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Posted: 3/3/2024 4:12:06 PM EDT
Looking to dip my toe into thermal. The AGM StingIR-640 looks like a pretty interesting option as it can be weapon mounted (up to 5.56), helmet mounted, and be used as a handheld. It's 640 resolution, relatively inexpensive. I'm not a pro coyote hunter or anything like that, just looking to add capability. Anyone have any direct experience, good or bad? It says they are HQ'd in AZ and also Bulguria? So at least maybe not china?
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Posted: 3/3/2024 4:54:37 PM EDT
[#1]
To the best of my knowledge, they use Chinese Iray cores, which are excellent, but yes still Chinese.
They are ultra lightweight and pretty feature rich for the money. I enjoyed my 384 res unit and really don’t have much negative to say about it. |
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VEN
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Posted: 3/3/2024 6:50:32 PM EDT
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Thanks! I figured some China was in it
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Posted: 3/4/2024 9:13:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KC-ROUGHNECK]
[#3]
HOP has a pretty decent You-tube review on it. I think his summary was it’s a pretty good do all unit. Spring for the 640 if you plan to use it as a clip on in front of a scope. If the main use is helmet mounted the 384?is good enough.
In for info. This is the unit I’m looking at for my first thermal. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2024 4:46:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RRAR15]
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I have one on order that should be here in about a week. I found mine NIB for ~$3200 OTD and for that price, it was $2,300 less than the RH25, which is its only other real competitor. I’m sure the RH25 has better image quality (though from what I hear, the StingIR 640 is about 90% as good as the RH25), and the recoil rating is significantly higher, but I plan on using mine on my subsonic 300BLK, so that didn’t really matter to me. The price difference to me made it very attractive.
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VEN
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Posted: 3/5/2024 7:34:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jd2395]
[#5]
Nice! Please let me know your thoughts once you get it. I am hoping for something I can easily drop on a gun with RDS or LPVO and sometimes maybe helmet mount or scan with.
would you PM me with details on where you got it? I'm seeing $3600 or so everywhere. thanks!!! |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/5/2024 12:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jd2395: Nice! Please let me know your thoughts once you get it. I am hoping for something I can easily drop on a gun with RDS or LPVO and sometimes maybe helmet mount or scan with. would you PM me with details on where you got it? I'm seeing $3600 or so everywhere. thanks!!! PM sent. |
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VEN
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Posted: 3/9/2024 2:19:53 PM EDT
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Get it yet?
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Posted: 3/9/2024 8:52:37 PM EDT
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I just got one from Kenzies optics. $3236 delivered for a 640 with their new customer discount code.
Initial impressions are great. The helmet mount works surprisingly well. The included pic rail adapter/weapon mount puts it at the correct height to align well with several of my optics. User interface/menu is very simple. Had it zeroed with my ta31 in about 5 minutes. After taking it off and reinstalling, it returned to zero well enough to be on a 6” plate at 100. Not bad for the thumbscrew mount. I’d like to find something like an ADM QD mount for it at some point. I think it’s a winner for what I wanna do with it handheld scanner and occasionally rifle mounted. I don’t hunt.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:06:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Glck1911]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Damon_23: I just got one from Kenzies optics. $3236 delivered for a 640 with their new customer discount code. Initial impressions are great. The helmet mount works surprisingly well. The included pic rail adapter/weapon mount puts it at the correct height to align well with several of my optics. User interface/menu is very simple. Had it zeroed with my ta31 in about 5 minutes. After taking it off and reinstalling, it returned to zero well enough to be on a 6” plate at 100. Not bad for the thumbscrew mount. I’d like to find something like an ADM QD mount for it at some point. I think it’s a winner for what I wanna do with it handheld scanner and occasionally rifle mounted. I don’t hunt. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113101/IMG_9653_jpeg-3154806.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113101/IMG_9667_jpeg-3154808.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113101/IMG_9668_jpeg-3154809.JPG Nice. I’ve been thinking about grabbing one of these lately. Outdoor Legacy did an AGM interview during shot show and they teased that American Defense would be making a Flip to Side mount for these. How did it look through the ACOG at 100 yards? |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:07:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Damon_23]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: Nice. I’ve been thinking about grabbing one of these lately. Outdoor Legacy did an AGM interview during shot show and they teased that American Defense would be making a Flip to Side mount for these. How did it look through the ACOG at 100 yards? Here’s a crappy Ipotato pic through it at my 100 yard berm. Looks a LOT better in person. ETA. Feral Texas Outdoors has the ADM flip to side mount listed on their website for $300. Unsure I want flip to side, but that could be handy  Attached File |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jd2395: Get it yet? Got it Friday evening, and finally got a chance to look through it for the first time last night. I had relatively high expectations for it after watching reviews and hearing people compare it to the RH25 which seems to be pretty much universally liked. I was not disappointed. Only had it outside for about an hour, because it was snowing last night, but I’m very happy with it. Haven’t thrown it on my rifle yet, but hand held was as good as I was expecting. I do wish there was a way to attach a lanyard or something to it though. |
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VEN
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Posted: 3/10/2024 8:02:03 PM EDT
[#12]
sweet, thanks...looking for more feedback on rifle mounting use. I'm hoping to use with LPVO's mostly...
Thanks! |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2024 1:12:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Damon_23: ETA. Feral Texas Outdoors has the ADM flip to side mount listed on their website for $300. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113101/IMG_9655_jpeg-3155246.JPG Thanks for notifying us about this QD mount, didn't know it has already been released. Disappointing that its just a QD flip to side mount, it would have been better if it had a similar pic-rail/dovetail mounting system like the RH25 so you can QD it from the firearm and connect it to a dovetail interface of a helmet mount. |
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DEU
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Posted: 3/11/2024 5:52:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doge_hound_57:... Disappointing that its just a QD flip to side mount, it would have been better if it had a similar pic-rail/dovetail mounting system like the RH25 so you can QD it from the firearm and connect it to a dovetail interface of a helmet mount. It should be very easy to design a proper dovetail adapter to use the StingIR in conjunction with a Wilcox FTS mount. I have some designs ready to go, the annoying problem always is that I need the device to properly test the body mounting. |
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Posted: 3/11/2024 9:45:46 AM EDT
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Anyone have experience with both the 384 and 640. Should I save a bit longer for the 640?
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/13/2024 11:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doge_hound_57: Thanks for notifying us about this QD mount, didn't know it has already been released. Disappointing that its just a QD flip to side mount, it would have been better if it had a similar pic-rail/dovetail mounting system like the RH25 so you can QD it from the firearm and connect it to a dovetail interface of a helmet mount. I am interested in this. If you make mounts and I end up buying one maybe we can work something out if you make me a mount that will put it inline with a unity 2.26 mount. |
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DEU
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Posted: 3/14/2024 8:14:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: javemtr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By farpolemiddle1: I am interested in this. If you make mounts and I end up buying one maybe we can work something out if you make me a mount that will put it inline with a unity 2.26 mount. If there's enough space to make a dovetail that aligns it in a Wilcox FTS at 1.54", then you are able to align that same setup at 2.26" simply by mounting it on the Picatinny riser that Unity offers. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2024 10:54:55 PM EDT
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https://www.agmglobalvision.com/agm-ftsm-stingir-flip-to-side-mount
I think I am going to go with this if I still have to use a riser. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2024 11:11:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By farpolemiddle1: https://www.agmglobalvision.com/agm-ftsm-stingir-flip-to-side-mount I think I am going to go with this if I still have to use a riser. I just ordered one. Goblin Tactical on Instagram bought one a few weeks ago and has been torture testing it. He hasn’t given it the thumbs up yet, but it appears everything has been working well with it so far. He’s already done more to it than I probably will in a few years of use, so I figured it’s a safe bet. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/15/2024 12:35:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAR15: I just ordered one. Goblin Tactical on Instagram bought one a few weeks ago and has been torture testing it. He hasn’t given it the thumbs up yet, but it appears everything has been working well with it so far. He’s already done more to it than I probably will in a few years of use, so I figured it’s a safe bet. Sweet. Let me know how you like it. My understanding is it is 1.54 so for my unity I will need a .75ish riser. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 7:01:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By farpolemiddle1: Sweet. Let me know how you like it. My understanding is it is 1.54 so for my unity I will need a .75ish riser. I asked AGM what the height was and they said it was 1.75” for both the flip mount and the one included in the box. I don’t see how that could possibly be true though. |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 9:01:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: deputygadget]
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My convo with AGM about the 380 was the shipped mount was 1.54 should be the same for both.
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Posted: 3/15/2024 9:02:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAR15: I asked AGM what the height was and they said it was 1.75” for both the flip mount and the one included in the box. I don’t see how that could possibly be true though. I don’t think the factory mount height is 1.75. It aligns almost perfectly with a 1.54 Geissele mount.  Attached File |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/15/2024 9:09:16 AM EDT
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I agree that my information saying it was a 1.75” height is incorrect. It’s unfortunate that you get a different answer depending on who you ask.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/15/2024 1:25:16 PM EDT
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Below is what I got. Judging by how many times this is going to get asked they should put some measurements in the description like grown ups.
Hello, That mount is designed for scopes mounted at the height of 1.5". You may be able to get away with using the Unity Picatinny Fast Riser base. Jack Rapala Sales and Customer Service American Defense Manufacturing 15885 West Overland Drive New Berlin WI 53151 [www.admmfg.com]www.admmfg.com |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/15/2024 1:25:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By farpolemiddle1: Below is what I got. Judging by how many times this is going to get asked they should put some measurements in the description like grown ups. This was asking about the flip mount. Hello, That mount is designed for scopes mounted at the height of 1.5". You may be able to get away with using the Unity Picatinny Fast Riser base. Jack Rapala Sales and Customer Service American Defense Manufacturing 15885 West Overland Drive New Berlin WI 53151 [www.admmfg.com]www.admmfg.com |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:06:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doge_hound_57: Thanks for notifying us about this QD mount, didn't know it has already been released. Disappointing that its just a QD flip to side mount, it would have been better if it had a similar pic-rail/dovetail mounting system like the RH25 so you can QD it from the firearm and connect it to a dovetail interface of a helmet mount. So I decided to try out a knockoff flip to side mount and knowing how the dovetail mount was not meant for the StingIR's footprint I had to modify it to get it to work, I didn't want to buy an expensive authentic Wilcox one as I didn't want to ruin a perfectly good mount so I decided to try the Sotac special first. I have a machinist friend to mill out the correct placement for the fasteners to fit into the StingIR's footprint and so far it looks to line up correctly with my ACOG. I'm planning on going to the range some time soon to zero this setup and see if it will hold up to the recoil.   
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:04:50 PM EDT
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So would you get a 384 vice a 640 in this? Seems to be some intresting conversations about 384 being a sweet spot on such a small thermal, but I normally use Uncle Sams Thermals but retiring this year (then will probably be recalled thanks WW3) but my wife said I should buy a thremal but gave me a budget because we also want to zero out credit cards by June.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:20:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aftac: So would you get a 384 vice a 640 in this? Seems to be some intresting conversations about 384 being a sweet spot on such a small thermal, but I normally use Uncle Sams Thermals but retiring this year (then will probably be recalled thanks WW3) but my wife said I should buy a thremal but gave me a budget because we also want to zero out credit cards by June. I don’t see a single reason to go 384 over 640 unless your budget doesn’t allow for 640. The 640 can be had for under $3200 new as some retailers, which is how I was able to swing it. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 1:01:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Heineken]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAR15: I don’t see a single reason to go 384 over 640 unless your budget doesn’t allow for 640. The 640 can be had for under $3200 new as some retailers, which is how I was able to swing it. This 100%. The 384 works, but it doesn't have the wow factor of a 640 core. For under 3300 for a 640 core I'm about to buy one of these just to have around and save putting some hours on my skeet ir. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 1:07:59 PM EDT
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I am looking for these $3200 Stinger IR but they seem to be no where. I can get a 384 with military discount for $2200 before taxes. (10% sales tax here)
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Posted: 4/2/2024 1:13:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aftac: I am looking for these $3200 Stinger IR but they seem to be no where. I can get a 384 with military discount for $2200 before taxes. (10% sales tax here) Not sure if I’m allowed to post the link, but Defense Depot has the 640 for $3173.65 before shipping if you “add to cart for the best price”. They also didn’t charge me sales tax. That’s where I got mine from. They’re a drop shipper, so don’t expect lightning fast shipping, but I got mine without issue. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 5:01:27 AM EDT
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Has anyone tried this on larger caliber firearms?
I know the rating is "only" 5.56 but i'm curious if the thing will hold up. Why are there so few clip ons with useful recoil ratings? Is the market for these really that small? |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 10:04:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: aftac]
[#34]
Well decided to save $1200 by getting the 384 version. $2200. Part of the reason is I’m on a budget due to my daughter needing to have help in school.
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:46:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Magsz18: Has anyone tried this on larger caliber firearms? I know the rating is "only" 5.56 but i'm curious if the thing will hold up. Why are there so few clip ons with useful recoil ratings? Is the market for these really that small? I use mine on a 300blk, but yeah that’s not really pushing the limits. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 1:03:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 84bthomas: I use mine on a 300blk, but yeah that’s not really pushing the limits. Subsonic or supersonic? Subsonic shouldn’t be an issue, supersonic would give me pause. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:00:09 PM EDT
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Both?
 I didn’t feel either was anymore punishing to shoot.
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