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Posted: 1/8/2021 10:53:58 PM EDT
Craps getting bonkers, I want nods now.
 First place I looked was TNVC because they seem like good people around here, but the lead time was off putting. Are the gen 3 Trybe pvs14s at optics planet worth the $2700 or should I be looking elsewhere? For context I am a white collar dude non mil non leo, just want wizard eyes to see what's happening around the farm at night just in case. https://www.opticsplanet.com/trybe-optics-gen2-and-gen3-pvs-14-night-vision-monocular.html?_iv_code=TRO-NV-TRDPVS14-TRYBEPVS14G I also need a helmet and mount. Willing to go up to 6k-7k on monocular and helmet can maybe go more if I take a little out of rainy day money. |
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Posted: 1/8/2021 11:05:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Craps getting bonkers, I want nods now. First place I looked was TNVC because they seem like good people around here, but the lead time was off putting. Are the gen 3 Trybe pvs14s at optics planet worth the $2700 or should I be looking elsewhere? For context I am a white collar dude non mil non leo, just want wizard eyes to see what's happening around the farm at night just in case. https://www.opticsplanet.com/trybe-optics-gen2-and-gen3-pvs-14-night-vision-monocular.html?_iv_code=TRO-NV-TRDPVS14-TRYBEPVS14G I also need a helmet and mount. Willing to go up to 6k-7k on monocular and helmet can maybe go more if I take a little out of rainy day money. Thanks for consideration, the demand for our NV as of late has been surreal since early last year. The daily amount of demand has not stopped. L3 especially with their tubes cannot get anyone (even with our massive PO's in the system) and cannot produce enough. This mainly due to Mil contract tubes which ours come from has had a massive uptick in Mil orders. Then add the 10 months of massive commerical orders equals a perfect back order storm. Feel free to PM me here, be glad to talk NODS and educate the best we can even though you may be ordering somewhere else. We're always very happy to educate first and foremost to get you the tools for your NV tool box.  |
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Posted: 1/8/2021 11:14:30 PM EDT
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The Trybe PVS14 use XLS tubes just like everyone else and are actually in stock and OP offers free returns and they pay for the return shipping, so take that for what you will.
If you chat with with them you can usually get a pretty good discount as well, usually around $500-$1000. YMMV though! |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 12:15:20 AM EDT
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Other vendors here on ARF to check out that may have NV items in stock: N-Vision optics, JRHEnterprises, Night Goggles, Ultimate night vision. Also some offer an ARF discount.
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Posted: 1/9/2021 1:04:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Other vendors here on ARF to check out that may have NV items in stock: N-Vision optics, JRHEnterprises, Night Goggles, Ultimate night vision. Also some offer an ARF discount. +100 Spend your money with a night vision specialist and someone who supports the NV community and not some large online retailer. If you need support the NV specialist has the equipment and know-how to properly take care of you. |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 12:11:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Other vendors here on ARF to check out that may have NV items in stock: N-Vision optics, JRHEnterprises, Night Goggles, Ultimate night vision. Also some offer an ARF discount. Thanks I ended up grabbing an in stock pvs14 from N-Vision optics, I honestly only every browsed TNVC so I had no idea any of those other vendors even existed. This is the one I went with. Now I need a helmet. 
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Posted: 1/9/2021 2:53:20 PM EDT
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I purchased a Trybe gen 3 XLS white phosphor tube the other day in a private sale. Works great. Paid under $3k. Zero blems. 0.3 EBI. But not the greatest FOM.
Works amazing, couldn’t be happier. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 3:03:51 AM EDT
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i just ordered a Trybe gen3 yesterday, we'll see what happens?
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Posted: 1/10/2021 3:06:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you chat with with them you can usually get a pretty good discount as well, usually around $500-$1000. YMMV though! If you chat with the folks at Optics Planet you can get discounts? |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 3:10:25 AM EDT
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Good choice on NVision. I am very happy with them and you will have a well build 14 asap.
Not to bum anyone out waiting on trybe tubes, but "hand select" grade tubes I have seen posted had mediocre specs eg snr 26 with multiple zone 2 spots to top it off. Pretty poor stuff for the price. Their wp xls tubes are a rip off in particular.... The good return policy makes it low risk so I wouldn't fret. You can always send it back. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 9:08:52 PM EDT
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New question about helmets now.
I am currently leaning towards the ops core bump helmets as I can find them in stock in a few places and they appear to be well regarded. I know they don't stop bullets. In other helmets I have looked at the mounting socket on the front of the helmet appears to be an added accessory, in the case of the ops core bump helmet it appears it is just a slot/socket molded into the front of the helmet. My questions is this. Do I need any additional hardware to correctly secure a night vision mount into the ops core helmet face/slot/socket/thing? For example if I purchase a wilcox mount such as the wilcox G24, will it interface directly with the bump helmet and the PVS-14 j arm or do I need to purchase some kind of adapter or plate to secure the mount to the ops core bump helmet? |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:47:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New question about helmets now. I am currently leaning towards the ops core bump helmets as I can find them in stock in a few places and they appear to be well regarded. I know they don't stop bullets. In other helmets I have looked at the mounting socket on the front of the helmet appears to be an added accessory, in the case of the ops core bump helmet it appears it is just a slot/socket molded into the front of the helmet. My questions is this. Do I need any additional hardware to correctly secure a night vision mount into the ops core helmet face/slot/socket/thing? For example if I purchase a wilcox mount such as the wilcox G24, will it interface directly with the bump helmet and the PVS-14 j arm or do I need to purchase some kind of adapter or plate to secure the mount to the ops core bump helmet? Your Wilcox will work fine with the ops core. |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 12:19:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your Wilcox will work fine with the ops core. Thanks! I grabbed an ops core and counter weight from TNVC. Is my assumption that the J arm that comes with the pvs14 will attach directly to the wilcox g24 correct as well? I believe the g24 is the last piece I need to purchase to get going for now.
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Posted: 1/11/2021 12:45:03 PM EDT
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If I am not mistaken, the Wilcox G24 is a dovetail mount.
Your PVS14 is bayonet style. You need a dovetail adapter like the Norotos Double dovetail or a dovetail J-arm. I heard that some Norotos and Wilcox does not interface well. |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 12:59:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I am not mistaken, the Wilcox G24 is a dovetail mount. Your PVS14 is bayonet style. You need a dovetail adapter like the Norotos Double dovetail or a dovetail J-arm. I heard that some Norotos and Wilcox does not interface well. OK gotcha, ill wait and see what exactly comes with the monocular and post pics, you have all been awesome so far thanks for the continued assistance. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:40:59 AM EDT
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Just so we're clear here, is Trybe some sort of Optics Planet house brand?
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:11:38 PM EDT
[#16]
Yes, Trybe are rebranded Elbit.
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Posted: 1/15/2021 12:24:00 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, Trybe are rebranded Elbit. Where did you hear that rumor??? |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 12:46:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did you hear that rumor??? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes, Trybe are rebranded Elbit. Where did you hear that rumor??? Probably because they use Elbit XLStubes Edit: Took my medicine from Augee  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 12:57:03 PM EDT
[#19]
If you actually ask trybe they are very up front they are Elbit xls tubes just like everyone else is selling. The difference is they are actually in stock and ship the next day with free 2 day shipping. Also they offer free returns and even pay for the return shipping. Their gen2 devices use xx1441.
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Posted: 1/15/2021 9:59:08 PM EDT
[#20]
Be nice if they offered more than a two year warranty on the Trybe units. Guess the limit on the warranty is part of the cost savings.
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Posted: 1/15/2021 10:26:31 PM EDT
[#21]
Yes, Trybe uses Elbit tubes, the monoculars are not made by, or assembled by Elbit.
Pretty nice specs there for an XLS tube. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 10:28:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably because they use Elbit XLStubes https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/457118/20210115_114411_jpg-1780180.JPG Isn’t it illegal to post spec sheets like that? |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 10:46:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, they use Elbit tubes, the monoculars are not made by, or assembled by Elbit. Pretty nice specs there for an XLS tube. Yeah I got pretty lucky! Only 2 pinprick dots and that EBI, but I'm happy with it. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 10:47:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn’t it illegal to post spec sheets like that? I'll take it down if you can point me to us code that says so. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 10:55:46 PM EDT
[#25]
Did you get one of the hand select WP units?
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Posted: 1/15/2021 11:00:04 PM EDT
[#26]
Yeah, $2974 total with tax.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 2:48:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll take it down if you can point me to us code that says so. Tube Data Records are generally believed to constitute Defense Technical Data: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/120.10 If you're seriously asking for someone to find exactly where it says "don't post data sheets online" in a USC or anywhere in ITAR guidance, you don't know a thing about how ITAR works or is enforced--to say the least, it tends to be fairly intentionally vague about what does or does not constitute a violation. However legal professionals versed in ITAR have all generally come to the conclusion that it's a bad idea, and while I know that a certain subset of people think it's fun to play a game of brinksmanship with legalities as a form of neo-libertarian virtue signalling, it's definitely an awesome idea to post documents with at very least questionable ITAR status to a forum that has already been shut down once in the past week due to claims of "promoting illegal activities" that we all know for a fact federal law enforcement agents know about and read--he may be everybody's buddy for now, but Agent Hunter Durham has posted in this forum before in at least a semi-official capacity. ~Augee |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:14:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tube Data Records are generally believed to constitute Defense Technical Data: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/120.10 If you're seriously asking for someone to find exactly where it says "don't post data sheets online" in a USC or anywhere in ITAR guidance, you don't know a thing about how ITAR works or is enforced--to say the least, it tends to be fairly intentionally vague about what does or does not constitute a violation. However legal professionals versed in ITAR have all generally come to the conclusion that it's a bad idea, and while I know that a certain subset of people think it's fun to play a game of brinksmanship with legalities as a form of neo-libertarian virtue signalling, it's definitely an awesome idea to post documents with at very least questionable ITAR status to a forum that has already been shut down once in the past week due to claims of "promoting illegal activities" that we all know for a fact federal law enforcement agents know about and read--he may be everybody's buddy for now, but Agent Hunter Durham has posted in this forum before in at least a semi-official capacity. ~Augee Got it, not trying to stir the pot. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 6:50:52 PM EDT
[#29]
I bought the N-Vision ITT “alpha” pvs 14 for 3,750 A few months ago and I probably have about 20 hours on it now and it has been great. Has one little fleck in it but that’s it. It’s not a defect per se by any means. My only complaint is it did not come with a spec sheet so I really have no idea what I got. When I try to resell it to fund BNVDs, I’ll have no way of assuring the customer it meets the minimum specs.
Edit: sorry, this was in reply to the OP Who bought the same PVS14. I did not quote it correctly. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:56:37 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i just ordered a Trybe gen3 yesterday, we'll see what happens? @akaf47 Did you get your Trybe unit yet? When it comes in let us know how long it took and the specs, if you don't mind. And, was it a hand select? |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 7:11:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @akaf47 Did you get your Trybe unit yet? When it comes in let us know how long it took and the specs, if you don't mind. And, was it a hand select? No I did not pick a hand select, and I am still waiting for it to ship. I ordered it on the 8th, and still waiting. Hopefully the specs will be decent, |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 3:33:23 PM EDT
[#32]
A buddy of mine got one. Here are the specs.
Halo .92 EBI .11 Res 64 SNR 21.7 |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 3:37:42 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A buddy of mine got one. Here are the specs. Halo .92 EBI .11 Res 64 SNR 21.7 S/N is on the low end, I believe 21 is minimum for this spec, but that's a fantastic EBI. This would make a very good stargazing tube. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:23:23 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A buddy of mine got one. Here are the specs. Halo .92 EBI .11 Res 64 SNR 21.7 @mah827 Not a hand select, was it? And, do you know how long he had to wait for it? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:35:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @mah827 Not a hand select, was it? And, do you know how long he had to wait for it? Not a hand select. I will ask about wait times. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 7:25:43 PM EDT
[#36]
The handselect ones have a 27snr min
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Posted: 1/20/2021 7:33:47 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @akaf47 Did you get your Trybe unit yet? When it comes in let us know how long it took and the specs, if you don't mind. And, was it a hand select? one of my buddies got one last month - it was a hand select It's got a clean screen, no spots. His specs were.... 64 resolution 27.1 SNR 0.46 EBI 0.79 Halo PCS 2037 Pretty good spec unit all around |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:19:58 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @mah827 Not a hand select, was it? And, do you know how long he had to wait for it? He said it was in stock at the time. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 5:03:49 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No I did not pick a hand select, and I am still waiting for it to ship. I ordered it on the 8th, and still waiting. Hopefully the specs will be decent, @akaf47 Did you get it yet? Give us specs if you did! |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 5:29:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, $2974 total with tax. @NostalgiaforInfinity Did you buy this recently? OpPlanet is showing $3499 for hand select WP. If you did get it recently, how did you get that price? |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 9:31:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @NostalgiaforInfinity Did you buy this recently? OpPlanet is showing $3499 for hand select WP. If you did get it recently, how did you get that price? I bought it from DVOR when they were running a sale at the end of September. Took about 4 weeks to get it in hand. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 3:22:04 PM EDT
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I bought a hand selected green phosphor from OP and it took 6 days to arrive from the day I ordered it. I bridged it with an L3 Harris that I bought from TNVC. The Trybe unit has zero defects and I am very happy with it. If I were looking to get a PVS14 at this stage what with the lead times as they are, I wouldn’t hesitate to go with the Trybe. I took a chance and it worked out perfectly.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:24:29 PM EDT
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My N-Vision Optics order has still not shipped, so if you want something now don't do that.
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Posted: 1/30/2021 12:22:05 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @akaf47 Did you get it yet? Give us specs if you did! I ended up cancelling my order. It was an impulse buy before doing enough research, and it was taking a while to ship. It gave me time realize that I want to "buy once and cry once" on the PVS 14. |
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