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Posted: 10/3/2017 5:59:34 PM EDT
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Mine is very reliable with good mags. With sub sonic ammo and my Viper9 suppressor, the gun almost makes more noise than the bullets buts it's hella nasty with gas and dirt coming out the back end and ejection port.
There is a tacked thread ETA: here you go 
https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/M11-owners-reliable-guns-/22-213538/ |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 6:41:08 PM EDT
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I've got about a dozen or so tax stamps, but no FA. I think its about that time. I'll want a lage upper, but not sure which one. How reliable are these guns and how well do they suppress? I'd want one in 9mm with the ability to run a .22 conversion. Which model should I look for, and what is the going rate? What are the popular places to shop? I don't mind holding out a few months for the right deal, but I have cash. TIA! Update the post if you find what your looking for, I'm in the same situation. Edit: minus 11 stamps. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 9:45:43 PM EDT
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Generally speaking holding out on machine guns isn't something I'd do for long as the prices can end up going up making it cost more.
You want a m11 in 9mm from what you are describing. The mac 10 doesn't really have good 22 conversion options. Check subguns, sturmgewehr, nfasales, david spiwak etc for them. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 10:05:01 PM EDT
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M11 nine is what you want. John Thedford at NFAsales is where I purchased one. Don't wait.
Like someone here said "you can never pay too much for a machine gun, you can only pay it too soon." |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 1:40:28 PM EDT
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I would go for a M11/9, a hair bit more expensive but they are smaller and lighter weight than the M10 which is like shooting a brick.
I went with the Lage Max-11k as I already have a longer rifle caliber MG so I wanted something compact and light weight. Lage uppers are top notch and take the mac from a 1980s gun coke dealers used to a modern SMG that is probably on par with an Uzi or MP5 but at a fraction of the cost. Also with the Mage Max-11/15 coming out you will have the option for a 5.56 upper. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 3:33:23 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info everyone. It sounds like M11/9 is what I want. What's the trick to getting a good deal on one?
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Posted: 10/4/2017 4:45:05 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info everyone. It sounds like M11/9 is what I want. What's the trick to getting a good deal on one? |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 4:50:44 PM EDT
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Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://mtmmfg.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/class-iii-full-auto/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 8:46:32 PM EDT
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http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=29514&query=retrievalhttp://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=29514&query=retrieval
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Posted: 10/5/2017 12:28:28 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info everyone. It sounds like M11/9 is what I want. What's the trick to getting a good deal on one? 1. Surf the web and compete with a bunch of folks who are doing the same thing. 2. Go over to subguns and start making phone calls down the RDL. You never know if there is a legitimate non-internet dealer out there who has an M11/9 they just have not bothered to post for sale or has one incoming. If you are there on the phone and offer them a fair price you might just shave off $500 to $1000 or so from the normal inflated internet pricing as dealers expect to deal with a myraid of tire tickers and low ball offers. What you are looking for isnt super exotic so I would be shocked if you didnt find at least a couple M11/9s for sale. 3. Post a WTB ad on Sturmgewehr or Subguns with a want to buy ad for an M11/9. Put the conditions that you want one that is already in your State (OK.) and you are going to come and visit it and pay in person. That should pretty much weed out 99% of the scammers. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 5:46:44 PM EDT
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I've got about a dozen or so tax stamps, but no FA. I think its about that time. I'll want a lage upper, but not sure which one. How reliable are these guns and how well do they suppress? I'd want one in 9mm with the ability to run a .22 conversion. Which model should I look for, and what is the going rate? What are the popular places to shop? I don't mind holding out a few months for the right deal, but I have cash. TIA! You do not want a MAC then, you want an SWD M-11/Nine. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 11:06:00 PM EDT
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OP -- the guys above said it best. Based on your comments, an M11/9 + Lage will not disappoint. In fact, you will be absolutely thrilled. It will quite possibly (and very likely) become the best firearm-related purchase you've ever made and will probably lead to more MGs. They are well worth the coin and the wait. Fo and fo hard.
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Posted: 10/6/2017 12:20:26 PM EDT
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Sounds like M11/9 is what you're after... as everyone said.
In response to finding a good deal-- don't. If you can afford it and it's reasonable price, do it. Find one at a fair price... "Good deals" on MGs are more an opportunity thing. "What... this shop has a new 76 for $3K? Yeah, I'm buying that NOW." By the time a "deal" is circulated in the internet, someone else has probably already jumped on it. If you hunt for a deal, you could end up spending quite a bit more. I turned down plenty of M11/9 and M11A1 because $3400 was crazy talk. I'm not going over $3000." I turned down 3 Colt M16s for 13K each because it was an "ok deal, but not really a GREAT deal." Right now is a good time to buy. It's looking like this 5.56 upper is about to happen as well... which could potentially cause M11/9 prices to jump substantially. It would be a AR barrel, AR mag, AR hand-guard 5.56 or 300 Blackout machine gun for under 10K. |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 12:45:26 PM EDT
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Sounds like M11/9 is what you're after... as everyone said. In response to finding a good deal-- don't. If you can afford it and it's reasonable price, do it. Find one at a fair price... "Good deals" on MGs are more an opportunity thing. "What... this shop has a new 76 for $3K? Yeah, I'm buying that NOW." By the time a "deal" is circulated in the internet, someone else has probably already jumped on it. If you hunt for a deal, you could end up spending quite a bit more. I turned down plenty of M11/9 and M11A1 because $3400 was crazy talk. I'm not going over $3000." I turned down 3 Colt M16s for 13K each because it was an "ok deal, but not really a GREAT deal." Right now is a good time to buy. It's looking like this 5.56 upper is about to happen as well... which could potentially cause M11/9 prices to jump substantially. It would be a AR barrel, AR mag, AR hand-guard 5.56 or 300 Blackout machine gun for under 10K. Follow the Tony_K strategy of buying 6 months early. I buy a lot from Ruben. Do I pay more? Yep. Is it a hassle free transaction? Yep. Does it bother me now that I bought M16 from him for $12K? A MP5 for $7500? A MAC for $1500? DIAS for $15K? Nope. and I overpaid vs current market price on all of these. |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 9:21:45 PM EDT
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Sounds like M11/9 is what you're after... as everyone said. In response to finding a good deal-- don't. If you can afford it and it's reasonable price, do it. Find one at a fair price... "Good deals" on MGs are more an opportunity thing. "What... this shop has a new 76 for $3K? Yeah, I'm buying that NOW." By the time a "deal" is circulated in the internet, someone else has probably already jumped on it. If you hunt for a deal, you could end up spending quite a bit more. I turned down plenty of M11/9 and M11A1 because $3400 was crazy talk. I'm not going over $3000." I turned down 3 Colt M16s for 13K each because it was an "ok deal, but not really a GREAT deal." Right now is a good time to buy. It's looking like this 5.56 upper is about to happen as well... which could potentially cause M11/9 prices to jump substantially. It would be a AR barrel, AR mag, AR hand-guard 5.56 or 300 Blackout machine gun for under 10K. |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 9:33:51 PM EDT
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Yea I have a feeling when those uppers come to market the price is going to jump up on the m11/9. |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 9:48:13 PM EDT
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Everyone keeps saying this...but wouldn't the price have already jumped? When that upper is in peoples hands though? I'm betting the m11 is going to jump in price again. Lage is one of the reasons they have gone up in price already. |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 9:57:19 AM EDT
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Market has actually been a little soft since the election. I'm guessing 41f has something to do with it as well with the really long waits. When that upper is in peoples hands though? I'm betting the m11 is going to jump in price again. Lage is one of the reasons they have gone up in price already. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone keeps saying this...but wouldn't the price have already jumped? When that upper is in peoples hands though? I'm betting the m11 is going to jump in price again. Lage is one of the reasons they have gone up in price already. I just find it strange that the price hasn't moved at all on M11/9s if there really is that much interest in the 5.56 upper. |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 11:59:37 AM EDT
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Definitely a soft market right now. I'm thinking about buying a second machine gun and I'm still waiting on my first that I bought 13 months ago. I just find it strange that the price hasn't moved at all on M11/9s if there really is that much interest in the 5.56 upper. 
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Posted: 10/7/2017 3:48:11 PM EDT
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I love my max11k upper but there are other options as well. I just took mine out today to run my new cf-w bolt (tungsten bolt) in my m11/nine. Such a smooth slow rate of fire around 600-650rpm. It’s nice because you can make it a super small package with the oem or other aftermarket upper to run whatever you want. The great thing about the m11/nine is the aftermarket support with people like Lage and others. Great purchase for sure!
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Posted: 10/7/2017 7:28:28 PM EDT
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I just find it strange that the price hasn't moved at all on M11/9s if there really is that much interest in the 5.56 upper. I'm not sure if Lage has gotten the atf approval yet(where they say the new device isn't a firearm by itself) but you also have production problems. When those start shipping I expect the guns to go up in value again. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 9:49:41 PM EDT
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I've got about a dozen or so tax stamps, but no FA. I think its about that time. I'll want a lage upper, but not sure which one. How reliable are these guns and how well do they suppress? I'd want one in 9mm with the ability to run a .22 conversion. Which model should I look for, and what is the going rate? What are the popular places to shop? I don't mind holding out a few months for the right deal, but I have cash. TIA! I have one. My recommendation is: DONT. I love mine, it's fun. I wish had an M16. When I got mine, MACs were $2500-$3000. M16 RR's were $12000-$15000. Should've bought the M16. Get an M16. You get about 12 months to pay down off the debt from it waiting for approval - longer if you have a better financing option. If you decide not to heed my advice, at the very least plan to order a Lage Kit when you submit the paperwork. Get a dedicated can for it too. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 10:10:37 PM EDT
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I love my max11k upper but there are other options as well. I just took mine out today to run my new cf-w bolt (tungsten bolt) in my m11/nine. Such a smooth slow rate of fire around 600-650rpm. It’s nice because you can make it a super small package with the oem or other aftermarket upper to run whatever you want. The great thing about the m11/nine is the aftermarket support with people like Lage and others. Great purchase for sure! http://i68.tinypic.com/358ozlz.jpg Please tell me where you got that Tungsten Bolt, Folding Stock, Foregrip and sight mount. Do they make an 850rpm bolt option? Message me if you don't want to post up here. Also.. Is that sten-converted? |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 1:11:02 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info everyone. It sounds like M11/9 is what I want. What's the trick to getting a good deal on one? The supply of MGs is microscopic. At any given time there might be none of the gun you want for sale in the entire USA. Some guys will stumble across a fantastic deal and snatch it up. Most guys will just pay the full retail or gunbroker price and call it good Some guys will hold out for a deal like they're buying a car stereo and miss the boat, end up paying another 10% or 20% next year. I've seen the price of certain MGs go up 30% in just a few months. make sure you verify that the deal is legitimate. there are scammers at work. I suggested one time that buyers get a cell phone video of the gun and paperwork before sending the check, since a video would be very hard to fake. that idea was scoffed at, some guys here say wouldn't sell to such a buyer I say that sending a $20,000 check to a stranger with no verification is the act of a moron people have been, and will continue to be ripped off if you think there is some department of the FBI waiting to go roaring out into the night to get your money back, you are mistaken when people buy expensive jewelry over the internet, they use an escrow service, but no such thing exists for NFA gun purchases another alternative to a video is to see the gun in person or buy from an established dealer |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 1:17:54 AM EDT
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I have one. My recommendation is: DONT. I love mine, it's fun. I wish had an M16. When I got mine, MACs were $2500-$3000. M16 RR's were $12000-$15000. Should've bought the M16. Get an M16. You get about 12 months to pay down off the debt from it waiting for approval - longer if you have a better financing option. If you decide not to heed my advice, at the very least plan to order a Lage Kit when you submit the paperwork. Get a dedicated can for it too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got about a dozen or so tax stamps, but no FA. I think its about that time. I'll want a lage upper, but not sure which one. How reliable are these guns and how well do they suppress? I'd want one in 9mm with the ability to run a .22 conversion. Which model should I look for, and what is the going rate? What are the popular places to shop? I don't mind holding out a few months for the right deal, but I have cash. TIA! I have one. My recommendation is: DONT. I love mine, it's fun. I wish had an M16. When I got mine, MACs were $2500-$3000. M16 RR's were $12000-$15000. Should've bought the M16. Get an M16. You get about 12 months to pay down off the debt from it waiting for approval - longer if you have a better financing option. If you decide not to heed my advice, at the very least plan to order a Lage Kit when you submit the paperwork. Get a dedicated can for it too. I don't think it makes sense to recommend to every MG buyer that he needs to get an M16 the M16 is one of the iconic blue-chip MGs that get the most interest, like the Thompson, UZI and MP5 but if a guy has his heart set on a MP40, it doesn't make any sense to tell him to buy an M16 that he has no interest in. I had a mint, nearly unfired Colt M16A1 and I sold it, I didn't care about it. It just didn't grab my interest. |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 6:00:03 AM EDT
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I love my max11k upper but there are other options as well. I just took mine out today to run my new cf-w bolt (tungsten bolt) in my m11/nine. Such a smooth slow rate of fire around 600-650rpm. It’s nice because you can make it a super small package with the oem or other aftermarket upper to run whatever you want. The great thing about the m11/nine is the aftermarket support with people like Lage and others. Great purchase for sure! http://i68.tinypic.com/358ozlz.jpg My M11s are NIB I really to not want to breah their cherry. I do have 10/9 double feed, mac11 a1 380, and 10/45s Are there bolts for the uncommon Macs? |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 8:52:27 AM EDT
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I've been living under a rock... That's gorgeous. IMO, Much cooler than my Gen1 MAX-11 Lage kit. Please tell me where you got that Tungsten Bolt, Folding Stock, Foregrip and sight mount. Do they make an 850rpm bolt option? Message me if you don't want to post up here. Also.. Is that sten-converted? |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:48:46 PM EDT
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The mag is a zmag if that's what youre referring too, they are for sale on lage website, I have a couple, they are really high quality, only thing is they are steel so very heavy. they weigh 0.5lbs empty 1.3lbs loaded. 
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Posted: 10/20/2017 11:05:59 PM EDT
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What's the likelihood of the 5.56 uppers coming to fruition?
I like the idea of a price jump before I sell mine. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 9:16:27 AM EDT
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What's the likelihood of the 5.56 uppers coming to fruition? I like the idea of a price jump before I sell mine. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 5:43:29 PM EDT
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I would say highly likely, it appears lage has been take the project pretty seriously, there is info on their website and YouTube videos of them shooting prototypes. With they said I think some of the value of a 5.56 upper might already be factored into the price as they have are a big jump in price in the last few years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the likelihood of the 5.56 uppers coming to fruition? I like the idea of a price jump before I sell mine. Re: price jump... yes, M11 prices have risen in the last couple years but that isn't due to Lage's new 5.56 offering -- it was just announced earlier this year. That said, it appears M11 asking prices have climbed since Lage made the announcement. |
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Posted: 10/22/2017 3:03:06 PM EDT
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I've been living under a rock... That's gorgeous. IMO, Much cooler than my Gen1 MAX-11 Lage kit. Please tell me where you got that Tungsten Bolt, Folding Stock, Foregrip and sight mount. Do they make an 850rpm bolt option? Message me if you don't want to post up here. Also.. Is that sten-converted? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 2:46:17 PM EDT
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Mine was boringly reliable. I used it a lot with a Macjack. It was a hoot. Some 1986 guns did not have frame reinforcements installed due to the rush to assemble. remember you are looking at a 30 year old gun. I bought a full set of spares and never used them. I heard all sorts of stories of parts failures and never had a one. It left me and still had the flat charging handle. Get a better stock. I had a friend who fabricated an adapter to use an Uzi stock on my M-11/9 it worked great.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 7:40:41 PM EDT
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Mine was boringly reliable. I used it a lot with a Macjack. It was a hoot. Some 1986 guns did not have frame reinforcements installed due to the rush to assemble. remember you are looking at a 30 year old gun. I bought a full set of spares and never used them. I heard all sorts of stories of parts failures and never had a one. It left me and still had the flat charging handle. Get a better stock. I had a friend who fabricated an adapter to use an Uzi stock on my M-11/9 it worked great. Mine has a little piece of sheet metal welded along the inside around the front (where the front takedown pin goes). Is this the reinforcement? Because other than this thing and the feed lip part welded into the middle, there's nothing else. Agreed on the stock. Not only is the wire stock have terrible ergonomics (albeit ultra cool looking), using the factory stock means all of the recoil gets put into the back plate welds of the receiver because the factory wire stock mounts to the bottom of the receiver through the back plate holes... but the bolt and spring recoil into the back plate. So the force has to go into the back plate, through the welds, and then into the rest of the receiver you're holding onto. Eventually, welds can crack... One of mine did. The Lage cheap plastic stock is great. It slips on the back of the receiver and all of the recoil should go right thought the backplate INTO the stock and then to your shoulder - sparing the welds on the back plate. Actually, any stock that rests against the back of the receiver should do this, but I really like Lage's one piece plastic stock - it's cheap, looks good, and works. I replaced the stock Lage mounting screw with my own recessed thumb screw so it can be installed by hand in a couple seconds. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 8:29:49 AM EDT
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When you say "frame reinforcement", what are you referring to? Mine has a little piece of sheet metal welded along the inside around the front (where the front takedown pin goes). Is this the reinforcement? Because other than this thing and the feed lip part welded into the middle, there's nothing else. Agreed on the stock. Not only is the wire stock have terrible ergonomics (albeit ultra cool looking), using the factory stock means all of the recoil gets put into the back plate welds of the receiver because the factory wire stock mounts to the bottom of the receiver through the back plate holes... but the bolt and spring recoil into the back plate. So the force has to go into the back plate, through the welds, and then into the rest of the receiver you're holding onto. Eventually, welds can crack... One of mine did. The Lage cheap plastic stock is great. It slips on the back of the receiver and all of the recoil should go right thought the backplate INTO the stock and then to your shoulder - sparing the welds on the back plate. Actually, any stock that rests against the back of the receiver should do this, but I really like Lage's one piece plastic stock - it's cheap, looks good, and works. I replaced the stock Lage mounting screw with my own recessed thumb screw so it can be installed by hand in a couple seconds. There is a frame reinforcement in the rear of the gun on the back plate of the receiver. It was not installed on a lot of 86 dated guns due to time constraints. I have seen a few Macs bent outward and with welds cracked in the rear. The good news is it is sheet metal and can be fixed. I always avoided hot ammo in my Macs for this reason. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:23:34 PM EDT
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There is a frame reinforcement in the rear of the gun on the back plate of the receiver. It was not installed on a lot of 86 dated guns due to time constraints. I have seen a few Macs bent outward and with welds cracked in the rear. The good news is it is sheet metal and can be fixed. I always avoided hot ammo in my Macs for this reason. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 1:55:24 PM EDT
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The $1800 (plus stamps) I paid for my M11/9 and CkAC- 9 can in 2012 was well worth it. I also added a Lage upper.
I can't say I'd shell out what they're asking these days, but it's a pretty respectable subgun. |
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Posted: 1/25/2018 9:44:42 AM EDT
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Mac damage can be repaired by Sam at practical solutions if you ever get a cracked weld. Don't worry about it.
Run a new buffer in the back to avoid damaging the frame. I have the factory, Lage MAX 11 and MAX 31 uppers and 90 percent of the time run the 31. 70 round drums are just more fun than a stick mag. Get a lula loader for the PAM2 or zmags you will run. Single stack mags with strong springs are not fun if loading by hand. If you reload tune your reloads to run by only sending the bolt back enough to clear the sear and not slam into the rear. Don't run hot reloads or factory loads. Don't slam mags into the magwell or you will bend your ejector rod. Zmags have a mag stop iirc. PAM2s do not. I have a ton of PAM mags and they usually run perfect right out of the box. There is a tutorial on how to tune the mags by cutting back the lips if needed. Tons of info including a form on uzitalk that helps a ton. I still want a tungsten bolt with a HK sight / red dot to try out. Be great to have a compact package that isn't a bullet hose. Don't worry about spending a few hundred extra. I paid more for mine years ago and made back the money in a year due to appreciation. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 1:53:35 PM EDT
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What is the going rate right now for a good condition M-11/9? I haven't seen much below $8k on dealer websites unfortunately. I was budgeting $6500 but that may be a pipe dream. Some of the auctions that include a Lage upper for $8500 might not be too bad of a deal but too much coin for me.
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:40:52 PM EDT
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What is the going rate right now for a good condition M-11/9? I haven't seen much below $8k on dealer websites unfortunately. I was budgeting $6500 but that may be a pipe dream. Some of the auctions that include a Lage upper for $8500 might not be too bad of a deal but too much coin for me. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:54:47 PM EDT
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What is the going rate right now for a good condition M-11/9? I haven't seen much below $8k on dealer websites unfortunately. I was budgeting $6500 but that may be a pipe dream. Some of the auctions that include a Lage upper for $8500 might not be too bad of a deal but too much coin for me. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 5:37:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Contact Frank at Midwest tactical, they usually have a couple around $7k at any time. I wouldn't wait to long on a deal for an M11, with the Max11/15 coming out they are going up in value quick. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 7:16:30 PM EDT
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Check with John Thedford at NFA Sales. He had the best price of all the dealer's when I purchased.
http://www.nfasales.com/nfawp/ |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 12:20:43 AM EDT
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$6-$6.5k is doable but you’d have to get extremely lucky and or have an inside line on one.
Private sales seem to be hovering between $7.5-8.5k and dealers are asking $8-9k for stock guns. Wild. There was/is an MK2-equipped 11 on GB last week with a buy it now for $15k (dealer). Whose paying that kind of premium (15k) right now, I don’t know. I learned early on from the MG-veterans here that timing is everything. I do think 9mm Lage’d 11s will command $10K+ sooner rather than later, and I don’t think it’s crazy to think that M11/15s will get a couple grand more. And I have a sneaking suspicion that a Lage 7.62-variant could be down the road. All speculation, but someday, I don’t see any MGs priced under ten grand. I know I’m not alone when I say that I’m beyond grateful for what Richard (and Jackie) have done for the platform in terms of functionality, value, parts availability and customer service. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 9:09:16 AM EDT
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What was it someone said? You can't pay too much for a machine gun, you can only pay it too soon.
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:26:05 AM EDT
[#46]
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Check with John Thedford at NFA Sales. He had the best price of all the dealer's when I purchased. http://www.nfasales.com/nfawp/ There are some high Buy It Now's on GunBroker that's for sure. One guy even has a pair of Semi's for $17k, hah. Midwest Tactical says they have an M-11/9 coming in but it's a Powder Springs gun. Aren't all Powder Spring guns Mac-10's? |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:54:26 AM EDT
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I have spoken with him. He has one in stock but it's NIB and above my budget. I am contemplating a Mac-10 as well but only if it's a good bit cheaper. There are some high Buy It Now's on GunBroker that's for sure. One guy even has a pair of Semi's for $17k, hah. Midwest Tactical says they have an M-11/9 coming in but it's a Powder Springs gun. Aren't all Powder Spring guns Mac-10's? |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:56:01 AM EDT
[#48]
Theres one on the EE now.
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Posted: 2/28/2018 11:57:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't rush into buying an M11/9. They are the most common individual transferable on the registry and pop up constantly. The market for certain transferables is softer now than it has been in the past (although that could quickly change.) The going rate for a stock M11/9 is in the $7-8k neighborhood. Anywhere within that spread and you should feel comfortable. I saw a local one with Lage mk2 upper ($750 value) go for $6.7k, so deals are out there locally as well. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 12:44:33 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info. I'm trying to avoid jumping on something I will regret but they aren't getting any cheaper. Really kicking myself for not buying 6 years ago instead of all the mainstream crap I purchased. I need to look locally as well. If it's in state I have to pay tax but overall the transfer process will be quicker I believe due to one less stamp. I believe state tax could be around $600 though, $400 delta. I did buy a 1985 M11/9 a few years later for $4.3k. That was a fair price at the time, perhaps a tad bit high. But the seller was a local well established dealer with decades in the industry and an indoor range so I could play with my new toy while waiting (and the wait was substantial, back then it was 10+ months.) Inspection before purchase, not having to deal with shipping or an additional transfer, not to mentioned the reduced wait time means a lot to me. Now I don't think about the few hundred I might have overpaid, especially when shooting. This was it the day I bought it followed by how I have it setup now. As you can see they are incredibly versatile thanks largely to Lage. 
I'd suggest calling local dealers, telling them exactly what you want and that you are a motivated buyer with funds ready to proceed (assuming that is true.) Good deals move quickly, so you need to be ready to move quickly, although quickly is not the same as rush...do you due diligence. Look for cracks in welds especially at the rear plate, and egging in the front takedown pin. If it had a Sten mag conversion done check the area around the welds for excess stress and other issues incidental to welding/rewelding. Check the feedramp for cracks in the welds. If it's an '86 gun double check all of the aforementioned - these guns were often rushed into production to meet the May 19th cutoff so are known for having a higher incidence of issues (my friend's '86 experienced issues.) |
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