don’t have the muscle memory (yet) with it like I do with an 870. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:55:17 PM EDT
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Go to a well stocked gun store. Buy used. Pick the one you want. Make it into what you want.
I would say Remington has the best aftermarket selection, but I haven’t looked in several years. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:11:38 PM EDT
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I'm sold on Benelli M2.
12 and 20, and neither has ever not performed. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:41:42 PM EDT
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The Beretta 1301 is a fantastic semi auto. It in its counterpart Benelli M4 were the only two semi autos that could survive daily rental use at the iindoor range I previously worked out
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:42:53 PM EDT
[#9]
Remington 11-87
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:49:51 PM EDT
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The Beretta 1301 is a fantastic semi auto. It in its counterpart Benelli M4 were the only two semi autos that could survive daily rental use at the iindoor range I previously worked out |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What was available for rent? Hell just for example we would get aks from Century and we would crack trunnions usually at the six-month mark resulting in them replacing the entire gun. The 1301’s and Benelli M4’s we ran were flawless |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:05:49 PM EDT
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Interesting. Thanks for the info.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:10:51 PM EDT
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I can’t say a bad thing about my Versamax Tactical. I’ve run everything from cheap birdshot to 3” slugs and never had one hiccup. I’m generally not a big semiauto shotgun fan (prefer pump shotguns) but I got the Tactical for 3gun. I like it so much that I recently bought a Competition Tactical, too. I’d trust my Tactical in a self defense shotgun role. My only hesitation is that I don’t have the muscle memory (yet) with it like I do with an 870. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 10:53:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We tried Remington 1100s and 1187s. Just for shits and grins we also tried a few of the Turkish semi’s. To be honest any gun that entered our range program and survive one year was considered a success. Most guns would fail at least 1 to 2 times in that year. We definitely were hard on them we would run them put them away dirty only cleaning them as they started to get sluggish. But with 150 rental guns and 30 liens in more business that we can handle we did what was necessary. Hell just for example we would get aks from Century and we would crack trunnions usually at the six-month mark resulting in them replacing the entire gun. The 1301’s and Benelli M4’s we ran were flawless I may be mistaken but, I believe the Girsan shot guns are a clone of the Benelli M2 inertial system. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 10:59:18 PM EDT
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Semi 12ga should never be judged on cycling that 5 bucks a box skeet or dove load. Keep above 1oz and 1200fps. Any thing lighter and slower is just weak!
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Posted: 11/1/2018 11:25:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did the Turkish guns run and, what ones were they? What failed and was it fixable? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 11:31:31 PM EDT
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Have you looked at the Beretta 1301? Seems to be the best reviewed go to tactical shotguns, has a ton of aftermarket, and a great reputation. Aridus Industries is really building up the after market. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 11:45:30 PM EDT
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I would get the Beretta 1301. It's a great shotgun and is very reliable. It cycles everything I have shot through it including the cheap Walmart stuff, which causes problems in most other semi guns. The aftermarket for it is great for it too. I don't think that you can beat it for the price. The SLP is great too, just make sure you know what piston is in it.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 11:49:15 PM EDT
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Benelli M1
Benelli M2 Stoeger M3000 Beretta 1301 Friends don't let friends buy the Sometimes Loads Properly (SLP) I am sure the VersaMax has improved a lot... but I shot too many 3-gun competitions where Remington put them out as a stage gun, and they could not keep them running. Really turned me off. You can find M2's pretty cheap, and M1's for really good deals. There is very little good reason to buy anything else. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 12:12:06 AM EDT
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Semi 12ga should never be judged on cycling that 5 bucks a box skeet or dove load. Keep above 1oz and 1200fps. Any thing lighter and slower is just weak! |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 12:17:29 AM EDT
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My M4 has no problem digesting the cheapest and lightest loads and hasn’t since the first ~100 or so rounds. Why shouldn’t inferior shotguns be held to the same standard? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Semi 12ga should never be judged on cycling that 5 bucks a box skeet or dove load. Keep above 1oz and 1200fps. Any thing lighter and slower is just weak! Now, my M1 will run any of those cheap light loads, however, it has been tweaked (lightened bolt, reduced power action spring) in order to accommodate that. Some M1's/M2's will eat the cheap lower power 1oz loads like candy, and some won't. They all have no problem shooting warmer 1oz loads or anything in 1-1/8 oz. I would not degrade an M2 if it occasionally choked on those - I'd simply tweek it. LOTS of people have reported problems with the Benelli M4 and cheap 1oz loads. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 12:26:43 AM EDT
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Some shotguns are insanely reliable, but they do have their ammunition requirements to meet that. You can download all ammo until eventually all guns will choke. Now, my M1 will run any of those cheap light loads, however, it has been tweaked (lightened bolt, reduced power action spring) in order to accommodate that. Some M1's/M2's will eat the cheap lower power 1oz loads like candy, and some won't. They all have no problem shooting warmer 1oz loads or anything in 1-1/8 oz. I would not degrade an M2 if it occasionally choked on those - I'd simply tweek it. LOTS of people have reported problems with the Benelli M4 and cheap 1oz loads. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Semi 12ga should never be judged on cycling that 5 bucks a box skeet or dove load. Keep above 1oz and 1200fps. Any thing lighter and slower is just weak! Now, my M1 will run any of those cheap light loads, however, it has been tweaked (lightened bolt, reduced power action spring) in order to accommodate that. Some M1's/M2's will eat the cheap lower power 1oz loads like candy, and some won't. They all have no problem shooting warmer 1oz loads or anything in 1-1/8 oz. I would not degrade an M2 if it occasionally choked on those - I'd simply tweek it. LOTS of people have reported problems with the Benelli M4 and cheap 1oz loads. I love my 1100’s they just run and run. When we were selling M2’s we had good luck with them. I’ve heard good things about the beretta but don’t have any firsthand experience. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 12:33:40 AM EDT
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I have a Benelli M1 Super 90 that has a LOT of rounds through it. Slugs, heavy loads, Walmart trap loads. I don’t ever remember it choking.
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Posted: 11/2/2018 1:08:17 AM EDT
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Remington 11-87 |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 1:11:45 AM EDT
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M1 or M2. Next question.
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Posted: 11/2/2018 1:11:52 AM EDT
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I have an 11-87, and a Beretta. The Beretta is in a different league entirely, in every way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Remington 11-87 |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 5:20:41 AM EDT
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Design wise, I don't think the 1301 is related the the Benelli M series at all. I've heard and read nothing but good things about the 1301 as a fighting shotgun. The 1301 is always having design issues and Beretta is constantly updating it to fix it. Maybe by gen 4 or so it will be as good as an M1 or M2. OP, id recommend and M2 SBS. The only thing you really give up is 2 rounds. Get the carrier milled for ghost loading and youre gaining 1 rd back. I strongly favor 14" shotguns over longer versions. The m1 and m2 are the only guns id recommend to you, since the m4 is out. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 10:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The rotating bolt design is where the similarity ends. The 1301 is always having design issues and Beretta is constantly updating it to fix it. Maybe by gen 4 or so it will be as good as an M1 or M2. OP, id recommend and M2 SBS. The only thing you really give up is 2 rounds. Get the carrier milled for ghost loading and youre gaining 1 rd back. I strongly favor 14" shotguns over longer versions. The m1 and m2 are the only guns id recommend to you, since the m4 is out. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 10:54:49 PM EDT
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1301 is the answer of an M4 is out of reach. However, plenty of M4’s lightly used in the $1400 range...which could probably be had for $1200.
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Posted: 11/2/2018 11:45:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What design issues? -Mag tube gets a groove worn in it where the action slides against it. -Shell dump (fixed with gen 2) -Trigger assembly rotates around pin and causes feed issues is the latest problem. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:41:09 AM EDT
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I strongly favor 14" shotguns over longer versions.  DSC_1680-M2 Short Long by FredMan, on Flickr
 DSC_1688-M2 SBS by FredMan, on Flickr
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Posted: 11/3/2018 12:35:46 PM EDT
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Thanks guys. I'll try for a 1301, newer version with chokes, or an M2 both Tactical models.
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Posted: 11/3/2018 12:50:07 PM EDT
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https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1701/25702811811_2790282a4b_c.jpgDSC_1688-M2 SBS by FredMan, on Flickr |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 1:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about 12.75"? https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1712/25797894605_92ce6f03ca_c.jpgDSC_1680-M2 Short Long by FredMan, on Flickr https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1701/25702811811_2790282a4b_c.jpgDSC_1688-M2 SBS by FredMan, on Flickr I agree with previous poster that the SBS needs a +1 |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 1:17:55 PM EDT
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I'm sold on Benelli M2. 12 and 20, and neither has ever not performed. |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 1:24:43 PM EDT
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Benelli M1 super 90
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Posted: 11/3/2018 9:32:14 PM EDT
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Benelli M1 or M2
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Posted: 11/4/2018 9:26:06 AM EDT
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Older Browning A5, but I'm just weird like that.
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Posted: 11/4/2018 12:00:55 PM EDT
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This is what I have. It's been 100% and the size/capacity is just right. The only mods I've done is install a bigger bolt handle and to add the factory tri-rail to the mag tube to hang a light.
FN SLP 18" https://fnamerica.com/products/shotguns/fn-slp/  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 8:38:10 PM EDT
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Is the 11-87 reliable? |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 9:40:54 PM EDT
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I had an 1100 and currently own an 11-87. Both have been completely reliable. I've done several 250-300 round days shooting casual clays with my sons (passing the one 11-87 back and forth) without a hiccup. Also, the local trap/skeet range has several 1100 rentals that see a lot of use...bluing is worn and stocks are dinged up but they just keep chugging along. I do keep my guns clean and change the O-ring every so often even though they're likely fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is the 11-87 reliable? |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 9:44:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That thing is BEGGING for a Nordic +1 |
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Posted: 11/5/2018 12:42:03 AM EDT
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Is the 11-87 reliable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Remington 11-87 Cleaning the Beretta is MUCH less work. Berettas aren't dependent on a wear-item o-ring for function. They also don't foul up the outside of the magazine tube. They're not sensitive to whether you've cleaned the piston. My Beretta is lighter. It looks better. The 11-87 is definitely a decent gun, but Berettas are just better... they sweated all the little details a lot more than Remington. |
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Posted: 11/5/2018 8:30:53 AM EDT
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Are they similar to the Benelli M4? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Are they similar to the Benelli M4? I think Beretta owns Benelli, or other way around One of my 1301's: 
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Posted: 11/5/2018 8:32:53 AM EDT
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My experience as well but I was asking him specifically because he said the Beretta was in a different class in a bunch of ways and I was wondering if reliability was one of them. In my experience the 1100's run and run. Quote HistoryQuoted:
My experience as well but I was asking him specifically because he said the Beretta was in a different class in a bunch of ways and I was wondering if reliability was one of them. In my experience the 1100's run and run. Quoted: Mostly. Malfunctions are rare with it. But they're non-existent in my Beretta. Cleaning the Beretta is MUCH less work. Berettas aren't dependent on a wear-item o-ring for function. They also don't foul up the outside of the magazine tube. They're not sensitive to whether you've cleaned the piston. My Beretta is lighter. It looks better. The 11-87 is definitely a decent gun, but Berettas are just better... they sweated all the little details a lot more than Remington. The 1301 is still based on a sporting design that was intended to produce a shotgun that could shoot hundreds of shells per day to kill doves in South America. |
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Posted: 11/5/2018 10:31:17 AM EDT
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My M1S90 has been 100% with everything I've put in it. Most of the shells have been light loads and no issues even with a shell holder installed on the receiver.
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Posted: 11/5/2018 12:43:21 PM EDT
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Not really. Different system design, different construction. The Benelli M4 receiver is made entirely of steel. The 1301 uses anodized aluminum. Etc. If money is a concern, a used M1 or M2 is where it's at. They're extremely reliable. You'll trade a decreased risk of parts breakage for a little extra recoil. I love my M1 Entry.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/5/2018 1:39:16 PM EDT
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Not to hijack This Thread but I had a question with respect to the M1 S90.
My particular shotgun was sold to me by a dealer with a pistol grip stock and an extended magazine tube. At some point on this website everyone was saying that it was an illegal configuration because of 922r. Has this question ever been definitively answered? Can I reinstall the extended magazine tube on my pistol grip Benelli M1 S90? |
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Posted: 11/5/2018 3:08:44 PM EDT
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Has this question ever been definitively answered? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Has this question ever been definitively answered? If your gun has never fallen under the 925 exemption then yes, it is still subject to 922(r) but see my linked post (and that whole thread) for further. Can I reinstall the extended magazine tube on my pistol grip Benelli M1 S90? Ironically, if subject to 922(r) and someone else assembled it illegally, you could've left it installed. 
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Posted: 11/5/2018 3:17:20 PM EDT
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Ironically, if subject to 922(r) and someone else assembled it illegally, you could've left it installed. |
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