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Posted: 2/4/2018 7:41:18 PM EDT
[#1]
Looks nice. As a Tavor owner I'm not sure if I see the benefits to a 308 bullpen. It doesn't seem like a great long range platform. If I want a short range/compact weapon I think I'd just stick with the 5.56 or 9mm versions.
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Posted: 2/4/2018 10:27:25 PM EDT
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I'm in, weighting to see one in person.
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Posted: 2/5/2018 9:17:17 PM EDT
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Lots of info posted a few topics down: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Tavor-7-at-shot/43-485827/
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Posted: 2/11/2018 3:13:36 AM EDT
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Looks nice. As a Tavor owner I'm not sure if I see the benefits to a 308 bullpen. It doesn't seem like a great long range platform. If I want a short range/compact weapon I think I'd just stick with the 5.56 or 9mm versions. |
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Posted: 2/12/2018 11:33:24 PM EDT
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Anyone confirm it is actually free floated yet? Rep said yes, then no, then silence.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 12:55:33 AM EDT
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Anyone confirm it is actually free floated yet? Rep said yes, then no, then silence. Hammer-forged, chrome-lined, free-floating barrel, for enhanced accuracy & life cycle https://iwi.net/tavor/tavor-7/ |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 5:04:00 PM EDT
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Very cool features. Will have one.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 8:58:53 PM EDT
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Very cool features. Will have one. Again, this is subjective and opinions will vary, but I still urge you to handle one before buying. |
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Posted: 2/14/2018 5:03:22 AM EDT
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Anyone know if they'll end up making a free float 5.56 version?
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Posted: 2/14/2018 1:25:18 PM EDT
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Anyone know if they'll end up making a free float 5.56 version? |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 12:09:03 AM EDT
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One can only hope. For a long time now I've imagined a Tavor w/ free-floated, heavier-profiled but fluted barrel, field adjustable gas block w/ an "off" setting, charging handle and mag release from X95, and slightly raised OEM 1913 rail so that AR mounts will be perfect height. If it was a 223 Wylde chamber that would be even better. Cram all of that into a single gun, knock a pound off the SAR's weight, and call it the Tavor DMR, X95 DMR, or something like that. I don't care about being able to switch right to left hand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone know if they'll end up making a free float 5.56 version? |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 1:15:17 AM EDT
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Anyone know if they'll end up making a free float 5.56 version? I like my rifles lightweight, short, reliable, and accurate. One day a bullpup will excel at all, but for now I’ll stick to my precision SBRs and get those traits at the cost of some range (not a big deal when hunting in Oklahoma). |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 1:18:38 AM EDT
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One can only hope. For a long time now I've imagined a Tavor w/ free-floated, heavier-profiled but fluted barrel, field adjustable gas block w/ an "off" setting, charging handle and mag release from X95, and slightly raised OEM 1913 rail so that AR mounts will be perfect height. If it was a 223 Wylde chamber that would be even better. Cram all of that into a single gun, knock a pound off the SAR's weight, and call it the Tavor DMR, X95 DMR, or something like that. I don't care about being able to switch right to left hand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone know if they'll end up making a free float 5.56 version? |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 3:52:21 AM EDT
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More accurate rifles are always a good thing, but I have to think IWI feels like the Tavor fills its niche well enough that the redesigns necessary aren't cost effective for the money they'd make. I know they can make an accurate rifle, but would be surprised if we saw a Tavor redesign that wasn't began as a military request. I like my rifles lightweight, short, reliable, and accurate. One day a bullpup will excel at all, but for now I'll stick to my precision SBRs and get those traits at the cost of some range (not a big deal when hunting in Oklahoma). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone know if they'll end up making a free float 5.56 version? I like my rifles lightweight, short, reliable, and accurate. One day a bullpup will excel at all, but for now I'll stick to my precision SBRs and get those traits at the cost of some range (not a big deal when hunting in Oklahoma). |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 1:34:27 PM EDT
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Looks nice. As a Tavor owner I'm not sure if I see the benefits to a 308 bullpen. It doesn't seem like a great long range platform. If I want a short range/compact weapon I think I'd just stick with the 5.56 or 9mm versions. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 7:14:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure others will disagree, but after handling the T7 at GAOS last week, I would urge you to handle one first before you buy. To me, it felt awkward when shouldered; the buttplate had some light texturing that did nothing to keep it from sliding around on my shoulder (was wearing a nylon shelled fleece lined jacket), the buttplate was pretty much vertical with no rake, and the whole thing made me feel like I was shouldering a 2x6 plank. The trigger was decent, though the plastic felt odd; not the feel of the AUG or the MDR that I've handled in the past, and certainly not like the polymer used on AR furniture. Again, this is subjective and opinions will vary, but I still urge you to handle one before buying. Manticore arms will make a different buttpad for it that will resolve those problems (I assume) |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 10:25:32 PM EDT
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The 7 is bulky and heavy for what it is...it's' nothing like the Tavor in 556 beside similar looks.
I'd say half of the people posting in this thread haven't even handled one and are making these comments. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 3:01:23 AM EDT
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The 7 is bulky and heavy for what it is...it's' nothing like the Tavor in 556 beside similar looks. I'd say half of the people posting in this thread haven't even handled one and are making these comments. |
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Posted: 2/28/2018 12:34:55 AM EDT
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They’re up for preorder on Quantico Tactical for LE/MIL for $1681. That’s only $100 more than the X95 lists at. I’m not LE/MIL anymore, but either way that’s a very good sign pricewise.
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Posted: 2/28/2018 8:51:01 PM EDT
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They’re up for preorder on Quantico Tactical for LE/MIL for $1681. That’s only $100 more than the X95 lists at. I’m not LE/MIL anymore, but either way that’s a very good sign pricewise. |
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Posted: 3/1/2018 12:48:30 AM EDT
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There is a serious internal struggle to sell my DD5v1 before end of March in preparation for this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They’re up for preorder on Quantico Tactical for LE/MIL for $1681. That’s only $100 more than the X95 lists at. I’m not LE/MIL anymore, but either way that’s a very good sign pricewise. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 3:22:52 PM EDT
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Anyone know what the latest news is on a release date for the Tavor 7?
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:13:21 PM EDT
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Anyone know what the latest news is on a release date for the Tavor 7? |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 4:23:12 PM EDT
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Pushed to May/June as per their FB a few days ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone know what the latest news is on a release date for the Tavor 7? |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 7:14:27 AM EDT
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I see no one offering the 20" version, including IWI, as the 16" is the only version listed. I hope they didn't kill the longer barreled option.
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Posted: 3/31/2018 11:08:49 AM EDT
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I see no one offering the 20" version, including IWI, as the 16" is the only version listed. I hope they didn't kill the longer barreled option. |
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Posted: 4/1/2018 3:32:57 AM EDT
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.308 version of the Tavor. It was introduced last fall and this is the 1st I've heard about it. MSRP of $2200 they said. 
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Posted: 4/1/2018 4:05:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure others will disagree, but after handling the T7 at GAOS last week, I would urge you to handle one first before you buy. To me, it felt awkward when shouldered; the buttplate had some light texturing that did nothing to keep it from sliding around on my shoulder (was wearing a nylon shelled fleece lined jacket), the buttplate was pretty much vertical with no rake, and the whole thing made me feel like I was shouldering a 2x6 plank. The trigger was decent, though the plastic felt odd; not the feel of the AUG or the MDR that I've handled in the past, and certainly not like the polymer used on AR furniture. Again, this is subjective and opinions will vary, but I still urge you to handle one before buying. Either way, this is very sound advice. I, for one, have become infatuated with the idea of the TS12. However, I am not going to buy one without being able to feel it out. I almost made that mistake with the FN "tactical tuna". Thankfully, I found someone local that had one. After handling it, I wasn't as impressed as I had hoped to be. |
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Posted: 4/1/2018 4:15:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More accurate rifles are always a good thing, but I have to think IWI feels like the Tavor fills its niche well enough that the redesigns necessary aren’t cost effective for the money they’d make. I know they can make an accurate rifle, but would be surprised if we saw a Tavor redesign that wasn’t began as a military request. I'm sure, they weren't as simple as responses to customer requests. IWI more than likely looked into the sales records of things like the KSG, bullpup conversion kits for other shotguns before deciding to go ahead with the TS12. Likewise, in the case of the T7, they probably looked at the history of items like the RFB and conversion kits for the M14. We aren't talking about H&K, here. IWI is a new player (relatively speaking) in the U.S. market. They put a factory in PA for the sole purpose of taking their share of the U.S. civilian firearms market in the biggest chunks that they possibly can. They are being aggressive about getting their share of that civilian market, as well. So far, they have been very different from a majority of the other foreign based companies who used U.S. subsidiaries as a way to satisfy domestic manufacturing requirements for government contracts and look at civilian sales as nothing more than a way to keep the lights on once those contracts dry up. EDIT: The only question that remains, is how long before they announce a rimfire Tavor? 
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Posted: 4/1/2018 7:21:28 PM EDT
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You make comparisons to the AUG, MDR, and AR. How would you say the 7 compares with the other Tavor offerings, like the SAR or X95? Either way, this is very sound advice. I, for one, have become infatuated with the idea of the TS12. However, I am not going to buy one without being able to feel it out. I almost made that mistake with the FN "tactical tuna". Thankfully, I found someone local that had one. After handling it, I wasn't as impressed as I had hoped to be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'm sure others will disagree, but after handling the T7 at GAOS last week, I would urge you to handle one first before you buy. To me, it felt awkward when shouldered; the buttplate had some light texturing that did nothing to keep it from sliding around on my shoulder (was wearing a nylon shelled fleece lined jacket), the buttplate was pretty much vertical with no rake, and the whole thing made me feel like I was shouldering a 2x6 plank. The trigger was decent, though the plastic felt odd; not the feel of the AUG or the MDR that I've handled in the past, and certainly not like the polymer used on AR furniture. Again, this is subjective and opinions will vary, but I still urge you to handle one before buying. Either way, this is very sound advice. I, for one, have become infatuated with the idea of the TS12. However, I am not going to buy one without being able to feel it out. I almost made that mistake with the FN "tactical tuna". Thankfully, I found someone local that had one. After handling it, I wasn't as impressed as I had hoped to be. |
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Posted: 5/7/2018 9:01:16 PM EDT
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I don't think there was any military requests for the .308 or 12ga Tavors. The original TAR, the X95, and the 9mm versions were all military weapons first. Maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't heard of either the T7 or the TS12 having been a large enough military or other government agency request to justify the R&D expense. AFAIK both were pure customer request. The .300 BO kits have never been a military request, either. That was purely a move to capture market share with a popular trendy cartridge in the civilian market. I'm sure, they weren't as simple as responses to customer requests. IWI more than likely looked into the sales records of things like the KSG, bullpup conversion kits for other shotguns before deciding to go ahead with the TS12. Likewise, in the case of the T7, they probably looked at the history of items like the RFB and conversion kits for the M14. f[/img] |
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Posted: 5/7/2018 10:51:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually the Government of India is looking at both the Tavor 7 & the ACE for a 7.62 weapon system. They will also be building the SAR & X95 under license soon. Like many other military's that have been using the Tavor for a number of years now, I fully expect many of these countries to start looking at the 7 as an upgrade in being able to get a bit more reach out & touch over the current 5.56 rifles in service. |
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Posted: 5/9/2018 9:47:02 AM EDT
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Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a news source for the above claims? I'd love to read more about the dysfunctional Indian small arms procurement; last I heard they're going to license produce an AR, possibly the AK century series, and maybe the Beretta ARX's. |
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Posted: 6/11/2018 1:29:33 PM EDT
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WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN?!?!?!?!?! IIRC the P-51 went from a napkin drawing to first flight in 3 months, why does it take a company so long to get a gun out? It's not like they haven't done this before!
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Posted: 6/11/2018 4:03:35 PM EDT
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WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN?!?!?!?!?! IIRC the P-51 went from a napkin drawing to first flight in 3 months, why does it take a company so long to get a gun out? It's not like they haven't done this before! With foreign guns it is almost never the production, but rather the importation paperwork that causes the delays. As I recall Michael Kassnar told me it took almost 2 years to get the original Tavor SAR cleared for import on the first batches, and even then the government has a tendency to create more red tape in the process. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 6/11/2018 5:07:03 PM EDT
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WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN?!?!?!?!?! IIRC the P-51 went from a napkin drawing to first flight in 3 months, why does it take a company so long to get a gun out? It's not like they haven't done this before!  .  
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Posted: 6/11/2018 11:04:50 PM EDT
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WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN?!?!?!?!?! IIRC the P-51 went from a napkin drawing to first flight in 3 months, why does it take a company so long to get a gun out? It's not like they haven't done this before! |
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Posted: 6/12/2018 10:58:02 PM EDT
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Because the government cleared the way for the production of the P-51 to get it into the battlefield ASAP, whereas with the Tavor 7 you are at the mercy of importation approvals of the United States Government in peacetime. With foreign guns it is almost never the production, but rather the importation paperwork that causes the delays. As I recall Michael Kassnar told me it took almost 2 years to get the original Tavor SAR cleared for import on the first batches, and even then the government has a tendency to create more red tape in the process. Sven Manticore Arms
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Posted: 6/12/2018 11:02:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The initial p51 was a lackluster plane until latter versions swapped the engine. Plus lets see civilian project where a private company needs to make a profit in a niche market versus a global war for survival where the government poured massive amounts of other peoples money into a project to get it done asap so it could be produced in bulk to serve around the world. Hmm I wonder what the difference could be .
I think Sven might have a good point - they are probably ready to go but the feds are holding it back. I don't know about you but in my bidness when someone calls me up with money in their hands I get it done ASAP so I can get paid so not sure why any other company would be different unless they are failing at the project and have nothing to ship like the MDR. |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 12:48:50 PM EDT
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I will sell my LMT MWS to get a Tavor...pending it functions reliably...the MDR 308 craziness has me cautious to switch to a 308 bully...
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Posted: 6/24/2018 9:29:32 AM EDT
[#41]
The K&M in 308 is here now. I will have one to match my 223 one day.
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Posted: 6/24/2018 9:47:36 AM EDT
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I will sell my LMT MWS to get a Tavor...pending it functions reliably...the MDR 308 craziness has me cautious to switch to a 308 bully... 
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Posted: 6/27/2018 8:05:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2018 9:50:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2018 11:19:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2018 11:22:01 PM EDT
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Double tap oops.
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Posted: 6/28/2018 12:04:02 AM EDT
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A little off topic but whats the masada pistol? Quote HistoryQuoted:
A little off topic but whats the masada pistol? |
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Posted: 6/28/2018 12:31:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s their double stack polymer striker pistol, it’s very similar to the 19X/FN509/P320 Carry/etc. 4”ish barrel w/ 17+1 capacity. A lot of people seem to be getting really excited about it, but I guess I’m missing something because I don’t get what it offers over a litany of preexisting competitors. |
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Posted: 6/28/2018 6:22:38 PM EDT
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It’s their double stack polymer striker pistol, it’s very similar to the 19X/FN509/P320 Carry/etc. 4”ish barrel w/ 17+1 capacity. A lot of people seem to be getting really excited about it, but I guess I’m missing something because I don’t get what it offers over a litany of preexisting competitors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A little off topic but whats the masada pistol? Of course a similar thing could be said about the CZ P10, and that has turned out to be a neat pistol in its own right. ;) Sven Manticore Arms |
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