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Posted: 5/29/2019 3:39:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99:
From the photos I see, looks like the stock when folded blocks the ejection port? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2019 8:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger:
I’m thinking about slapping an AFG on it and seeing where my hand positions. But that was my thought process as well, with the partial refund the HBI upgrade is covered should I choose to go that direction. And if I do that I can upgrade the CH with their ambition model at the same time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger:
Originally Posted By jmanuso2096: 525, you did good on that sale. Even if you get the no recip kit from HB you are under the cost of the new import. 
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2019 9:25:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker:
The Magpul AFG does a good job of keeping the your thumb out of the way. I didn't have any issues with this set-up. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/rA8c5u.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker:
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Originally Posted By jmanuso2096: 525, you did good on that sale. Even if you get the no recip kit from HB you are under the cost of the new import. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/rA8c5u.jpg 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2019 1:20:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker: The Magpul AFG does a good job of keeping the your thumb out of the way. I didn't have any issues with this set-up. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/rA8c5u.jpg |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2019 5:11:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/30/2019 8:22:28 PM EDT
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How is the Stribog for a suppressor host?
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NH, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2019 8:29:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer:
How is the Stribog for a suppressor host? |
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Posted: 5/30/2019 8:36:17 PM EDT
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I love it. Shows a prototype receiver in the white, not even fully machined yet, and one of the first posts is how they want it to use their favorite expensive mag, when Stribog mags are 25 bucks and are in a product improvement stage. SMH.
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Posted: 5/30/2019 8:40:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chucku:
Good as any. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/30/2019 9:27:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Thanks. I think this is the route I will go. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSBgNs5hng |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2019 11:43:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jmanuso2096]
[#11]
Decided to try my hand at modeling and 3D printing. Modeled some stribog high rise sights using my prototype set and the factory grand power polymer sights for dimensions. Going to have them 3d printed in nylon and see how they function. They should be close to AR height and cowitness with a red dot on a riser.
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2019 5:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
I love it. Shows a prototype receiver in the white, not even fully machined yet, and one of the first posts is how they want it to use their favorite expensive mag, when Stribog mags are 25 bucks and are in a product improvement stage. SMH. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/31/2019 7:04:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker:
Check out this Instagram post https://www.instagram.com/p/ByAs2zfFjdQ/ https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/oKI42J.jpg |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2019 8:59:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MAKAK47:
I would love to see captive pins as well on this one Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MAKAK47:
Originally Posted By N_Parker:
Check out this Instagram post https://www.instagram.com/p/ByAs2zfFjdQ/ https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/oKI42J.jpg Just curious; are everybody's pins super tight? It looks like the same (round) hole size was used for all the layers that are pinned together, and the alignment stacking makes for an interference fit (about .007" on the gun I looked at). If everyone's pins are tight, that means an undersized pin might make things far nicer, otherwise the only option is to ream the stacked holes to the proper diameter for the factory pin. |
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Posted: 5/31/2019 1:13:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: They are captive...well, s'posed to be, anyway. It takes less force to yank them entirely out of the gun (and lose the spring clip) than it does to get them started out of the first detent groove. Just curious; are everybody's pins super tight? It looks like the same (round) hole size was used for all the layers that are pinned together, and the alignment stacking makes for an interference fit (about .007" on the gun I looked at). If everyone's pins are tight, that means an undersized pin might make things far nicer, otherwise the only option is to ream the stacked holes to the proper diameter for the factory pin. And as to tightness... my disassembly kit is a punch pin and a rubber mallet |
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Posted: 5/31/2019 1:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmanuso2096:
Decided to try my hand at modeling and 3D printing. Modeled some stribog high rise sights using my prototype set and the factory grand power polymer sights for dimensions. Going to have them 3d printed in nylon and see how they function. They should be close to AR height and cowitness with a red dot on a riser. https://i.imgur.com/NqoMzTf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5Ps5evn.jpg |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2019 2:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MAKAK47:
I’m talking real captive pins like on an AR, not some dinky pins holding it in place, that’s my biggest gripe And as to tightness... my disassembly kit is a punch pin and a rubber mallet Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MAKAK47:
Originally Posted By barnbwt: They are captive...well, s'posed to be, anyway. It takes less force to yank them entirely out of the gun (and lose the spring clip) than it does to get them started out of the first detent groove. Just curious; are everybody's pins super tight? It looks like the same (round) hole size was used for all the layers that are pinned together, and the alignment stacking makes for an interference fit (about .007" on the gun I looked at). If everyone's pins are tight, that means an undersized pin might make things far nicer, otherwise the only option is to ream the stacked holes to the proper diameter for the factory pin. And as to tightness... my disassembly kit is a punch pin and a rubber mallet I, too, have to field strip this gun the Russian way... 
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2019 2:21:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Those look nice. How long until you do your first prototype? |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2019 2:29:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: They are captive...well, s'posed to be, anyway. It takes less force to yank them entirely out of the gun (and lose the spring clip) than it does to get them started out of the first detent groove. Just curious; are everybody's pins super tight? It looks like the same (round) hole size was used for all the layers that are pinned together, and the alignment stacking makes for an interference fit (about .007" on the gun I looked at). If everyone's pins are tight, that means an undersized pin might make things far nicer, otherwise the only option is to ream the stacked holes to the proper diameter for the factory pin. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2019 6:37:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmanuso2096:
Yep, the pin is tight as hell. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmanuso2096:
Originally Posted By barnbwt: They are captive...well, s'posed to be, anyway. It takes less force to yank them entirely out of the gun (and lose the spring clip) than it does to get them started out of the first detent groove. Just curious; are everybody's pins super tight? It looks like the same (round) hole size was used for all the layers that are pinned together, and the alignment stacking makes for an interference fit (about .007" on the gun I looked at). If everyone's pins are tight, that means an undersized pin might make things far nicer, otherwise the only option is to ream the stacked holes to the proper diameter for the factory pin. |
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Posted: 6/1/2019 7:17:30 PM EDT
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Is the charging handle able to be moved to either side like on a SCAR?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2019 7:22:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By detacbob:
Is the charging handle able to be moved to either side like on a SCAR? |
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Posted: 6/1/2019 7:55:41 PM EDT
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There are ambidextrous charging handles being developed, as well, so you can use either side as the situation demands.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2019 8:35:57 PM EDT
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With my ar15 tube back plate, it certainly requires more than finger power to get the rear pin in and out. With the standard one and the HBI, I can generally do it with my fingers or use a bullet etc to get it started. The problem is, once you go banging on it, you usually blow right past the retainer. I am hoping they switch to ar15 style retaining take down pins with the new lowers. But not where the rear spring goes flying if you take off the rear plate....that design aspect of the ar platform has always annoyed me (along with losing the selector detent with the pistol grip removal. Maybe just use grub screws.
As for the mags. I hope they stick with the Stribog design. They’re a nice angle for the gun and feed pretty well (although I’ve seen some people have issues when resting the gun on the mag to fire, maybe feed lips flexing). Hopefully magpul will pay some attention to the platform and give us some nice polymer mags. I’m not the biggest fan of the current mag material, especially without metal lips. |
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USA
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Posted: 6/2/2019 10:22:52 AM EDT
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Metal reinforced mags are on the way
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LA, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2019 4:46:14 PM EDT
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Can someone give a calipered measurement of the polymer charging handle shuttle on the stribog?
I need the total length. Thanks |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 6/4/2019 2:44:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jmanuso2096]
[#27]
For anyone interested in purchasing a KES stock/brace from Safety Harbor Firearms(SHF). I received my brace this past Friday. Both extension rod had a slight upward curve. With the stock fully extended it was evident that the brace end was curving up. I also placed a steel straight edge on the rods to confirm curvature. I contacted SHF and they promptly sent out another brace which exhibited the same curve in the rods. I contacted SHF once more and was told that most likely something happened during the nitriding that caused the curvature in the rods and after checking their current stock they could not guarantee me a straight sample. I find curved rods unacceptable on an item of this price, so I returned the brace for a refund.
I want to make clear my reason for this post is not to bash SHF. In fact I applaud them for their honesty and stellar customer service. I just want individuals interested in purchasing the KES for the stribog to know that the rods or most likely going to be slightly curved in this batch. It does not impede function, but in my opinion straight is how they should be. If you are like me and find this unacceptable I would refrain from purchasing one, find another option, or wait for them to produce a second batch. I hope this will save some people time and tying up a couple hundred bucks for a few weeks. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2019 7:37:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmanuso2096:
Can someone give a calipered measurement of the polymer charging handle shuttle on the stribog? I need the total length. Thanks |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2019 9:52:20 AM EDT
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Does anyone at least have a picture of the new non-reciprocating handle parts? I'm kind of curious just how different it is from the HBI approach, and whether all these after-market charging handles will still fit.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2019 11:22:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmanuso2096:
For anyone interested in purchasing a KES stock/brace from Safety Harbor Firearms(SHF). I received my brace this past Friday. Both extension rod had a slight upward curve. With the stock fully extended it was evident that the brace end was curving up. I also placed a steel straight edge on the rods to confirm curvature. I contacted SHF and they promptly sent out another brace which exhibited the same curve in the rods. I contacted SHF once more and was told that most likely something happened during the nitriding that caused the curvature in the rods and after checking their current stock they could not guarantee me a straight sample. I find curved rods unacceptable on an item of this price, so I returned the brace for a refund. I want to make clear my reason for this post is not to bash SHF. In fact I applaud them for their honesty and stellar customer service. I just want individuals interested in purchasing the KES for the stribog to know that the rods or most likely going to be slightly curved in this batch. It does not impede function, but in my opinion straight is how they should be. If you are like me and find this unacceptable I would refrain from purchasing one, find another option, or wait for them to produce a second batch. I hope this will save some people time and tying up a couple hundred bucks for a few weeks. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 11:43:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: kpel308]
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Our Eastern European friend as finished his torture test of the Stribog. After 15,000 rounds in 30 days, he had 1 misfire (ammo related) and 1 other malfunction (not specified). He would oil the rails every 500 rounds. He has now cleaned the beast. Here is what it looked like before cleaning at the end of the test:
Here are Pavel's words: 15 thousand in month. Just unboxing and shoot. Oiling every 500 shot. 4 IPSC competitions Only reloading ammo 124FMJ One misfire. One malfunction. Now I'll clean it because every training I'm to dirty 😂 |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2019 12:32:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: That's unfortunate, but not particularly surprising. Nitride is such a high temperature process (~1000F) that most steels will warp at that long/skinny an aspect ratio; you'd need more expensive stress-relieved drawn rod (which is overkill for this application, except for the warp prevention). Nitride is just so economical & effective at making hard, slippery, and black-colored parts that it's still tops for this sort of thing. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 3:04:54 PM EDT
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That's awesome
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
Our Eastern European friend as finished his torture test of the Stribog. After 15,000 rounds in 30 days, he had 1 misfire (ammo related) and 1 other malfunction (not specified). He would oil the rails every 500 rounds. He has now cleaned the beast. Here is what it looked like before cleaning at the end of the test: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1232/61854886_2302996073077286_8111704148392542208_o-969533.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1232/62186606_2302996183077275_3440313656439472128_o-969534.jpg Here are Pavel's words: 15 thousand in month. Just unboxing and shoot. Oiling every 500 shot. 4 IPSC competitions Only reloading ammo 124FMJ One misfire. One malfunction. Now I'll clean it because every training I'm to dirty 😂 |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2019 3:37:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jmanuso2096]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmanuso2096:
For anyone interested in purchasing a KES stock/brace from Safety Harbor Firearms(SHF). I received my brace this past Friday. Both extension rod had a slight upward curve. With the stock fully extended it was evident that the brace end was curving up. I also placed a steel straight edge on the rods to confirm curvature. I contacted SHF and they promptly sent out another brace which exhibited the same curve in the rods. I contacted SHF once more and was told that most likely something happened during the nitriding that caused the curvature in the rods and after checking their current stock they could not guarantee me a straight sample. I find curved rods unacceptable on an item of this price, so I returned the brace for a refund. I want to make clear my reason for this post is not to bash SHF. In fact I applaud them for their honesty and stellar customer service. I just want individuals interested in purchasing the KES for the stribog to know that the rods or most likely going to be slightly curved in this batch. It does not impede function, but in my opinion straight is how they should be. If you are like me and find this unacceptable I would refrain from purchasing one, find another option, or wait for them to produce a second batch. I hope this will save some people time and tying up a couple hundred bucks for a few weeks. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 4:25:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
I love it. Shows a prototype receiver in the white, not even fully machined yet, and one of the first posts is how they want it to use their favorite expensive mag, when Stribog mags are 25 bucks and are in a product improvement stage. SMH. I was that poster, all 3 statements apply to me, having invested heavily in Colt, MP5 and B&T mags I do not want to invest in another, not to mention my state's new laws have prohibited that anyways. I have also seen poly PCC mags fail and would rather more readily available and durable mags (which i happen to have a ton of) |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 5:04:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eternal24k: There are people that have more money invested in mags than a Striborg costs. Some of those people also have had laws in their states change where they cannot purchase new high-cap mags. Some people do not like polymer mags for long-term use. I was that poster, all 3 statements apply to me, having invested heavily in Colt, MP5 and B&T mags I do not want to invest in another, not to mention my state's new laws have prohibited that anyways. I have also seen poly PCC mags fail and would rather more readily available and durable mags (which i happen to have a ton of) |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 6:07:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eternal24k:
There are people that have more money invested in mags than a Striborg costs. Some of those people also have had laws in their states change where they cannot purchase new high-cap mags. Some people do not like polymer mags for long-term use. I was that poster, all 3 statements apply to me, having invested heavily in Colt, MP5 and B&T mags I do not want to invest in another, not to mention my state's new laws have prohibited that anyways. I have also seen poly PCC mags fail and would rather more readily available and durable mags (which i happen to have a ton of) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eternal24k:
Originally Posted By kpel308:
I love it. Shows a prototype receiver in the white, not even fully machined yet, and one of the first posts is how they want it to use their favorite expensive mag, when Stribog mags are 25 bucks and are in a product improvement stage. SMH. I was that poster, all 3 statements apply to me, having invested heavily in Colt, MP5 and B&T mags I do not want to invest in another, not to mention my state's new laws have prohibited that anyways. I have also seen poly PCC mags fail and would rather more readily available and durable mags (which i happen to have a ton of) |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2019 6:08:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
Cool. You're in a bad situation, and I can empathize. There may be aftermarket lowers coming to help you with that. But he is in the in-the-white prototype stage, not the adapt-basic-design-to-accommodate-every-mag-possible stage. He's just one step beyond paper. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
Originally Posted By eternal24k: There are people that have more money invested in mags than a Striborg costs. Some of those people also have had laws in their states change where they cannot purchase new high-cap mags. Some people do not like polymer mags for long-term use. I was that poster, all 3 statements apply to me, having invested heavily in Colt, MP5 and B&T mags I do not want to invest in another, not to mention my state's new laws have prohibited that anyways. I have also seen poly PCC mags fail and would rather more readily available and durable mags (which i happen to have a ton of) 
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Posted: 6/5/2019 6:39:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: *pssst - modular lower with swappable magwells 
Please realize that Jaro is THE designer over there, as well as CEO. He has already had one weapon in a major contract competition (US Army SCW Program), and has to meet the needs of quite a few military and police organizations. He also wants to continue to innovate with the K-100, Q-100, Ex-Calibre, and other pistol lines, along come up with new stuff. He is also making the Grand Power version of the DshKM 12.7mm heavy machine gun for military use. Let's let him get the basic stuff done correctly before asking him to get fancy, OK? |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 6:44:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: I still think it's a missed opportunity that they didn't pattern their mag dimensions off the Steyr/B&T. They are so similar already, essentially identical in form/function, and it would have meant a far more affordable secondary source of B&T mags. My position is that the subgun world needs to standardize around one large 30-40rnd curved mag for mag-forward applications, and one 20rnd-30 straight mag for shorter through-grip applications (both dual-position feed polymer). B&T has a solid lead already, but if the Stribog takes off and GP is able to scale production to meet what is sure to be solid demand in the face of a rather dismal and stagnant gun market, maybe we'll be seeing Magpul Stribog mags in another five years. People seem to forget how recent (2009) the Scorpion's meteoric rise was, and the Stribog seems to be following that trajectory so far. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 6:54:08 PM EDT
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BTW: Jaro has been amenable to the aftermarket vendors, communicating with them and encouraging them in their projects. His importer, @Global-Ordnance is including aftermarket accessories with the Stribog. As the suppliers continue to push innovations to the Stribog envelope, I am sure that we'll see its popularity increase. Just look at what has happened since I started the thread in GD.
I am not paid to support GP or GO, I just do so because I believe it's the right thing to do, and I applaud what they are doing. Besides being a friend, Jaro is a mad scientist that can actually make a market-ready, innovative, quality product in quantity for a great price, unlike a certain American firm that has great designs, but marginal execution and minimal supply, which go for large sums when you can find them.  Did Gaston Glock ever respond to emails, threads, FB posts, or anyone in general, let alone incorporate their suggestions into his designs? >crickets< We're still waiting on THEIR carbine, BTW, for you guys who insist that the Stribog take Glock mags.
Rant over. I give it about a 3 out of 10 for no use of the F bomb, too many vague inferences, and an unorganized structure. It's almost 0200 here, and I have 4 more hours on my shift.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2019 8:25:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
B&T is an excellent outfit, and they make great stuff. Jaro's stuff is pretty damned good for the money you pay in comparison, and meets the same needs. The Stribog was developed independently of B&T, although they look similar. Making it to use B&T's mags, though, might be seen as copyright or patent infringement. Remember, he is operating under EU law, and they take a VERY dim view of things like that. I am not a European lawyer, nor have I talked to GP's general counsel, but I would be leary of that if I was him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
Originally Posted By barnbwt: I still think it's a missed opportunity that they didn't pattern their mag dimensions off the Steyr/B&T. They are so similar already, essentially identical in form/function, and it would have meant a far more affordable secondary source of B&T mags. My position is that the subgun world needs to standardize around one large 30-40rnd curved mag for mag-forward applications, and one 20rnd-30 straight mag for shorter through-grip applications (both dual-position feed polymer). B&T has a solid lead already, but if the Stribog takes off and GP is able to scale production to meet what is sure to be solid demand in the face of a rather dismal and stagnant gun market, maybe we'll be seeing Magpul Stribog mags in another five years. People seem to forget how recent (2009) the Scorpion's meteoric rise was, and the Stribog seems to be following that trajectory so far. I figured it was merely a parallel-development thing; I imagine years back when he was designing the mag, that B&T was twinkle in Brugger and/or Thomet's eye and the TMP had been dead for 20 years ;) |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 9:50:24 PM EDT
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I don't know if it's a thing or not. I didn't speak to his lawyer. But there are people who are already saying it is a B&T rip-off when it is not. No reason to give them any more ammo.
Personally, I'd like him to make it in .45ACP and use B&T .45 mags. But that's just me, and he isn't interested in making a .45 at this time, even though I nagged him for almost 2 decades for a GP pistol in .45, and now we have the P45 and P45L. I will buy one for the wife if I can find someone willing to import to the PI or make them under license, which I have discussed with at least one manufacturer of 1911s and M16s in the Philippines.
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Posted: 6/5/2019 10:20:13 PM EDT
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I am going to just apologize if I offended anyone on this. Not my intention at all. I'm just a bit frustrated that no matter how hard my friend tries to make a decent product, someone always has a complaint that he's not making it THEIR way. I re-read some of my comments, and understand where I came off as a bit of an ass. I'll try to do better in the future. I don't have any monetary investment or anything to gain by GP doing well, it's just that he's my friend and I'm emotionally invested in not only the product, but his success and well-being. Thanks.
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Posted: 6/5/2019 10:29:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
I am going to just apologize if I offended anyone on this. Not my intention at all. I'm just a bit frustrated that no matter how hard my friend tries to make a decent product, someone always has a complaint that he's not making it THEIR way. I re-read some of my comments, and understand where I came off as a bit of an ass. I'll try to do better in the future. I don't have any monetary investment or anything to gain by GP doing well, it's just that he's my friend and I'm emotionally invested in not only the product, but his success and well-being. Thanks. Has Jaro thought about starting some production in the US? Grand Power USA? Or using a 3rd party vendor to supply roller delay parts and assemble the SP9A3 here? Just a thought |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 10:45:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: eternal24k]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308:
I am going to just apologize if I offended anyone on this. Not my intention at all. I'm just a bit frustrated that no matter how hard my friend tries to make a decent product, someone always has a complaint that he's not making it THEIR way. I re-read some of my comments, and understand where I came off as a bit of an ass. I'll try to do better in the future. I don't have any monetary investment or anything to gain by GP doing well, it's just that he's my friend and I'm emotionally invested in not only the product, but his success and well-being. Thanks. I wonder how many products you enjoy are the evolution of customer/market feedback? So relax and enjoy the possibility of product being able to evolve. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 11:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eternal24k: you need to relax and realize that a request from a customer is not a complaint, it is literally an opportunity for the supplier to hear what someone in the market wants. In a capitalist society where matching supply and demand = success, it's a good thing. If they did not want to sense the market, they would not be on social media. I wonder how many products you enjoy are the evolution of customer/market feedback? So relax and enjoy the possibility of product being able to evolve. Getting customer feedback means there is interest and people will buy more if there’s more options But people who poo-poo the product because they don’t like the looks or something about it are just retarded |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:05:48 AM EDT
[#48]
Anyone know who makes this Tailhook Mod 1 side folder for a 1913 rail?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/6/2019 2:25:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bobbybananas]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer:
Anyone know who makes this Tailhook Mod 1 side folder for a 1913 rail? https://i.imgur.com/3aGBSGD.jpg Edit. That might be the one from sb tactical https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/fs1913/ |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/6/2019 10:44:34 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MAKAK47:
Chill bro, it’s all good Has Jaro thought about starting some production in the US? Grand Power USA? Or using a 3rd party vendor to supply roller delay parts and assemble the SP9A3 here? Just a thought Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MAKAK47:
Originally Posted By kpel308:
I am going to just apologize if I offended anyone on this. Not my intention at all. I'm just a bit frustrated that no matter how hard my friend tries to make a decent product, someone always has a complaint that he's not making it THEIR way. I re-read some of my comments, and understand where I came off as a bit of an ass. I'll try to do better in the future. I don't have any monetary investment or anything to gain by GP doing well, it's just that he's my friend and I'm emotionally invested in not only the product, but his success and well-being. Thanks. Has Jaro thought about starting some production in the US? Grand Power USA? Or using a 3rd party vendor to supply roller delay parts and assemble the SP9A3 here? Just a thought Nice thing about the 'bog; it's so completely modular I think there is room to make upgraded replacements for almost every single part...without hurting sales of the original. |
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