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Quoted: that stock and the wooden handguard would be neat https://i.imgur.com/XeOYsi4.jpg |
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Do the early wooden handguards fit the later models, or only the early series? Which series is it that Ruger no longer maintains? Just 180s, or 181s as well?
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I picked up a NOS stock set just like that for $35 at a local shop.
My 188 series Ranch dropped right in. |
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I have desperately needed a GB since you started this thread.
Early this week I saw the following Facebook post: Attached File I picked mine up from my FFL tonight. It's a 185 series in great shape minus some wear on the wood from storage. Attached File @Miami_JBT |
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I think you got an amazing deal if it came w/ a factory 120 rnd mag.
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I have desperately needed a GB since you started this thread. Early this week I saw the following Facebook post: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/224310/image_jpeg-838871.JPG I picked mine up from my FFL tonight. It's a 185 series in great shape minus some wear on the wood from storage. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/224310/image_jpeg-838874.JPG Miami_JBT View Quote |
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[#9]
Informative, well composed post. Thank you.
For me, the Mini-14 is in the same category as the SKS. I've had a handful of each. I wanted to like them. I really did. Useful, reliable enough, accurate enough, but stuck in the back of the safe, because, well, kinda embarrassing compared to other long guns I owned at the same time. I'd rather show up at a class, a match, or a firefight, with an AR15 than a Mini-14. Same with an AK vs the SKS. The one Mini that I had that I do kinda miss, was a standard (non-ranch) version that I shortened the barrel to 13", slightly oversized the gas port, and pinned/welded a John Masen flash hider/front sight combo- similar to an M14 front sight. I had this mounted in a Butler Creek sidefolder; and it was compact, fun, reliable, and more accurate with a 13" barrel than with an 18". Barrel whip is the theory, short/fat is stiffer than long/skinny and hence more accurate? I ended up selling it because I was saving for a house downpayment. Priorities and all that... I ran across some pics of it recently, if anyone has an interest I can scan them. I occasionally see a Mini-14 for sale and contemplate duplicating that long lost one, but the prices don't seem to be comparable anymore. When I had that one, I think I got it for $400 and ARs were $850+, now Mini-14s are hundreds more than a basic AR. It's become a "not-worth-it" to me. Maybe someday if I find one cheap enough at a yard sale or something... |
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[#11]
Not so much, just picked up a mini tactical for 5 and a half. Kinda happy with that deal
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[#12]
In Commiefornia, we almost always have to pay full retail on Minis. $895 at Big 5 or Turner's is as good of a sale as you ever see.
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[#13]
Minis not be Black Rifles. Original Assault Rifle Ban back in 1996 sez so. Minis exempt from 1996 Assault Weapons ban
Many Minis sold during AWB period. Many aftermarket mags being available, some of the mag manufacturers be9ng ntrinsically better than others. Some mags being non-allowed in certain states. Very confusing. |
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Minis not be Black Rifles. Original Assault Rifle Ban back in 1996 sez so. Minis exempt from 1996 Assault Weapons ban Many Minis sold during AWB period. Many aftermarket mags being available, some of the mag manufacturers be9ng ntrinsically better than others. Some mags being non-allowed in certain states. Very confusing. View Quote |
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I had a Mini-30 during the ban and was so happy when I found some quality looking 10 rounders at a gunshow.
Almost looked like OEM thickness and rigidity. God they were crap. They would spray rounds out of the action sometimes. |
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The Clinton AWB was instituted on September 13, 1994 and Mini-14s were verboten if they were GB Models. Why? Threaded barrelsz glash hiders, and bayonet lugs. Plus folding stocks were banned too. Mags over 10rds were also illegal for possession if made after the date. View Quote |
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For me, the Mini-14 is in the same category as the SKS. I've had a handful of each. I wanted to like them. I really did. Useful, reliable enough, accurate enough, but stuck in the back of the safe, because, well, kinda embarrassing compared to other long guns I owned at the same time. I'd rather show up at a class, a match, or a firefight, with an AR15 than a Mini-14. Same with an AK vs the SKS. The one Mini that I had that I do kinda miss, was a standard (non-ranch) version that I shortened the barrel to 13", slightly oversized the gas port, and pinned/welded a John Masen flash hider/front sight combo- similar to an M14 front sight. I had this mounted in a Butler Creek sidefolder; and it was compact, fun, reliable, and more accurate with a 13" barrel than with an 18". Barrel whip is the theory, short/fat is stiffer than long/skinny and hence more accurate? I ended up selling it because I was saving for a house downpayment. Priorities and all that... I ran across some pics of it recently, if anyone has an interest I can scan them. View Quote The AR15 is still bulky, awkward, plastic and aluminum, feels like a toy, poorly designed mag catch allowing mag to drop if not inserted exactly correctly every time, with the idiotic bolt assist, and produces those tinny sounds that are almost toy like. Useful, reliable enough if kept lubed properly, accurate, but stuck in the back of the safe, because, well, they are just too clunky with that huge receiver, lousy mag catch, and less than optimal ergonomics. I'd rather show up at a firefight, with an Mini-14 or it's big brother, my M1A than a AR15. The one AR that I have that I do kinda like, is a standard Wylde chambered RRA A4 that I scoped for long range shooting off the bench; something that the Mini isn't designed for. I have a 12x scope mounted on it and a set of walnut furniture and custom walnut target pistol grip I made so it feels more like a real rifle. It's made for one purpose; to shoot at apples at 400yds with. Reliable but, heavy at 11+lbs, not compact at all, not easy to move with, it's definitely a bench rifle. My other AR is a light weight carbine and I haven't touched it in over 6 years, years before I got my 583 Series Mini-14 3½ years ago. |
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I have always wanted a Factory Folding Mini-14. Over the years I have heard all the negatives, but I still wanted one. Recently I found this one and was able to purchase it for $1k. I took it to the range a couple weeks ago and had a blast shooting this thing. I don't know if its because I had such low expectations but I love it. Its reasonably accurate with the irons, it shoots smooth, and I actually enjoyed the folding stock which is such a great design. I want a blue one now and I would love to SBR one, but they are so damn expensive. The funny thing is that whenever I pull the gun out of the case I automatically here the theme song to the A-Team playing in my head. It always makes me chuckle. Never fails.
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[#19]
So many people wax poetic about the Holy Grail of the OEM Ruger Folding Stock. So much Fandom. So much Praise. Nostalgia!
As someone who has used OEM Ruger Mini folding stocks, please allow me to speak the truth as I know it. They were a bit of a hassle to deploy, since the buttplate had to be disengaged from the side of the stock before the assembly could be swung rearwards. Hopefully the user remembered to fully deploy the buttplate, or else more fumbling would ensue. A small training issue, but I've seen mistakes happen. When retracting the stock, some care needed to be taken so that the partially folded buttplate would engage in the stud protruding from the stock, and so lock the folded stock in place. Again, I have witnessed the failure to do so, with usually comical training results. At such point the rifles were unloaded, so it was all laughs. Perhaps in a combat situation, not so funny. The Ruger folding stock was fairly fragile, both in its original design, and in use. The stock was generally considered uncomfortable during extended use. The pistol grip was a bolt-on unit, and somewhat fragile in its' attachment. There are no spare parts for it, and to repair worn parts, one will need to be creative, perhaps re-making some critical parts in order to repair worn stocks. Doing so can be expensive, and some collectors frown on even well-made replacement parts. How do you know if your OEM Ruger stock was re-built? Good question. Right from the OEM box, the Ruger folding stocks would rattle, and with wear, they got a LOT worse. Rattle was bad enough, but the stocks being less-than-solid was an accuracy problem. These OEM Ruger folding stocks are something that is prized by collectors all out of relation to their practical value. If you decide you want a Ruger folder, well, it's your money. Collectors will collect, and all that. For practical use, I suggest one consider the Butler Creek folding stock. Unlike the OEM Ruger folder, it is simple to deploy, it locks into place solidly, and does not rattle. Unlike the Ruger folder, it is comfortable to use, and is capable of butt-stroking an opponent without damage. The similar Choate side folder has been verified to NOT have a continuous steel rail throughput its' stock length, and so is inferior compared to the BC. YMMV, and all that. |
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So many people wax poetic about the Holy Grail of the OEM Ruger Folding Stock. So much Fandom. So much Praise. Nostalgia! As someone who has used OEM Ruger Mini folding stocks, please allow me to speak the truth as I know it. They were a bit of a hassle to deploy, since the buttplate had to be disengaged from the side of the stock before the assembly could be swung rearwards. Hopefully the user remembered to fully deploy the buttplate, or else more fumbling would ensue. A small training issue, but I've seen mistakes happen. When retracting the stock, some care needed to be taken so that the partially folded buttplate would engage in the stud protruding from the stock, and so lock the folded stock in place. Again, I have witnessed the failure to do so, with usually comical training results. At such point the rifles were unloaded, so it was all laughs. Perhaps in a combat situation, not so funny. The Ruger folding stock was fairly fragile, both in its original design, and in use. The stock was generally considered uncomfortable during extended use. The pistol grip was a bolt-on unit, and somewhat fragile in its' attachment. There are no spare parts for it, and to repair worn parts, one will need to be creative, perhaps re-making some critical parts in order to repair worn stocks. Doing so can be expensive, and some collectors frown on even well-made replacement parts. How do you know if your OEM Ruger stock was re-built? Good question. Right from the OEM box, the Ruger folding stocks would rattle, and with wear, they got a LOT worse. Rattle was bad enough, but the stocks being less-than-solid was an accuracy problem. These OEM Ruger folding stocks are something that is prized by collectors all out of relation to their practical value. If you decide you want a Ruger folder, well, it's your money. Collectors will collect, and all that. For practical use, I suggest one consider the Butler Creek folding stock. Unlike the OEM Ruger folder, it is simple to deploy, it locks into place solidly, and does not rattle. Unlike the Ruger folder, it is comfortable to use, and is capable of butt-stroking an opponent without damage. The similar Choate side folder has been verified to NOT have a continuous steel rail throughput its' stock length, and so is inferior compared to the BC. YMMV, and all that. View Quote |
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I own both... the BC stock and the OEM stock have their pros and guns. Both suffer from stock wobble, both aren't made anymore, and both have their fragile issues. The ergos to both have pros and cons. In the end, they're both awesome to own. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So many people wax poetic about the Holy Grail of the OEM Ruger Folding Stock. So much Fandom. So much Praise. Nostalgia! As someone who has used OEM Ruger Mini folding stocks, please allow me to speak the truth as I know it. They were a bit of a hassle to deploy, since the buttplate had to be disengaged from the side of the stock before the assembly could be swung rearwards. Hopefully the user remembered to fully deploy the buttplate, or else more fumbling would ensue. A small training issue, but I've seen mistakes happen. When retracting the stock, some care needed to be taken so that the partially folded buttplate would engage in the stud protruding from the stock, and so lock the folded stock in place. Again, I have witnessed the failure to do so, with usually comical training results. At such point the rifles were unloaded, so it was all laughs. Perhaps in a combat situation, not so funny. The Ruger folding stock was fairly fragile, both in its original design, and in use. The stock was generally considered uncomfortable during extended use. The pistol grip was a bolt-on unit, and somewhat fragile in its' attachment. There are no spare parts for it, and to repair worn parts, one will need to be creative, perhaps re-making some critical parts in order to repair worn stocks. Doing so can be expensive, and some collectors frown on even well-made replacement parts. How do you know if your OEM Ruger stock was re-built? Good question. Right from the OEM box, the Ruger folding stocks would rattle, and with wear, they got a LOT worse. Rattle was bad enough, but the stocks being less-than-solid was an accuracy problem. These OEM Ruger folding stocks are something that is prized by collectors all out of relation to their practical value. If you decide you want a Ruger folder, well, it's your money. Collectors will collect, and all that. For practical use, I suggest one consider the Butler Creek folding stock. Unlike the OEM Ruger folder, it is simple to deploy, it locks into place solidly, and does not rattle. Unlike the Ruger folder, it is comfortable to use, and is capable of butt-stroking an opponent without damage. The similar Choate side folder has been verified to NOT have a continuous steel rail throughput its' stock length, and so is inferior compared to the BC. YMMV, and all that. As to rest of your post, looking into it. If BC has discontinued their side folder, well, all I can say is too bad, and glad I got mine when it was possible to do so. |
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I dunno about the "wobble" you mention with respect to the BC. I own a few, and no detectable wobble whatsoever in any of mine. Might be a problem with your unit. As to rest of your post, looking into it. If BC has discontinued their side folder, well, all I can say is too bad, and glad I got mine when it was possible to do so. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So many people wax poetic about the Holy Grail of the OEM Ruger Folding Stock. So much Fandom. So much Praise. Nostalgia! As someone who has used OEM Ruger Mini folding stocks, please allow me to speak the truth as I know it. They were a bit of a hassle to deploy, since the buttplate had to be disengaged from the side of the stock before the assembly could be swung rearwards. Hopefully the user remembered to fully deploy the buttplate, or else more fumbling would ensue. A small training issue, but I've seen mistakes happen. When retracting the stock, some care needed to be taken so that the partially folded buttplate would engage in the stud protruding from the stock, and so lock the folded stock in place. Again, I have witnessed the failure to do so, with usually comical training results. At such point the rifles were unloaded, so it was all laughs. Perhaps in a combat situation, not so funny. The Ruger folding stock was fairly fragile, both in its original design, and in use. The stock was generally considered uncomfortable during extended use. The pistol grip was a bolt-on unit, and somewhat fragile in its' attachment. There are no spare parts for it, and to repair worn parts, one will need to be creative, perhaps re-making some critical parts in order to repair worn stocks. Doing so can be expensive, and some collectors frown on even well-made replacement parts. How do you know if your OEM Ruger stock was re-built? Good question. Right from the OEM box, the Ruger folding stocks would rattle, and with wear, they got a LOT worse. Rattle was bad enough, but the stocks being less-than-solid was an accuracy problem. These OEM Ruger folding stocks are something that is prized by collectors all out of relation to their practical value. If you decide you want a Ruger folder, well, it's your money. Collectors will collect, and all that. For practical use, I suggest one consider the Butler Creek folding stock. Unlike the OEM Ruger folder, it is simple to deploy, it locks into place solidly, and does not rattle. Unlike the Ruger folder, it is comfortable to use, and is capable of butt-stroking an opponent without damage. The similar Choate side folder has been verified to NOT have a continuous steel rail throughput its' stock length, and so is inferior compared to the BC. YMMV, and all that. As to rest of your post, looking into it. If BC has discontinued their side folder, well, all I can say is too bad, and glad I got mine when it was possible to do so. |
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I've tried out a large number of folding and collapsing stocks over the years for many different brands of rifles. I've never seen even one that was solid when extended. They all wobble to some extent. Some are terrible and some only a little but they all have play in the folding/sliding mechanism when extended. Even the CTR stock on my AR carbine with the lock has a bit of wobble. It's the nature of a movable stock.
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[#24]
Great write up! I give it a 9/10. It would have been a 10 but you failed to mention the A Team! That show sold a lot of Mini 14's to my generation.
Well done sir, thank you. |
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I've tried out a large number of folding and collapsing stocks over the years for many different brands of rifles. I've never seen even one that was solid when extended. They all wobble to some extent. Some are terrible and some only a little but they all have play in the folding/sliding mechanism when extended. Even the CTR stock on my AR carbine with the lock has a bit of wobble. It's the nature of a movable stock. View Quote |
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[#28]
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Galil style hinges are usually the exception because the angled contact pieces compensate for wear. View Quote I have a Rhodesian (Belgian?) FAL folder and it's tight, but I had to "help" the mating surfaces a little bit. The angles aren't as pronounced as the Galil, and it can "run out of take-up" and doesn't seem to compensate for as much wear. That's apparently something the Galil rifle improved upon. |
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Very good piece of history in this thread thanks for posting! The Mini 14 served as an unofficial patrol carbine for many Police Officers in Illinois in years past. My small PD had a couple of M-1 Carbines, a couple of 45 ACP Commando Arms Thompson look a like PCC and a couple of Mini 14’s. Several Troopers/LEO’s purchased Mini 14’s because they could be considerably cheaper than an SP1 Colt in the late 70’s and early 80’s. There was a Trooper and another Officer murdered near Paxton Illinois during a traffic stop where a perpetrator was armed with a Mini 14. After that shooting many Mini 14’s found their way into police cars in Illinois whether in or out of policy. I had a SS model 183 which I eventually sold and bought an AR-15. I carried my Mini 14 a lot and used it on a couple of call outs. Only issue I’ve ever seen with the Mini 14 is the trigger guard will come unlatched. Otherwise the Mini 14 was very reliable and accurate enough for most patrol functions. View Quote |
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I had to rescue this poor bubba'd mini-14 folder. I rolled the dice and paid 1k for this poor fella. This was the only photo for the GB listing and the details were sparse. I will update with photos when it arrives.
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I had to rescue this poor bubba'd mini-14 folder. I rolled the dice and paid 1k for this poor fella. This was the only photo for the GB listing and the details were sparse. I will update with photos when it arrives. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/331313/image_jpeg-963924.JPG View Quote I recall seeing nearly all those accessories at one time including the barrel shroud. In case your barrel was too light and handy that accessory "fixed" that You can likely save it You need to find some GB sights. It looks as if it was last updated in 1986 - so it may still be in great condition underneath it all. |
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While not a fan of the foulding stocks for their usual wobbly nature, I don't dispute that they have a 'look' that's appealing. Submachine guns with folding or telescoping stocks just look cool. As a submachine gun, they aren't intended to be tight grouping, precision arms and they do a great job of that task.
In the civilian world where we are responsible for each and every round's path, the simple fact is that an area coverage platform is not something we need. However, that doesn't change the fact that they are cool looking. |
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This was my patrol rifle for many years, we bought these prior to the 96 Olympics. I think I struck an old SKS sling on it. Attached File
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[#38]
My wife got me a $300 card @ Bud's, and I saw this thread. I thought, oh, I have the magazines already, I should get a Mini. Even w/ a $300 discount, I can still build an AR cheaper. No bueno.
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[#40]
I have a Flat Spot lower, and a wooden thumbhole stock. I can build a wood & steel AR. The Mini's a neat gun, as are HK-33s & AKs. The fact that all 3 are priced higher than better performing ARs kills the deal for me.
I think I can put together one of those Ares FightLite whatchmacallits w/ a wooden stock cheaper than I can buy a Mini, and then I'm still using mostly AR parts and it's New York lawyer flipper friendly! |
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It looks like the Mini-14 Gods have smiled on me. I was a little concerned spending $1k on a rifle that had only 1 low res photo and that 1 photo had strong signs of bubba. Yes, I could have contacted the seller but most likely it would have been sold before I got a response. I consoled my nerves by telling myself that I had to rescue this poor rifle. It had the front swivel in the right place, it appeared to only have the heat shield accessory and mondo flash hider, so I bought it. Here is the single photo from the listing in all its high res glory.
Attached File Overall there is some signs that this was used a bit but was never abused. Whoever owned this rifle carried it, fired it, and enjoyed it, but they did not abuse it. It was loved, even if in a bubba love kind of way. The wood is in very good condition with few scratches or dings. The steel is in good shape with few scratches and cleaned up nicely. The only thing missing is the Bolt Hold Cover. At some point the original owner replaced the OE cover with the Scope Mount and that is what is still on there, minus the scope mount. If anyone knows where to find a OE stainless cover please let me know. Blued steel is easy to find but I have had no luck with the ss. FYI, removing the front sight with that heat shield on was a pain in the ass, but it gave up before I did and everything cleaned up nicely. I now need a ss roll pin for that front sight too. My camera was in its death throws the night I worked on this, but here is what I salvaged from the photo's. Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File I took these last few photo's on my phone the next morning after I finished the clean up. Now I need to visit the range and make sure its functioning correctly. Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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I was going through some old Soldier of Fortune magazines and I found this article on the MINI. I scanned it in as a PDF and uploaded it to my server. If someone can re-host it for download I am going to be eliminating this server in a few months, but until then it will be available.
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[#43]
I actually remember reading that article back in the day! It was one of the reasons I picked up my used 180 series about 1982! Thanks.
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As far as current folding stocks for the Mini-14/30 go, the Choate is very solid. They will, however, get a tiny bit loose with a lot of use. The one I used on my LEO trunk Mini in the 1990s was tight as a drum new, but 8 years later had a bit of wiggle. It is still the best option for a compact Mini. It IMHO is better than the Butler Creek.
The old Federal Ordnance Schmeisser style stock was AWFUL! wobbly and NO cheek weld. You would have been better throwing the stock at the bad guy rather than trying to hit them accurately with it. |
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As far as current folding stocks for the Mini-14/30 go, the Choate is very solid. They will, however, get a tiny bit loose with a lot of use. The one I used on my LEO trunk Mini in the 1990s was tight as a drum new, but 8 years later had a bit of wiggle. It is still the best option for a compact Mini. It IMHO is better than the Butler Creek. The old Federal Ordnance Schmeisser style stock was AWFUL! wobbly and NO cheek weld. You would have been better throwing the stock at the bad guy rather than trying to hit them accurately with it. View Quote I have never had the chance to personally try out a Choate Mini-14 folder, as I opted for the Butler Creek item, with no regrets. FWIW, I own other Choate stocks, and no problems with them. It should be noted that a Member here (name forgotten, unfortunately) did an experiment with his Choate folder, in order to see if the folding portion of the stock was entirely steel, or not. Using a magnet, he found that the Choate folding stock was NOT entirely steel, overlaid with plastic; The steel extended rearwards a few inches rearwards of the hinge, and then stopped. Does this matter? Your call. Personally, I prefer the all-steel BC, but YMMV. |
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ha, that surprises me. Early Choate were steel covered by plastic. They have departed from the smaller triangle shape at the butt in favor of a large E shape. Maybe they did it then.
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