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r-2-k-b-a Joined Nov 2002 Posts 7147 EE 100% (1) USA	Posted: 3/13/2018 8:19:48 PM EDT [#1] Quote History Originally Posted By revottuneda4: Really amazed at how the individual forms have slowed down. Also really pissed off because I was on time line for it to be done next month but I got the 9 month statement from them as well. View Quote

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Posted: 3/13/2018 8:31:59 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By revottuneda4:
Really amazed at how the individual forms have slowed down. Also really pissed off because I was on time line for it to be done next month but I got the 9 month statement from them as well.

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Second the motion.

I was looking at my next APPROVED in either April or May.
NOW it looks like July, Late July for APPROVAL.

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MENACE Joined Jan 2002 Posts 1424 EE 100% (122) OH, USA	Posted: 3/14/2018 12:46:25 PM EDT [#3] OHIO Form 4 individual,Check cashed 9/27/2017 Pending.Why the log jam?

BigMan74 Grackle Overlord Joined Nov 2013 Posts 6111 EE 100% (26) VA, USA	Posted: 3/14/2018 12:48:38 PM EDT [#4] Quote History Originally Posted By MENACE: OHIO Form 4 individual,Check cashed 9/27/2017 Pending.Why the log jam? View Quote People that don't care about their job, if the money cleared once the stamp was approved wait times would be a week max
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Posted: 3/14/2018 1:03:48 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:

Second the motion.

I was looking at my next APPROVED in either April or May.
NOW it looks like July, Late July for APPROVAL.

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I third.

All of my submissions are Trust so I have noticed how the Trust submissions are ruling the roost currently. Hate it for you individual guys. Just a month or so ago it seemed like some individuals were getting approvals in 4-5 months. I have noticed the graph on the tracker is doing some wonky stuff.

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revottuneda4

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Posted: 3/14/2018 5:24:53 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors:

I third.

All of my submissions are Trust so I have noticed how the Trust submissions are ruling the roost currently. Hate it for you individual guys. Just a month or so ago it seemed like some individuals were getting approvals in 4-5 months. I have noticed the graph on the tracker is doing some wonky stuff.

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Hard stop at September for the individual forms. My check was cashed in October.

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Posted: 3/14/2018 6:09:36 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By revottuneda4:
Hard stop at September for the individual forms. My check was cashed in October.

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Originally Posted By revottuneda4:

Originally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors:

I third.

All of my submissions are Trust so I have noticed how the Trust submissions are ruling the roost currently. Hate it for you individual guys. Just a month or so ago it seemed like some individuals were getting approvals in 4-5 months. I have noticed the graph on the tracker is doing some wonky stuff.

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Hard stop at September for the individual forms. My check was cashed in October.

It's because I bought a can in the beginning of Oct.

swampfoxoutdoors Member Joined Feb 2015 Posts 2004 EE 100% (101) GA, USA	Posted: 3/14/2018 9:28:51 PM EDT [#8] I wonder if they have a projected goal for the amount of days it takes and they work Trust vs Individual according to that. Just looking at the chart seems like 150-200 from check cash to approval is where they are trying to be.

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Posted: 3/15/2018 4:11:20 PM EDT

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Question do they generally do the FBI background check before or after a trust goes thru review?

Just called about my Feb 2017 Trust submission. Had a error letter come back to my dealer about 2-3 weeks ago. I emailed them the correct admendment the same day and the dealer said it was mailed the same day.

Called to check on it today hoping to hear an approval but the lady said that my correction letter was received yesterday. So I guess it takes them 2 weeks to open their mail.

But she then said it would renter the review portion and then would be submitted to the FBI for BG check. Just wondering if that was true?

revottuneda4 Member Joined Nov 2008 Posts 1406 EE 100% (20) PA, USA	Posted: 3/15/2018 5:26:51 PM EDT [#10] Someone on Reddit posted an individual form 1 with a 9/14/17 submission with a 3/5/18 approval. Maybe individuals are starting back up again. Crossing my fingers.

GiggleSmith A Deplorable and Proud Infidel Joined Apr 2003 Posts 70753 EE 0% (0) PA, USA	Posted: 3/15/2018 6:50:53 PM EDT [#11] Quote History Originally Posted By revottuneda4: Someone on Reddit posted an individual form 1 with a 9/14/17 submission with a 3/5/18 approval. Maybe individuals are starting back up again. Crossing my fingers. View Quote That would be 172 days. Crossing my fingers when I'm not typing.
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Quintin Member Joined Sep 2004 Posts 31931 EE 100% (30) GA, USA	Posted: 3/15/2018 8:03:32 PM EDT [Last Edit: Quintin] [#12] I just had an August 2017 form 4 get approved before a June 2017 one did. Eta - trust, 2RP.
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Tyler315 I survived Arfcockalypse 2012 Joined Feb 2011 Posts 3074 EE 100% (17) SWZ	Posted: 3/15/2018 8:13:00 PM EDT [#13] Quote History Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: That would be 172 days. Crossing my fingers when I'm not typing. View Quote I've been crossing mine for awhile. Pending since 07/17, pending FBI early December....still no luck, F4 Indiv.
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revottuneda4 Member Joined Nov 2008 Posts 1407 EE 100% (20) PA, USA	Posted: 3/15/2018 8:20:14 PM EDT [#14] Quote History Originally Posted By Quintin: I just had an August 2017 form 4 get approved before a June 2017 one did. Eta - trust, 2RP. View Quote The lack of consistency is mind boggling.

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Posted: 3/16/2018 8:46:49 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors:
Question do they generally do the FBI background check before or after a trust goes thru review?

Just called about my Feb 2017 Trust submission. Had a error letter come back to my dealer about 2-3 weeks ago. I emailed them the correct admendment the same day and the dealer said it was mailed the same day.

Called to check on it today hoping to hear an approval but the lady said that my correction letter was received yesterday. So I guess it takes them 2 weeks to open their mail.

But she then said it would renter the review portion and then would be submitted to the FBI for BG check. Just wondering if that was true?

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Depending on the issue they would not be able to submit it to FBI until the issue is resolved because they may need to have trust issues resolved before they can know if records were submitted for all RPs.

swampfoxoutdoors

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Posted: 3/16/2018 9:13:11 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By Furner:
Depending on the issue they would not be able to submit it to FBI until the issue is resolved because they may need to have trust issues resolved before they can know if records were submitted for all RPs.

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So am in in for the long haul?

I have another suppressor that has been approved now for 2 weeks. I was hoping to make 1 trip down to QRF which is 2 hrs away from me and pick everything up at one time.

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Posted: 3/16/2018 7:31:32 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By revottuneda4:
The lack of consistency is mind boggling.

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Originally Posted By revottuneda4:

Originally Posted By Quintin:
I just had an August 2017 form 4 get approved before a June 2017 one did.

Eta - trust, 2RP.

The lack of consistency is mind boggling.

It really is. In addition to that form 4 madness, I'm going on week three on an e-file form 3 with no movement. The last two took like 48 hours to process and approve.

NFA branch is like a box o' chocolates...you never know what you're gonna get. They're nice folks at least.

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Posted: 3/17/2018 12:54:12 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By csrevenant:
Still waiting on a 2/22 approval. How hard is it to mail a damned letter.

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Call the NFA branch and ask again. I called and was told my form 4 trust submission was approved on 2/23. After two weeks of waiting and haunting my FFL I called back and was told my form was sent to an examiner on 2/23. I asked why I was told the form was approved when I called two weeks ago and the lady (very nice and helpful by the way) apologized and said someone misread the file and gave me the wrong info.

FreefallRet Lazy Army retiree Joined Mar 2002 Posts 34197 EE 100% (185) NC, USA	Posted: 3/18/2018 2:08:04 AM EDT [#19] I am just over 9 months on a form 4 trust with 2 RP, WTF!!!! I have never waited over 8 months for a form 4
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Posted: 3/18/2018 11:10:23 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
I am just over 9 months on a form 4 trust with 2 RP, WTF!!!! I have never waited over 8 months for a form 4

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I have 2 that were sent in at the same time, I got one back three months ago and I'm at 14 months waiting on the other. 9 months was normal for trust not too long ago, now it seems like 7-13 months is normal. It all depends on if you get held up because of them dragging their feet on the bg check or not.

I spoke with someone at the FBI last week and they said they were bringing in more people to help clear the bg check backlog they've been dealing with.

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Posted: 3/18/2018 11:23:14 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Aby001:
I have 2 that were sent in at the same time, I got one back three months ago and I'm at 14 months waiting on the other. 9 months was normal for trust not too long ago, now it seems like 7-13 months is normal. It all depends on if you get held up because of them dragging their feet on the bg check or not.

I spoke with someone at the FBI last week and they said they were bringing in more people to help clear the bg check backlog they've been dealing with.

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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
I am just over 9 months on a form 4 trust with 2 RP, WTF!!!! I have never waited over 8 months for a form 4

I have 2 that were sent in at the same time, I got one back three months ago and I'm at 14 months waiting on the other. 9 months was normal for trust not too long ago, now it seems like 7-13 months is normal. It all depends on if you get held up because of them dragging their feet on the bg check or not.

I spoke with someone at the FBI last week and they said they were bringing in more people to help clear the bg check backlog they've been dealing with.

That why they need to make a class3 card you can renew every year.

Show the card to the FFL and he prints out a form4 with a stamp.

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MENACE Joined Jan 2002 Posts 1425 EE 100% (122) OH, USA	Posted: 3/19/2018 12:43:30 PM EDT [#22] There is a Form 4 ind. Sept 29 2017 posted on the Tracker today

dragpo Joined Jun 2017 Posts 73 EE 100% (22) VA, USA	Posted: 3/19/2018 1:29:45 PM EDT [#23] Form 4 Trust, 2 RPs pending as of 6/2/17 I've called a bunch recently and heard varying replies as to the status. Today was "Pending" Last week it was "in process, background check was sent out"

bunnybunny Joined Mar 2014 Posts 132 EE 100% (35) OR, USA	Posted: 3/19/2018 2:02:59 PM EDT [#24] I'm about 5 weeks into a paper form 3 and still haven't heard anything ughhhh

r-2-k-b-a Joined Nov 2002 Posts 7153 EE 100% (1) USA	Posted: 3/20/2018 6:53:15 PM EDT [#25] https://www.ammoland.com/2018/03/atfs-nfa-branch-getting-addition-funds-hire-25-new-employee/#axzz59qjf2kYU

ArmyPilot12 GOB Joined Dec 2012 Posts 695 EE 100% (16) TX, USA	Posted: 3/21/2018 3:43:42 PM EDT [#26] Grrr... I have a Form 4 individual with a 9/18/17 cash date. I saw on the tracker a 10/10/17 trust approved and 9/29/17 individual approved. I called a few times during the process and never got the dreaded "FBI pending". This is ridiculous.
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r-2-k-b-a

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Posted: 3/21/2018 4:55:37 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By ArmyPilot12:
Grrr... I have a Form 4 individual with a 9/18/17 cash date. I saw on the tracker a 10/10/17 trust approved and 9/29/17 individual approved. I called a few times during the process and never got the dreaded "FBI pending". This is ridiculous.

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I'm at 140 days now. And I heard yesterday NFA closed for the weather.

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Posted: 3/21/2018 5:58:07 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By ArmyPilot12:
Grrr... I have a Form 4 individual with a 9/18/17 cash date. I saw on the tracker a 10/10/17 trust approved and 9/29/17 individual approved. I called a few times during the process and never got the dreaded "FBI pending". This is ridiculous.

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I have 2 form 4 trust purchases made 4/23/17 that are still "pending" as of 2/22/18. Here we are a month after I checked and nothing. Another month from today will be 363 days since I purchased those 2 cans. I don't think you have hit ridiculous status yet.

swampfoxoutdoors Member Joined Feb 2015 Posts 2049 EE 100% (101) GA, USA	Posted: 3/22/2018 2:58:49 AM EDT [#29] Quote History Originally Posted By r-2-k-b-a: I'm at 140 days now. And I heard yesterday NFA closed for the weather. View Quote I called Tuesday and they were closed then as well.

m6z Joined May 2012 Posts 6654 EE 100% (265) MO, USA	Posted: 3/22/2018 12:44:41 PM EDT [Last Edit: m6z] [#30] I'm at 8 months since the check was cashed for an individual form 4. Is it time I call and check on the status? What number do I need to call?

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Posted: 3/22/2018 1:20:21 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
That why they need to make a class3 card you can renew every year.

Show the card to the FFL and he prints out a form4 with a stamp.

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I agree, there's no reason a form 4/1 cannot be treated like a form 3. Submit photos, fingerprints and application like a FFL does, assign a class 3 transfer number like a FFL has and allow e-file form 1/4..

I have over two dozen stamps, I've alreadyy been vetted.. numerous times.. last 3 purchases took less than 24 hours to approve the form 3 to my dealer.. probably take close to a year for the approved form 4s to come back

Colt_Chad

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Posted: 3/22/2018 1:48:49 PM EDT

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My FFL received an error letter yesterday saying there was a problem with my responsible person questionnaire. They said I didn't fill one out (I am very, very sure I did...my friggen picture is on it!). I am the only responsible person on my trust

Anyways, the letter was sent by them on 3/11/18. My check was cashed on 8/29/17. This was a F4 Trust application for all you timeline folks. I'll be sending them another form Monday, so hopefully the process after this is quick. I guessed I would have my suppressor in March back when I sent them the application. So close!

BigWaylon No, my name isn't actually Waylon Joined May 2007 Posts 13303 EE 100% (12) NC, USA	Posted: 3/22/2018 2:34:28 PM EDT [#33] Quote History Originally Posted By m6z: I'm at 8 months since the check was cashed for an individual form 4. Is it time I call and check on the status? What number do I need to call? View Quote 304-616-4500

Lucretius76 Joined Feb 2010 Posts 197 EE 100% (21) WA, USA	Posted: 3/23/2018 12:53:30 PM EDT [#34] Called to check status this morning. Both cans are pending still. Purchased 4/23/17 form 4 trust. Still pending 3/23/18

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Posted: 3/23/2018 1:39:56 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Lucretius76:
Called to check status this morning. Both cans are pending still.

Purchased 4/23/17 form 4 trust. Still pending 3/23/18

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damn, i thought my 6/2/17 trust was bad. are you stuck with FBI or anything? I've been told multiple "pending" and "in process, background check was already sent out" back to just "pending"

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Posted: 3/23/2018 2:02:06 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By m6z:
I'm at 8 months since the check was cashed for an individual form 4. Is it time I call and check on the status? What number do I need to call?

304-616-4500

Just called. Approved Feb. 2nd. Just sent an email to my dealer to inquire if the approved form has arrived.

BigWaylon No, my name isn't actually Waylon Joined May 2007 Posts 13309 EE 100% (12) NC, USA	Posted: 3/23/2018 2:07:01 PM EDT [#37] Quote History Originally Posted By m6z: Just called. Approved Feb. 2nd. Just sent an email to my dealer to inquire if the approved form has arrived. View Quote If it hasn't, since it's >30 days since the approval, you can request a certified copy from the ATF.

Lucretius76

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Posted: 3/23/2018 3:13:46 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By dragpo:

damn, i thought my 6/2/17 trust was bad. are you stuck with FBI or anything? I've been told multiple "pending" and "in process, background check was already sent out" back to just "pending"

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The lady I spoke with just said they were both "pending", nothing about FBI checks. I didn't ask if there were any extenuating circumstances though. Will they typically tell you if there are any errors or if it's awaiting FBI background?

Aby001 Joined Mar 2016 Posts 1235 EE 100% (63) TX, USA	Posted: 3/23/2018 11:57:07 PM EDT [#39] About damn time, trust f4 mailed 1/19/17 was finally approved yesterday. Hell I may be at 15 months by the time the stamp shows up at my dealer.

dragpo Joined Jun 2017 Posts 76 EE 100% (22) VA, USA	Posted: 3/25/2018 7:32:47 PM EDT [#40] damn, this is crazy seeing things like that while august approvals coming through

GiggleSmith A Deplorable and Proud Infidel Joined Apr 2003 Posts 70931 EE 0% (0) PA, USA	Posted: 3/25/2018 8:47:23 PM EDT [#41] Quote History Originally Posted By r-2-k-b-a: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/03/atfs-nfa-branch-getting-addition-funds-hire-25-new-employee/#axzz59qjf2kYU View Quote Day 127 and counting
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pa123guns Joined Apr 2009 Posts 72 EE 100% (39) PA, USA	Posted: 3/26/2018 3:05:07 PM EDT [#42] What happened to individual forms being approved? I haven't seen anything but trust coming through the tracking thread.

MENACE Joined Jan 2002 Posts 1426 EE 100% (122) OH, USA	Posted: 3/26/2018 5:10:35 PM EDT [#43] I have seen 11 (Form 4 Individual) for Sept approved in the last week.Posted on different forums Sept 1,7,12,14,15,17,18,19,20,26,29.must be moving again

r-2-k-b-a Joined Nov 2002 Posts 7155 EE 100% (1) USA	Posted: 3/26/2018 5:20:39 PM EDT [#44] Quote History Originally Posted By MENACE: I have seen 11 (Form 4 Individual) for Sept approved in the last week.Posted on different forums Sept 1,7,12,14,15,17,18,19,20,26,29.must be moving again View Quote Interesting... Mine is Nov1 check cashing so maybe I'll get something in april.

pa123guns Joined Apr 2009 Posts 73 EE 100% (39) PA, USA	Posted: 3/26/2018 9:09:30 PM EDT [#45] Thanks MENACE for the info

GiggleSmith A Deplorable and Proud Infidel Joined Apr 2003 Posts 70952 EE 0% (0) PA, USA	Posted: 3/26/2018 9:19:20 PM EDT [#46] Quote History Originally Posted By r-2-k-b-a: Interesting... Mine is Nov1 check cashing so maybe I'll get something in april. View Quote Middle of November for me. Soooo....Middle or end of April/May for mine????
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BigWaylon No, my name isn't actually Waylon Joined May 2007 Posts 13325 EE 100% (12) NC, USA	Posted: 3/26/2018 10:05:16 PM EDT [#47] Quote History Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: Middle of November for me. Soooo....Middle or end of April/May for mine???? View Quote Fingers crossed...for our sake.

MENACE Joined Jan 2002 Posts 1427 EE 100% (122) OH, USA	Posted: 3/27/2018 2:21:11 PM EDT [#48] ok I called today Heather said Pending but my paperwork is with a examiner I should be hearing something soon.How long does it take the examiner to process Form 4 ind????

elits1

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Posted: 3/27/2018 5:53:23 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By MENACE:
ok I called today Heather said Pending but my paperwork is with a examiner I should be hearing something soon.How long does it take the examiner to process Form 4 ind????

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I was told the same thing over a week ago. I asked the rep if she had an idea of how much longer it would be. She told me it depends on the examiners workload and speed. To give you an idea, my form 4 trust was sent to the examiner Feb. 26. I'm still waiting for approval.

r-2-k-b-a Joined Nov 2002 Posts 7169 EE 100% (1) USA	Posted: 4/7/2018 7:34:38 AM EDT [Last Edit: r-2-k-b-a] [#50] F1 Individual for SBR Check cashed 9-19-2017 Approved 3-28-2018 Stamp received 4-6-2018 My first NFA device. Unfortunately I seem to have contracted a terminal case of the NFAids from it. It's all downhill from here. View Quote 190 days for a F1 individual. Thats really really sad for a gun already in your safe.

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