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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2019 8:12:09 PM EDT
[#1]
I'm at 280 and 297 days. My name is pretty unique so I do not think I got FBI background checked.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 2:37:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Mr_Maim]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chase45:
After calling 2x a day for nearly the past week, trying to reach my examiner with no luck I finally got a return call from my examiner He checked on the delayed FBI background, and its completed He said he would try and knock it out today and have it mailed out by next week This nightmare is finally coming to a end I also asked about UPIN He said it would help vastly for future NFA transfers |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 2:39:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Mr_Maim]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Now at 393 days.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Originally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Originally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Form 4 344 days from check cashed to today
Spoke with my Examiner who, to her credit was very nice and returned my call from my voicemail left the previous day, apologized for the wait and said "pending FBI background check" and has been there since August. < ...shrug... >
This is just absurd. A human goes from conception to birth in less time! 
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Posted: 5/7/2019 8:49:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Maim:
Good to hear. You're the only one with a wait as long as mine... Good luck man, this was a rough one |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2019 9:08:01 PM EDT
[#5]
Well I feel your pain. As of today I'm at 469 days and still counting......
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2019 11:46:46 PM EDT
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Wow, 469 days. That is absurd.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 11:54:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thatsthefactjack:
Well I feel your pain. As of today I'm at 469 days and still counting...... |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 1:19:23 PM EDT
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officially approved 5/2
Damn snail mail is killing me |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2019 3:49:21 PM EDT
[#9]
You can request a certified copy of the stamp doesn’t arrive in 30 days. I would do that because if it hasn’t shown up after 30 days, it probably isn’t going to.
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Posted: 5/8/2019 7:10:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lucky_Day]
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First can. Approved March 26. My dealer calls me last Thursday and says he's never had a stamp get lost in 15 years or whatever but he's going to request a certified copy at the 30 day mark. This Friday will be 2 weeks into that wait. Fuck my life.
Eta - June 1 will be 365 days |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 2:15:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lucky_Day:
First can. Approved March 26. My dealer calls me last Thursday and says he's never had a stamp get lost in 15 years or whatever but he's going to request a certified copy at the 30 day mark. This Friday will be 2 weeks into that wait. Fuck my life.
Eta - June 1 will be 365 days Im at a week since approval Kinda figured I woulda got the call by now but I guess we will see |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 6:13:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lucky_Day:
First can. Approved March 26. My dealer calls me last Thursday and says he's never had a stamp get lost in 15 years or whatever but he's going to request a certified copy at the 30 day mark. This Friday will be 2 weeks into that wait. Fuck my life.
Eta - June 1 will be 365 days Who was your examiner? I had several paper form 1s/form 4s approved on 4/8 & 4/9, I received all but one within a week of approval. Still have one form 4 approval from 4/9 that my dealer is waiting on.. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 8:41:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grn_zx6r:
@Lucky_Day Who was your examiner? I had several paper form 1s/form 4s approved on 4/8 & 4/9, I received all but one within a week of approval. Still have one form 4 approval from 4/9 that my dealer is waiting on.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grn_zx6r:
Originally Posted By Lucky_Day:
First can. Approved March 26. My dealer calls me last Thursday and says he's never had a stamp get lost in 15 years or whatever but he's going to request a certified copy at the 30 day mark. This Friday will be 2 weeks into that wait. Fuck my life.
Eta - June 1 will be 365 days Who was your examiner? I had several paper form 1s/form 4s approved on 4/8 & 4/9, I received all but one within a week of approval. Still have one form 4 approval from 4/9 that my dealer is waiting on.. Anyways, finally was able to pick it up today. 
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Posted: 5/10/2019 10:05:01 AM EDT
[#14]
338 for one stamp and 329 days for another.
And what chaps my ass is a friend who purchased the same exact can as mine 1 serial number apart, from the same store, on the same day has his stamp back in hand and can in hand.
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Posted: 5/10/2019 11:41:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: chase45]
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Alright I guess Im gunna call my dealer and see if he has the stamp
I feel like it shoulda been there by now Im not very far from WV ETA Nope. Enough to make a person go insane |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2019 5:49:52 PM EDT
[#16]
What’s the number to call to check status? Over 300 days now figure it’s time to call.
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Posted: 5/12/2019 6:33:20 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd45c:
What’s the number to call to check status? Over 300 days now figure it’s time to call. It’s also on all the forms. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2019 7:28:22 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryFigured there was a certain number to call for status. Also didn’t touch a form since SS did it  . Thanks though.
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Posted: 5/12/2019 7:59:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd45c:
Figured there was a certain number to call for status. Also didn’t touch a form since SS did it . Thanks though.
No special number, other than the main line. |
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Posted: 5/12/2019 10:30:18 PM EDT
[#20]
Form4: Surefire Socom RC done through SS Kiosk.
Purchased: 17Mar18 Filed: 17Mar18 Check cashed: 2Apr18 Pending: 4Apr18 Approved: 1May19 Received: 11May19 Still have two pending...when I called last month I got the standard response that the “shut down” added 2-3 months for all submissions. |
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Posted: 5/13/2019 1:46:55 AM EDT
[#21]
I just bought my first machine gun , this thread is really depressing .
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Posted: 5/13/2019 10:08:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenSuiter:
Still have two pending...when I called last month I got the standard response that the "shut down" added 2-3 months for all submissions. I called this morning, I'm still pending, still not assigned to an examiner. Austin (nice guy), still puts the blame on the government shutdown. I was like "c'mon man, we both know that's not true." This isn't my first stamp, and it's not even my longest wait, but geez, this one pisses me off more than the others. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2019 2:42:50 PM EDT
[#23]
306 days since cashed, pending...no examiner assigned
Is there any sort of time frame on how long after an examiner is assign to approval or is that a shit show like the rest of the process? |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2019 3:34:00 PM EDT
[#24]
pretty sure the atf phone service could be automated and they could fire every person, they dont know anything more than a computer can tell us. waste of money imo
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2019 5:36:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd45c:
306 days since cashed, pending...no examiner assigned
Is there any sort of time frame on how long after an examiner is assign to approval or is that a shit show like the rest of the process? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 1:12:30 PM EDT
[#26]
Day 300.
Still not assigned an examiner. There is no reason this way should be anywhere near this long when an efile form 1 takes less than a month. A NICS takes 5 minutes on the phone at an FFL.... |
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Posted: 5/14/2019 2:54:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dragpo:
Day 300. Still not assigned an examiner. There is no reason this way should be anywhere near this long when an efile form 1 takes less than a month. A NICS takes 5 minutes on the phone at an FFL.... I have 2 that went pending on July 2nd, 2018. Something has clearly changed for the worse since right around that time. Because if you look at NFATracker.com, average wait times were down around 6 months back then. I seriously doubt it's more people buying suppressors. So if it's not that, then it has to be something on the ATF side that is now screwing everybody. Anyone have any clues? Because a 1+ year wait in this low-threat environment (Republican President and Senate) is insane because there's almost certainly reduced pressure to buy out of fear. |
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Posted: 5/14/2019 3:06:30 PM EDT
[#28]
Damn snail mail for the stamp is still killing me
They must put it on the ultra slow USPS shipping schedule or something |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 3:27:52 PM EDT
[#29]
Called and spoke to "Angela" today. She was in a hurry to get me off the phone.
I asked her if my application had been assigned to an examiner and she said "it's been assigned to a researcher but not an examiner". I asked what the difference was and she said researchers get the application before examiners do. I then told her that there were people who purchased theirs after I did who already have their stamps in hand, and she said that "sometimes it takes a long time". I asked what's the longest it could possibly take and she told me "we don't have a cap on that".
She also said it goes to a background check and that the background check is "very thorough" and not the same check as NICS. It went pending June 11, 2018 so I am very fucking close to a year and it hasn't even been assigned to an examiner yet. |
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Posted: 5/14/2019 3:44:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloencustoms:
Called and spoke to "Angela" today. She was in a hurry to get me off the phone.
I asked her if my application had been assigned to an examiner and she said "it's been assigned to a researcher but not an examiner". I asked what the difference was and she said researchers get the application before examiners do. I then told her that there were people who purchased theirs after I did who already have their stamps in hand, and she said that "sometimes it takes a long time". I asked what's the longest it could possibly take and she told me "we don't have a cap on that".
She also said it goes to a background check and that the background check is "very thorough" and not the same check as NICS. It went pending June 11, 2018 so I am very fucking close to a year and it hasn't even been assigned to an examiner yet. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 4:55:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jambalaya]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1911xdm:
That's kinda BS. It's the exact same check as NICS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1911xdm:
Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
Called and spoke to "Angela" today. She was in a hurry to get me off the phone.
I asked her if my application had been assigned to an examiner and she said "it's been assigned to a researcher but not an examiner". I asked what the difference was and she said researchers get the application before examiners do. I then told her that there were people who purchased theirs after I did who already have their stamps in hand, and she said that "sometimes it takes a long time". I asked what's the longest it could possibly take and she told me "we don't have a cap on that".
She also said it goes to a background check and that the background check is "very thorough" and not the same check as NICS. It went pending June 11, 2018 so I am very fucking close to a year and it hasn't even been assigned to an examiner yet. This is why 41p is so fucking bad. Before that there was no fingerprints, cleo involvement of any kind, and no BG check, you just got the paperwork processed and you were on your way. I thought going the individual route would be less of a hassle after 41p but noooooo. |
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Posted: 5/14/2019 5:23:18 PM EDT
[#32]
Now that I think about it, the guy I spoke with yesterday said something about a researcher as well.
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Posted: 5/14/2019 7:28:55 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloencustoms:
What got me is the "it's been assigned to a researcher" bit. WTH is that? I've never heard of "researchers", only examiners. What "research" needs to be done? You run the background check and then you make sure there are no errors in the paperwork. Maybe they are trying out some new system using contractors and I am one of the unlucky ones that is being experimented on? The thing that pisses me off is the fact that there are people who went pending after I did that have already received their stamps. Back when I bought it there was 6 months wait time. Back when it was around 9 months they told me wait times were 9 months. Now that we are at almost a year they tell me there is no cap on how long it can take? This is why 41p is so fucking bad. Before that there was no fingerprints, cleo involvement of any kind, and no BG check, you just got the paperwork processed and you were on your way. I thought going the individual route would be less of a hassle after 41p but noooooo. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 8:33:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gtscotty]
[#34]
I guess that means they got the contractors that were dropped during the shutdown hired back on and working. I wonder if they've filled the extra 25 .gov slots they got in the FY19 budget? There was also an extra $13.2M in there somewhere earmarked for reducing wait times. Maybe we're getting close to seeing times crest and start decreasing.
On the topic of approval times for June - July applications getting worse, wasn't that about when the SiCo BOGO happened? I figured at the time that that wave of purchases would probably have an effect on waits. Edit: Yep, the BOGO dates were 06/15/18 - 07/15/18, a lot of folks bought cans in that window, I'm guessing that isn't helping times. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 8:41:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1911xdm]
[#35]
Hit 200 days. Called them and they said 9+ months “cuz govmit sutdwn” I told the lady it was only shut down for 35 days why did the wait go up 3+ months now. Pretty dumb
Seeing you all past a year does not give me hope  Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2019 5:40:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1911xdm:
Hit 200 days. Called them and they said 9+ months “cuz govmit sutdwn” I told the lady it was only shut down for 35 days why did the wait go up 3+ months now. Pretty dumb Seeing you all past a year does not give me hope https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/296004/5CACB024-5416-4F19-A6FD-98F15177829B_png-945768.JPG The NFA examiners are allowed to work overtime. I've received e-mail correspondence from examiners timestamped in the middle of the night, on weekends and on holidays. During those 35 days there was no work, straight time nor overtime. No nights, weekends or holidays were worked during that period. That 35 days equated to a much greater loss of work hours for the examiners than routine eight hour days. I'm at 292 days on my Form 4 Individual, so I share your pain. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:04:03 PM EDT
[#37]
Serious question, and I apologize of it's been discussed here or elsewhere, has anyone considered starting a lawsuit against the ATF for the ridiculous wait times, lack of transparency, and failed process given the cost? I'd have to do some searching as to the legal precedent but I'm sure there could be an argument made around a reasonableness of approval time, more transparency in the process, and hard date for an approval or denial. $200 is not insignificant especially when you consider there is also sales tax on the products as well.
Think about how this would/could play out in the private sector. I'm fully aware we are not talking about the private sector, but this has become a pure shit show to the detriment of the tax paying citizens and industries. Any private sector process would result in the provider either going out of business or having to drastically retool the process to avoid going out of business. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2019 6:15:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JHorne:
Serious question, and I apologize of it's been discussed here or elsewhere, has anyone considered starting a lawsuit against the ATF for the ridiculous wait times, lack of transparency, and failed process given the cost? I'd have to do some searching as to the legal precedent but I'm sure there could be an argument made around a reasonableness of approval time, more transparency in the process, and hard date for an approval or denial. $200 is not insignificant especially when you consider there is also sales tax on the products as well. Think about how this would/could play out in the private sector. I'm fully aware we are not talking about the private sector, but this has become a pure shit show to the detriment of the tax paying citizens and industries. Any private sector process would result in the provider either going out of business or having to drastically retool the process to avoid going out of business. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2019 7:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JHorne:
Serious question, and I apologize of it's been discussed here or elsewhere, has anyone considered starting a lawsuit against the ATF for the ridiculous wait times, lack of transparency, and failed process given the cost? I'd have to do some searching as to the legal precedent but I'm sure there could be an argument made around a reasonableness of approval time, more transparency in the process, and hard date for an approval or denial. $200 is not insignificant especially when you consider there is also sales tax on the products as well. Think about how this would/could play out in the private sector. I'm fully aware we are not talking about the private sector, but this has become a pure shit show to the detriment of the tax paying citizens and industries. Any private sector process would result in the provider either going out of business or having to drastically retool the process to avoid going out of business. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2019 8:29:16 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Researches have been a part of the process for a long time. They're the contractors that do the grunt work on the forms until the examiner gives it the final Approval. A lot of the times you receive error letters, they come from the researches who catch the obvious errors. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
What got me is the "it's been assigned to a researcher" bit. WTH is that? I've never heard of "researchers", only examiners. What "research" needs to be done? You run the background check and then you make sure there are no errors in the paperwork. Maybe they are trying out some new system using contractors and I am one of the unlucky ones that is being experimented on? The thing that pisses me off is the fact that there are people who went pending after I did that have already received their stamps. Back when I bought it there was 6 months wait time. Back when it was around 9 months they told me wait times were 9 months. Now that we are at almost a year they tell me there is no cap on how long it can take? This is why 41p is so fucking bad. Before that there was no fingerprints, cleo involvement of any kind, and no BG check, you just got the paperwork processed and you were on your way. I thought going the individual route would be less of a hassle after 41p but noooooo.
I'd like to think that "assigned to a researcher" means it's close to the end of the application process. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 9:00:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloencustoms:
So at what stage of the process is "assigned to a researcher"? Does this mean it is likely to be "researched" and then "assigned to an examiner" soon? Or do applications get "assigned to researchers" as soon as they go pending and then just sit in a cardboard box for a year on the floor in the researcher's cubicle?
I'd like to think that "assigned to a researcher" means it's close to the end of the application process. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2019 9:54:48 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
I don't know exactly when in the timeframe...but I'd agree it's close to the end. Once your stack is pulled out of a box, I don't believe the rest takes much time. Most of your wait is simply waiting for the top to come off the right box. Back when seeing suppressors out in the wild was rare, it wasn't so bad waiting. But now that everyone has them, waiting to get yours is so much more frustrating! You feel like everyone else is having all the fun.
This will be my second, and my first centerfire suppressor so I am really looking forward to it. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 7:40:17 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chase45:
Damn snail mail for the stamp is still killing me
They must put it on the ultra slow USPS shipping schedule or something Who was your examiner? I finally got my form 4, it was post marked 31 calander days after approval. Approved 4/9 received 5/15. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 8:22:19 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1911xdm:
Hit 200 days. Called them and they said 9+ months “cuz govmit sutdwn” I told the lady it was only shut down for 35 days why did the wait go up 3+ months now. Pretty dumb Seeing you all past a year does not give me hope https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/296004/5CACB024-5416-4F19-A6FD-98F15177829B_png-945768.JPG If I were you, I'd stop checking in here. It's clear that approvals will be 365+ days in short order. Some already are. Sorry to burst your bubble. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2019 8:35:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: Aside from the fact there is zero chance against winning against the government, what would be the matter of law that the ATF is violating? Inconvenience? There is no law requiring them to be fast or efficient. Applaud the thought, but there’s nothing there. If the ATF put one part time examiner in the NFA section and moved everyone else somewhere else so as to cause wait times to soar into the decades, would that violate applicant's second amendment rights? It seems like it to me, if you purchased an SBR (not prohibited by law, should enjoy 2nd amendment protections) and then basically couldn't take possession of it in your lifetime, you'd have a defacto prohibition on a legal item. At what point does the delay to the enjoyment of right driven by the mismanagement of government organizations become an infringement in the eyes of the courts? Not sure, but with the wait times ever increasing lately, I wonder if we are getting close to the type of timeframe that could fuel a successful legal challenge. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 1:09:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chase45]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grn_zx6r: @chase45 Who was your examiner? I finally got my form 4, it was post marked 31 calander days after approval. Approved 4/9 received 5/15. Its really hard to give the ATF a break when they pull shit like this, its hedging on abusive treatment really Steven Mcrates(sp) |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 1:22:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chase45]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gtscotty: Negative, various parts of the government lose in court all the time. If the ATF put one part time examiner in the NFA section and moved everyone else somewhere else so as to cause wait times to soar into the decades, would that violate applicant's second amendment rights? It seems like it to me, if you purchased an SBR (not prohibited by law, should enjoy 2nd amendment protections) and then basically couldn't take possession of it in your lifetime, you'd have a defacto prohibition on a legal item. At what point does the delay to the enjoyment of right driven by the mismanagement of government organizations become an infringement in the eyes of the courts? Not sure, but with the wait times ever increasing lately, I wonder if we are getting close to the type of timeframe that could fuel a successful legal challenge. A year plus( Im at a year and 5 months since purchase and still no can) makes me want to go get some pitch forks. Im a reasonable guy, Im pissed, other people waiting are pissed, hell even my Gfs mom who doesn't think people should be able to own semi autos thinks this timeline and treatment is absurd. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 1:23:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chase45]
[#48]
double tap
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/17/2019 9:00:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JHorne]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gtscotty: Negative, various parts of the government lose in court all the time. If the ATF put one part time examiner in the NFA section and moved everyone else somewhere else so as to cause wait times to soar into the decades, would that violate applicant's second amendment rights? It seems like it to me, if you purchased an SBR (not prohibited by law, should enjoy 2nd amendment protections) and then basically couldn't take possession of it in your lifetime, you'd have a defacto prohibition on a legal item. At what point does the delay to the enjoyment of right driven by the mismanagement of government organizations become an infringement in the eyes of the courts? Not sure, but with the wait times ever increasing lately, I wonder if we are getting close to the type of timeframe that could fuel a successful legal challenge. Let's take the gun/second amendment portion out of this and try it another way. If you filed your taxes and were due a refund, even if only a hundred or so dollars, and the federal government took a year and a half to send you the funds, would you be angry as hell? Absolutely. It's a similar situation in that this is essentially a process of paperwork review and processing. What is the ATF actually doing? Validating your paperwork is filled out correctly, running a background check (I am sure facilitated by a third party), and then creating some unique documentation related to issuing the approval/stamp. What part of that process extends the length of the entire process for it to take 9 months total? Or a year or more? If the answer is that the process is so long because the number of applications cause there to be delays in the process STARTING for any given application, and that each inspector or stakeholder in the process is so overwhelmed they cannot adequately follow up on any given part of the application to which they are assigned in a reasonable time, then that is completely unacceptable. What if you all had to wait a year and a half to process your driver's license? Driving is a privilege, not a right (like some may argue the 2nd amendment provides for can ownership). Take the gun/gun accessory ownership out of this and you start to see how this is a complete failure. And I am not advocating for a relaxed process in this arguement, just adherence to a reasonable process and timeline. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/17/2019 1:58:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JHorne:
This was in line with my thinking. Much of the legal system relies on a standard of reasonableness and in this case, I am sure there is a reasonableness to the execution of this process in the eyes of an average citizen. When you map out the process, that is what the ATF actually has to do to review and analyze the applications, the wait times are completely unjustified. Combine that with what is reasonable in terms of expectations for follow up and things like mentioned above with regards to timeliness of mailing approval documentation, etc, I think there is grounds for legal action. Let's take the gun/second amendment portion out of this and try it another way. If you filed your taxes and were due a refund, even if only a hundred or so dollars, and the federal government took a year and a half to send you the funds, would you be angry as hell? Absolutely. It's a similar situation in that this is essentially a process of paperwork review and processing. What is the ATF actually doing? Validating your paperwork is filled out correctly, running a background check (I am sure facilitated by a third party), and then creating some unique documentation related to issuing the approval/stamp. What part of that process extends the length of the entire process for it to take 9 months total? Or a year or more? If the answer is that the process is so long because the number of applications cause there to be delays in the process STARTING for any given application, and that each inspector or stakeholder in the process is so overwhelmed they cannot adequately follow up on any given part of the application to which they are assigned in a reasonable time, then that is completely unacceptable. What if you all had to wait a year and a half to process your driver's license? Driving is a privilege, not a right (like some may argue the 2nd amendment provides for can ownership). Take the gun/gun accessory ownership out of this and you start to see how this is a complete failure. And I am not advocating for a relaxed process in this arguement, just adherence to a reasonable process and timeline. |
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