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Posted: 5/17/2026 6:38:54 PM EDT
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Any firsthand experience opinions? I tried to order something, and had some weird shit happen. UPDATE: He called and emailed me about 7 or 8 times, trying to close the deal. I never responded. I just got an email saying my unpaid for item had shipped, complete with a tracking number. WTF is this? |
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Originally Posted By FantasticPlastic: Any firsthand experience opinions? I tried to order something, and had some weird shit happen. Was the weird shit them actually fulfilling your order? Because this thread makes it seem to be unlikely otherwise |
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Originally Posted By Spudgunr: Was the weird shit them actually fulfilling your order? Because this thread makes it seem to be unlikely otherwise No. I got a really strange voicemail where he wanted Zelle, or "his friend" to do a CC transfer for a part. Everything about this guy screamed "NO NO NO". Edited to add: In the 1960s the Mafia discovered that if they ran honest games in Vegas, they made more money. It strikes me as bizarre that after Geoff Herring and Todd Bailey's bullshit, and a bunch of other grifter cock suckers in the firearms world, that guys with the skills to produce good quality items can't figure that out. Lima Six is going to make a metric fuckton of money. Once that 7.62mm upper comes out, Harvey can retire. Make the shit we want, and make some bank. The market isn't simply in existence, it is built in to the paradigm, and we want novel, well made stuff that serves a purpose. Hell, look at PSA. PSA's problem is a lack of manufacturing capacity. It's there. Make stuff we want, make money, be happy. |
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Originally Posted By FantasticPlastic: Lima Six is going to make a metric fuckton of money. Once that 7.62mm upper comes out, Harvey can retire. Make the shit we want, and make some bank. The market isn't simply in existence, it is built in to the paradigm, and we want novel, well-made stuff that serves a purpose. IMHO two issues with the 7.62x51mm upper are 1) no standardized AR-10 platform, as there is with the AR-15, and 2) partly due to issue #1, there are not as many (reliable?) FRT options for the 7.62x51mm upper yet... Harvey's LimaSix is great (I have more than one!), yet its success is partly driven by its timing, i.e. the release coinciding with the proliferation of FRTs available now in the market... we need more reliable AR-10 FRT options, which will in turn help development and eventual sales of Harvey's 7.62x51mm belt-fed upper |
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I have ordered 3 times from them. Things that were in stock like the 80% belt fed lower, etc. All my stuff shipped fast and all went great. That said, I done some research on them and they got a massively shady past. I only ordered a few things I could get nowhere else and I used a spare CC to order. Also what you tried to order, Inoculum makes a nice one and they are GTG. https://inoculum-group.com/ |
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Originally Posted By hrt4me: IMHO two issues with the 7.62x51mm upper are 1) no standardized AR-10 platform, as there is with the AR-15, and 2) partly due to issue #1, there are not as many (reliable?) FRT options for the 7.62x51mm upper yet... Harvey's LimaSix is great (I have more than one!), yet its success is partly driven by its timing, i.e. the release coinciding with the proliferation of FRTs available now in the market... we need more reliable AR-10 FRT options, which will in turn help development and eventual sales of Harvey's 7.62x51mm belt-fed upper Originally Posted By hrt4me: Originally Posted By FantasticPlastic: Lima Six is going to make a metric fuckton of money. Once that 7.62mm upper comes out, Harvey can retire. Make the shit we want, and make some bank. The market isn't simply in existence, it is built in to the paradigm, and we want novel, well-made stuff that serves a purpose. IMHO two issues with the 7.62x51mm upper are 1) no standardized AR-10 platform, as there is with the AR-15, and 2) partly due to issue #1, there are not as many (reliable?) FRT options for the 7.62x51mm upper yet... Harvey's LimaSix is great (I have more than one!), yet its success is partly driven by its timing, i.e. the release coinciding with the proliferation of FRTs available now in the market... we need more reliable AR-10 FRT options, which will in turn help development and eventual sales of Harvey's 7.62x51mm belt-fed upper I think that Harvey said that the 7.62 version will be made to use on a regular AR15 lower receiver, or at least that is his plan. If that doesn't work out, I wonder if using a Hydra lower with a different "mag well" attachment might work. |
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I ordered a few things from cryostructures.... Some non machined raw cast lowers and uppers, a complete lower for a belt gun [that was made by and even shipped] from black widow firearms and some 50-80% lowers that are basically non usable so I can use them to practice my laser engraving. They were all shipped quickly. ...........BUT!!! I also ordered a 300blk belt upper....in Nov was told will ship in dec...then by the end of dec....then by end of jan... I called black widow firearms up and some other companies down that he was supposedly working with on this endevor and asked what is the story and what is really going on with this guy paul....they all said that have not seen any progress or indication of a completed upper in 2 years but also for 2 years have been told "just waiting on a few more parts and my investors to.....blah blah blah" I called cryo and the cc company the same day and told him to refund the money for the belt upper and told the cc company it's a scam....i want to file a claim.... I [[THINK]] THIS IS A GUY WORKING OUT OF A SMALL LEASED OFFICE AND HIS GARAGE...HE IS TRYING TO MAKE A GUN BUSINESS BUT DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNDS OR INVESTORS SO HE IS PULLING IN MONEY ANYWAY HE CAN AND NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. I DO NOT THINK HE IS SCAMMER OR A THIEF.....HE IS JUST NOT BEING HONEST AND HIS PLAN IS NOT WORKING OUT LIKE HE WANTED IT TO....AND IT IS ALL FALLING APART. (BUSINESS ADDRESS GOES TO A BUILDING THAT IS OCCUPIED BY A SECURITY COMPANY THAT DOES HOME INSTALLS AND THEY HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH PAUL.......and do not even know who he is) It's just a guy with no money trying to go big and instead of starting small and working his way up..... Buy the trinkets from him and you will be ok......belt uppers...NOPE! |
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@C3H6-RDX-N6O6 Paul Russ is absolutely a thief and runs ponzi schemes. You will get ripped off when they fold up the business like he did the last time with Shadow Ops and resurfaces a few years later to do it again Post #34 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/It-s-2-14-2024-where-s-the-Cryostructure-Shrike-clone-upper-/65-550065/?page=2 |
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If you’re considering buying from Paul and Cryostructure…DON’T! You’re not getting your money back if he already has it. After two years, three bad barrels, and countless hours trying to help him unfuck his product, I finally asked for a refund. After a bunch of reminders and persistence Paul refunded me $100 and then $300 in a couple separate instances. I called him on ending the games at the beginning of this month and demanded he pay me the remainder of the balance (call it about $600) and he sent me a screenshot of his Cryo bank account overdrawn with a negative $229.16 balance. I asked if he’d provide me with a dual feed AR lower or other product instead…he doesn’t have anything for inventory except feed box adapters and reinforcing rails that obviously aren’t selling (fast anyways). I was going to just take that offer but I’ve changed my mind. Asked if he has any personal firearms he could use to cover the rest…he does but won’t. He’s a textbook sociopath who will sell you a line of bull with a smile, take advantage of every bit of patience and kindness you have, and then walk away with whatever he can. PLEASE READ IF PAUL HAS YOUR MONEY AND WILL NOT REFUND YOU… Send me a PM if you’ve paid Paul for a product, asked for a refund, and have been unable to secure a refund. Keep all of your correspondence with him. I’m having a chat with a VA Commonwealth’s Attorney in the next week or two in order to explain the situation and confirm my planned way ahead is the best way to proceed. To go into that conversation informed I’d like to be able to give a rough estimate on the number of people he ripped off and the amount of money he stole. May never see a cent of money back, but if I can get Cryostructure shut down and prevent him from stealing anyone else’s money then it’s a win in my book. PM me by the end of June with a rough amount owed. If you know anyone else he’s ripped off let them know or help me account for what they’re owed too. |
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Originally Posted By hrt4me: IMHO two issues with the 7.62x51mm upper are 1) no standardized AR-10 platform, as there is with the AR-15, and 2) partly due to issue #1, there are not as many (reliable?) FRT options for the 7.62x51mm upper yet... Harvey's LimaSix is great (I have more than one!), yet its success is partly driven by its timing, i.e. the release coinciding with the proliferation of FRTs available now in the market... we need more reliable AR-10 FRT options, which will in turn help development and eventual sales of Harvey's 7.62x51mm belt-fed upper There's no reason for a 7.62x51 upper to use anything related to AR10s. |
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Originally Posted By AZ_Hi_Desert: A 7.62 NATO beltfed is going to need some heft behind it to make recoil more controllable. A gen 1 DPMS pattern lower would help in that regard. While I don't disagree, there are a lot of ways to add mass that don't introduce AR10 related compatibility issues that are going to have significantly more impact on recoil management than a large frame lower will have. |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: If you’re considering buying from Paul and Cryostructure…DON’T! You’re not getting your money back if he already has it. After two years, three bad barrels, and countless hours trying to help him unfuck his product, I finally asked for a refund. After a bunch of reminders and persistence Paul refunded me $100 and then $300 in a couple separate instances. I called him on ending the games at the beginning of this month and demanded he pay me the remainder of the balance (call it about $600) and he sent me a screenshot of his Cryo bank account overdrawn with a negative $229.16 balance. I asked if he’d provide me with a dual feed AR lower or other product instead…he doesn’t have anything for inventory except feed box adapters and reinforcing rails that obviously aren’t selling (fast anyways). I was going to just take that offer but I’ve changed my mind. Asked if he has any personal firearms he could use to cover the rest…he does but won’t. He’s a textbook sociopath who will sell you a line of bull with a smile, take advantage of every bit of patience and kindness you have, and then walk away with whatever he can. PLEASE READ IF PAUL HAS YOUR MONEY AND WILL NOT REFUND YOU… Send me a PM if you’ve paid Paul for a product, asked for a refund, and have been unable to secure a refund. Keep all of your correspondence with him. I’m having a chat with a VA Commonwealth’s Attorney in the next week or two in order to explain the situation and confirm my planned way ahead is the best way to proceed. To go into that conversation informed I’d like to be able to give a rough estimate on the number of people he ripped off and the amount of money he stole. May never see a cent of money back, but if I can get Cryostructure shut down and prevent him from stealing anyone else’s money then it’s a win in my book. PM me by the end of June with a rough amount owed. If you know anyone else he’s ripped off let them know or help me account for what they’re owed too. Good on you for pursuing this, I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already. I can’t imagine the amount of money he has raked in taking pre orders on the upper and everything else he has promised to bring to the market. Edit: looks like he is still taking money for the upper Attached File |
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Originally Posted By FBATFE: Good on you for pursuing this, I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already. I can’t imagine the amount of money he has raked in taking pre orders on the upper and everything else he has promised to bring to the market. Edit: looks like he is still taking money for the upper Just like a typical ponzi scheme. He will take the money to pay off the original "investors" |
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Originally Posted By C3H6-RDX-N6O6: I [[THINK]] THIS IS A GUY WORKING OUT OF A SMALL LEASED OFFICE AND HIS GARAGE...HE IS TRYING TO MAKE A GUN BUSINESS BUT DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNDS OR INVESTORS SO HE IS PULLING IN MONEY ANYWAY HE CAN AND NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. I DO NOT THINK HE IS SCAMMER OR A THIEF.....HE IS JUST NOT BEING HONEST AND HIS PLAN IS NOT WORKING OUT LIKE HE WANTED IT TO....AND IT IS ALL FALLING APART. It's just a guy with no money trying to go big and instead of starting small and working his way up..... Buy the trinkets from him and you will be ok......belt uppers...NOPE! If he wasnt a scammer, he wouldnt still be taking money for a product that he knows he will not deliver. The only other option is that he is extremely mentally challenged and somehow things a person will swoop in overnight, give him millions of dollars and run CNC machines for him to complete these orders. He has been through this before. And he blames the private equity company, that tried to salvage shadow ops weaponry, for his downfall. He has lied this whole time. He has constantly lied about what he has produced and what he is waiting on to be finished. Thats a scammer. The basic definition of a scam is someone lying to take your money, and thats what Paul has been doing for a long long time. In this thread or others, I have documented many of his lies. And they are easily probable as lies, as he contradicts his own claims. So itd be impossible for everything he says to he true |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: If you’re considering buying from Paul and Cryostructure…DON’T! You’re not getting your money back if he already has it. After two years, three bad barrels, and countless hours trying to help him unfuck his product, I finally asked for a refund. After a bunch of reminders and persistence Paul refunded me $100 and then $300 in a couple separate instances. I called him on ending the games at the beginning of this month and demanded he pay me the remainder of the balance (call it about $600) and he sent me a screenshot of his Cryo bank account overdrawn with a negative $229.16 balance. I asked if he’d provide me with a dual feed AR lower or other product instead…he doesn’t have anything for inventory except feed box adapters and reinforcing rails that obviously aren’t selling (fast anyways). I was going to just take that offer but I’ve changed my mind. Asked if he has any personal firearms he could use to cover the rest…he does but won’t. He’s a textbook sociopath who will sell you a line of bull with a smile, take advantage of every bit of patience and kindness you have, and then walk away with whatever he can. PLEASE READ IF PAUL HAS YOUR MONEY AND WILL NOT REFUND YOU… Send me a PM if you’ve paid Paul for a product, asked for a refund, and have been unable to secure a refund. Keep all of your correspondence with him. I’m having a chat with a VA Commonwealth’s Attorney in the next week or two in order to explain the situation and confirm my planned way ahead is the best way to proceed. To go into that conversation informed I’d like to be able to give a rough estimate on the number of people he ripped off and the amount of money he stole. May never see a cent of money back, but if I can get Cryostructure shut down and prevent him from stealing anyone else’s money then it’s a win in my book. PM me by the end of June with a rough amount owed. If you know anyone else he’s ripped off let them know or help me account for what they’re owed too. I posted this to some other forums. People will read this and still give Paul their credit card for a beltfed upper. |
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