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Posted: 2/15/2023 10:39:20 PM EDT
[#1]
I would have bought the mask, if anyone had one in stock. I went with mustang based on recommendation. I think sometimes folks end up splitting hairs in a quest to post stats. The last few horsepower are the most expensive.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 11:22:46 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would have bought the mask, if anyone had one in stock. I went with mustang based on recommendation. I think sometimes folks end up splitting hairs in a quest to post stats. The last few horsepower are the most expensive. Pure speculation here but my guess is you’ll eventually end up owning more than one rimfire can. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 11:45:15 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would have bought the mask, if anyone had one in stock. I went with mustang based on recommendation. I think sometimes folks end up splitting hairs in a quest to post stats. The last few horsepower are the most expensive. Agreed, and to be clear the Mustang is a great can and solid performer. You will be happy with this buy. All aluminum cans are not my thing, but they are light and quiet! Like the poster above said, you will get more than 1 rimfire can. They are too good and too cheap not too! |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 9:32:05 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pure speculation here but my guess is you’ll eventually end up owning more than one rimfire can. I’ll own as many cans as I can possibly afford. I would be going to pickup a Bushwacker 36 today, but the roads are crap. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 10:52:20 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's when you have both that you notice the weight. I have both and yes, if you hold them side by side, you can notice a difference but my point is A. The difference is minor and B. lighter is not always better. On my lighter hosts, I prefer the heavier can. The only time the lighter can feels better to me (in actual use) is on heavier hosts like the 22/45 tactical model and even then, its splitting hairs. That's just me and YMMV? |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 7:09:47 PM EDT
[#6]
Rugged Occulus and I'll recommend Rex Selentium MG22 also.
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Posted: 2/16/2023 9:42:14 PM EDT
[#7]
Options are a lot better now than 15 years ago. I started with a YHM mite, then upgraded the core.
Today it would be a DA mask |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 5:57:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Options are a lot better now than 15 years ago. I started with a YHM mite, then upgraded the core. Today it would be a DA mask The Mask is fantastic. I love mine. I bought the newest YHM rimfire the Phantom 22 on a whim as I really wanted another rimfire can on hand and it has surprised me. It's a pretty decent compared to the mask. Only a hair more first round pop and then sounds identical to me when compared side by side to the MASK. Being a couple of ounces lighter is a bonus on the end of a handgun. I'm glad I bought it. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 6:29:19 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Mask is fantastic. I love mine. I bought the newest YHM rimfire the Phantom 22 on a whim as I really wanted another rimfire can on hand and it has surprised me. It's a pretty decent compared to the mask. Only a hair more first round pop and then sounds identical to me when compared side by side to the MASK. Being a couple of ounces lighter is a bonus on the end of a handgun. I'm glad I bought it. Lighter, only slightly more FRP and no difference after that but still only pretty decent?  
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Posted: 3/1/2023 2:25:11 PM EDT
[#10]
One thing that's not mentioned here is accuracy degradation.
I have a TacSol Ascent. It's a good little can, but when I put it on my bolt gun, groups open from about .75" at 50 to about 1.5" or larger. I've done larger sample sizes (10 with, 10 without, 10 with on the first target again, 10 without on the second target again) and it's pretty noticable. I wouldn't mind a POI shift as I can compensate for that. I've tried aligning the baffles as best I can, etc. and it still increases group sizes. I was considering a Q erector as the baffles screw together. Any thoughts? |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 2:29:42 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One thing that's not mentioned here is accuracy degradation. I have a TacSol Ascent. It's a good little can, but when I put it on my bolt gun, groups open from about .75" at 50 to about 1.5" or larger. I've done larger sample sizes (10 with, 10 without, 10 with on the first target again, 10 without on the second target again) and it's pretty noticable. I wouldn't mind a POI shift as I can compensate for that. I've tried aligning the baffles as best I can, etc. and it still increases group sizes. I was considering a Q erector as the baffles screw together. Any thoughts? Just that while I only have a few different models of rimfire suppressors, I've never seen them open up groups on my rifles. I've shot the best groups I've ever had through a suppressor. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 2:32:08 PM EDT
[#12]
I have a Texas Silencer Company Scoundrel (in jail) that I really like. Seems well made and easy to clean. I shoot it at the gun shop/range that I purchased it from. Can't wait to take it home!
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Posted: 3/1/2023 2:49:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just that while I only have a few different models of rimfire suppressors, I've never seen them open up groups on my rifles. I've shot the best groups I've ever had through a suppressor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One thing that's not mentioned here is accuracy degradation. I have a TacSol Ascent. It's a good little can, but when I put it on my bolt gun, groups open from about .75" at 50 to about 1.5" or larger. I've done larger sample sizes (10 with, 10 without, 10 with on the first target again, 10 without on the second target again) and it's pretty noticable. I wouldn't mind a POI shift as I can compensate for that. I've tried aligning the baffles as best I can, etc. and it still increases group sizes. I was considering a Q erector as the baffles screw together. Any thoughts? Just that while I only have a few different models of rimfire suppressors, I've never seen them open up groups on my rifles. I've shot the best groups I've ever had through a suppressor. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 5:04:32 PM EDT
[#14]
My groups open up a bit also. I’ve never tried to quantify it and ASSumed it was just par for the course with rimfire due to tight bores.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 5:54:15 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My groups open up slightly but I'm running a form 1 suppressor so I didn't have high expectations I've built some tuning suppressors for rimfires that weigh under 3oz. Just for experiments sake you might add a 2-3oz weight to your suppressor, just to see if it helps with grouping. I've noticed group sizes change when tuning from .5 to .25 at 50 yds just by moving the weight.   First pic is the experiment, 2nd pic has a 1.8oz weight that can be moved from either ended of the threaded body. Groups were never bad really, but they got better with the tuning weight |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 8:33:12 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One thing that's not mentioned here is accuracy degradation. I have a TacSol Ascent. It's a good little can, but when I put it on my bolt gun, groups open from about .75" at 50 to about 1.5" or larger. I've done larger sample sizes (10 with, 10 without, 10 with on the first target again, 10 without on the second target again) and it's pretty noticable. I wouldn't mind a POI shift as I can compensate for that. I've tried aligning the baffles as best I can, etc. and it still increases group sizes. I was considering a Q erector as the baffles screw together. Any thoughts? Might look at an AB Little Bird. Baffles screw in and it's threaded it's full length so you could tune till your hearts content. https://www.absuppressor.com/little-bird |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:51:24 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Might look at an AB Little Bird. Baffles screw in and it's threaded it's full length so you could tune till your hearts content. https://www.absuppressor.com/little-bird Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One thing that's not mentioned here is accuracy degradation. I have a TacSol Ascent. It's a good little can, but when I put it on my bolt gun, groups open from about .75" at 50 to about 1.5" or larger. I've done larger sample sizes (10 with, 10 without, 10 with on the first target again, 10 without on the second target again) and it's pretty noticable. I wouldn't mind a POI shift as I can compensate for that. I've tried aligning the baffles as best I can, etc. and it still increases group sizes. I was considering a Q erector as the baffles screw together. Any thoughts? Might look at an AB Little Bird. Baffles screw in and it's threaded it's full length so you could tune till your hearts content. https://www.absuppressor.com/little-bird |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 10:13:33 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's interesting, and appears that it would be a lot easier to clean every 500ish rounds. I wonder what the "You should have cleaned this a couple of boxes ago. Now it's stuck." round count is. There is a youtube video by AB where they ran it 1200 rds with some full auto and other abuse and it still came apart but had a little damage I think |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 12:03:17 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My groups open up a bit also. I’ve never tried to quantify it and ASSumed it was just par for the course with rimfire due to tight bores. Sometimes, but tight bores have much less effect on low velocity, low pressure rounds with stubby projectiles. There's really not enough gas volume or pressure with .22 LR to disrupt bullet flight as you might see with a high velocity rifle bullet through a tight or poorly aligned suppressor bore. As detailed in the post below yours, barrel harmonics have a lot to do with it, and any pressure applied or added mass on a barrel change that. This is why I tell people claims of no POI shift are absolute horseshit, it's really just dumb luck if your unsupressed POI and suppressed POI coincide, and minimal shift has to do with host weapon rigidity, not the can. Short, fat free floated barrels on solid actions are always gonna be more consistent than skinny sporters, whether we're talking stringing with heat, stocks pushing on them or cans screwed onto muzzles. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 6:22:10 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes, but tight bores have much less effect on low velocity, low pressure rounds with stubby projectiles. There's really not enough gas volume or pressure with .22 LR to disrupt bullet flight as you might see with a high velocity rifle bullet through a tight or poorly aligned suppressor bore. As detailed in the post below yours, barrel harmonics have a lot to do with it, and any pressure applied or added mass on a barrel change that. This is why I tell people claims of no POI shift are absolute horseshit, it's really just dumb luck if your unsupressed POI and suppressed POI coincide, and minimal shift has to do with host weapon rigidity, not the can. Short, fat free floated barrels on solid actions are always gonna be more consistent than skinny sporters, whether we're talking stringing with heat, stocks pushing on them or cans screwed onto muzzles. I fully agree with this bit about POI shift. Granted, it's small sample sizes but the POI shift on my 8.5" 9mm upper with a YHM Wraith is zero but the same gun with a 16" upper from same manufacturer sees a drop. My 18" AR with a heavy profile barrel has some POI shift, but the same can on a 16" pencil barrel has a noticeable shift. Group sizes are all pretty much the same though. My 22LR bolt gun is a 16" Christiansen Arms Ranger, so it's a pretty good little rifle. I cleaned the can once and didn't think to align the baffles and the POI was about 3 FEET down and left with a pattern of about a foot at 50 yards. Carefully aligning the baffles changes the POI straight down about an inch which is totally manageable but group sizes open up. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 12:07:05 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes, but tight bores have much less effect on low velocity, low pressure rounds with stubby projectiles. There's really not enough gas volume or pressure with .22 LR to disrupt bullet flight as you might see with a high velocity rifle bullet through a tight or poorly aligned suppressor bore. As detailed in the post below yours, barrel harmonics have a lot to do with it, and any pressure applied or added mass on a barrel change that. This is why I tell people claims of no POI shift are absolute horseshit, it's really just dumb luck if your unsupressed POI and suppressed POI coincide, and minimal shift has to do with host weapon rigidity, not the can. Short, fat free floated barrels on solid actions are always gonna be more consistent than skinny sporters, whether we're talking stringing with heat, stocks pushing on them or cans screwed onto muzzles. Thanks, that makes sense. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:44:04 AM EDT
[#22]
Sooo…. The mask is out of stock. I have a choice between the SF Ryder SS or the El Camino. Which would you experienced ones choose?
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:53:51 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sooo…. The mask is out of stock. I have a choice between the SF Ryder SS or the El Camino. Which would you experienced ones choose? El Camino is a poor performer on a pistol. Significant first round pop. No experience with the SF can. A recommendation I have is do not settle when buying a can. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 11:24:14 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sooo…. The mask is out of stock. I have a choice between the SF Ryder SS or the El Camino. Which would you experienced ones choose? Neither. Don't buy a can based one what's in stock. if you want the mask, wait for it. It shouldn't take that long in the grand scheme of things. If you really don't want to wait, the YHM Phantom .22 seems to be in stock at most places. I will actually be comparing one directly against my Mask and EII today or tomorrow so I can tell you how it stacks up if you are interested? |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 12:41:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither. Don't buy a can based one what's in stock. if you want the mask, wait for it. It shouldn't take that long in the grand scheme of things. If you really don't want to wait, the YHM Phantom .22 seems to be in stock at most places. I will actually be comparing one directly against my Mask and EII today or tomorrow so I can tell you how it stacks up if you are interested? Interested! |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 1:40:27 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interested! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Neither. Don't buy a can based one what's in stock. if you want the mask, wait for it. It shouldn't take that long in the grand scheme of things. If you really don't want to wait, the YHM Phantom .22 seems to be in stock at most places. I will actually be comparing one directly against my Mask and EII today or tomorrow so I can tell you how it stacks up if you are interested? Interested! I'd like to know what you think of phantom also. Mainly frp on pistols |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 3:31:38 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither. Don't buy a can based one what's in stock. if you want the mask, wait for it. It shouldn't take that long in the grand scheme of things. Agreed. Would wait or look elsewhere to see if they have it in stock. A long process and time to waitt to own them-dont do it just to settle on something. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 3:51:22 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to know what you think of phantom also. Mainly frp on pistols I have a pair of Phantom’s and they exhibit FRP on my pistol’s so they’re pretty much used on my rifles only. My Oculus, Mustang’s, TB TD22 and Mask have no to very little FRP on pistol’s. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 4:03:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a pair of Phantom’s and they exhibit FRP on my pistol’s so they’re pretty much used on my rifles only. My Oculus, Mustang’s, TB TD22 and Mask have no to very little FRP on pistol’s. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd like to know what you think of phantom also. Mainly frp on pistols I have a pair of Phantom’s and they exhibit FRP on my pistol’s so they’re pretty much used on my rifles only. My Oculus, Mustang’s, TB TD22 and Mask have no to very little FRP on pistol’s. Thanks for the confirmation. That's what I've heard other people say... You like your Mask or TBAC takedown more? |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 4:07:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a pair of Phantom’s and they exhibit FRP on my pistol’s so they’re pretty much used on my rifles only. I was curious about that? What is it with YHM and FRP? Seems like they all have that regardless of caliber? |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 4:21:17 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the confirmation. That's what I've heard other people say... You like your Mask or TBAC takedown more? I like my TB TD22 more. Hate how the baffles don’t click together nice and tight on the mask. This causes crap to build up around the inside of the tube and the outside of the baffles. None of my other rimfire cans do this. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 5:55:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like my TB TD22 more. Hate how the baffles don’t click together nice and tight on the mask. This causes crap to build up around the inside of the tube and the outside of the baffles. None of my other rimfire cans do this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks for the confirmation. That's what I've heard other people say... You like your Mask or TBAC takedown more? I like my TB TD22 more. Hate how the baffles don’t click together nice and tight on the mask. This causes crap to build up around the inside of the tube and the outside of the baffles. None of my other rimfire cans do this. Ok thanks. Good info |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:47:15 PM EDT
[#33]
Well designed and manufactured cans generally improve accuracy, and POI shift performance should be relatively solid.
We got a heavy barrel like 6.875" browning buckmark in here from Bill Hicks Co a couple days ago. I put our new (unreleased) Checkmate-HD on it with EZ lok, and put three rounds of CCI standard Velocity into ~.020" CTC at 10 yards with a prototype reflex sight we're developing (rested off a tripod, standing) - it was a one hole group, about the size of one bullet hole. Before that I shot it with iron sights and my group with irons was about 1" wide, and about .04" tall. Evan had the idea to try the dot sight, and I said before I shot the group, that the Buckmark could probably one hole it at the short distance we were shooting given the vertical dispersion of my previous group. The reflex sight made shooting that a lot more accurate. The front iron sight was really wide for precision work, and I was trying to center the edge of a piece of brown tape on a cardboard box we were using as an aiming point. The sights weren't as clear as I would have liked them to be, I'm getting old. Evan outshot me with irons at about 1/2", but his dot group was 3 rounds touching about .200CTC. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 4:14:52 PM EDT
[#34]
I decided in the Optimum Micro. No FRP and stupid quiet on my Ruger 1022TD, American rimfire, charger and 2245. My choice was first to be "Overbuilt" and price. Being rated to 22-250 is a major plus. Quieter on my RAR 556 than my 36M. But on the Mini-14 it was the opposite. That was not a big deal. If I by another 22 suppressor it most likely will be another Optimum Micro. The increased weight doesn't bother me in the least little bit.
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Posted: 3/6/2023 5:46:09 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I decided in the Optimum Micro. No FRP and stupid quiet on my Ruger 1022TD, American rimfire, charger and 2245. My choice was first to be "Overbuilt" and price. Being rated to 22-250 is a major plus. Quieter on my RAR 556 than my 36M. But on the Mini-14 it was the opposite. That was not a big deal. If I by another 22 suppressor it most likely will be another Optimum Micro. The increased weight doesn't bother me in the least little bit. And... I, too, just decided on an Optimus Micro. Ordered! |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 4:05:14 PM EDT
[#36]
Ok, I'm requesting this damn thread gets locked. When it started it was "Mask!" so I bought a Mask. Then it was "But Mustang is good!" so I went and bought a Mustang. Now its all "Optimus" or "TBAC!"
I need this damn thread locked so ya'll quit spendin my money., 
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Posted: 3/7/2023 7:54:58 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, I'm requesting this damn thread gets locked. When it started it was "Mask!" so I bought a Mask. Then it was "But Mustang is good!" so I went and bought a Mustang. Now its all "Optimus" or "TBAC!" I need this damn thread locked so ya'll quit spendin my money., Ha, there are so many options and so many recommendations it's hard to decide. Mask seemed to be the overwhelming majority response in many threads so I was kind of set on ordering one. But then the next thread had many saying the Rugged Oculus was just as good. Ended up picking the Oculus as my first suppressor. Now I'm back and forth on a 9mm can for my MPX as the recommendations are all over the place.
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Posted: 3/7/2023 8:09:39 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought a Silencerco Sparrow and I've been very happy with it. I really like mine as well. Owning a Dead air, and a JK ARMS the Sparrow was #3 and I was expecting it to be louder, or have more first round pop due to its stupid cheap price tag but I was presently surprised to find it was a great can and highly underrated on Arfcom |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 10:41:50 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither. Don't buy a can based one what's in stock. if you want the mask, wait for it. It shouldn't take that long in the grand scheme of things. If you really don't want to wait, the YHM Phantom .22 seems to be in stock at most places. I will actually be comparing one directly against my Mask and EII today or tomorrow so I can tell you how it stacks up if you are interested? Have you done this comparison yet? Interested to hear your observations. I have a Phantom, but don’t have any other .22 cans to compare it to. I’d like to hear your experience. |
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Posted: 3/13/2023 3:45:24 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you done this comparison yet? Interested to hear your observations. I have a Phantom, but don’t have any other .22 cans to compare it to. I’d like to hear your experience. @bballman25 Sorry for the late reply. Got rained out that weekend but got to mess with it a little this past weekend. Overall, the Phantom IMO is meh  It is lightweight and sound wise it was on pair with my Mask and E2 but its larger than both. Visually it is very unappealing (to me) because of the size, shape and shiny black finish. It does have FRP on both pistol and rifle (which normally I despise) but it was minimal so I don't think that would bother me too much? Overall not a bad option but I don't think I'd buy one. 
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Posted: 3/13/2023 5:01:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @bballman25 Sorry for the late reply. Got rained out that weekend but got to mess with it a little this past weekend. Overall, the Phantom IMO is meh It is lightweight and sound wise it was on pair with my Mask and E2 but its larger than both. Visually it is very unappealing (to me) because of the size, shape and shiny black finish. It does have FRP on both pistol and rifle (which normally I despise) but it was minimal so I don't think that would bother me too much? Overall not a bad option but I don't think I'd buy one. https://i.imgur.com/H2rbIcE.jpg Thanks for the comparison. Sounds like the function of the Phantom is on par, you’re just not enamored with the looks. |
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Posted: 3/13/2023 9:57:46 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the comparison. Sounds like the function of the Phantom is on par, you’re just not enamored with the looks. Partly the looks, partly the FRP, partly the overall build quality. Time was limited so I didn't get to take it apart and really go over it but it felt kind of cheap compared to the rimfire cans I have? IDK, I don't think its a bad suppessor but it didn't impress me much either. Like I said, just meh? |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 10:47:15 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, I'm requesting this damn thread gets locked. When it started it was "Mask!" so I bought a Mask. Then it was "But Mustang is good!" so I went and bought a Mustang. Now its all "Optimus" or "TBAC!" I need this damn thread locked so ya'll quit spendin my money., Sorry bro, just work more and buy more cans. It also helps pass the wait time. I just got my third one out of jail, ordered a Mustang on 2/14, about to pull the trigger on another 5.56 suppressor and an sbr. F*** my checking account! |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 11:02:22 AM EDT
[#44]
If the Mask is out of stock, look hard at the Vidar from Hansohn Brothers. Class leading acoustic signature, perfect materials, great price. It's everything you need, nothing you don't.
SilentMike Dead Air AAC 1.0 1998-2018 |
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