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Posted: 2/14/2024 9:39:16 AM EDT
| Just checked the website and my email, no changes/announcements. Vaporware or just lousy at updating their website? |
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Originally Posted By Deny_Everything: I saw they added the item to their website, but it's out of stock and the stock alert feature is being weird. Its been on the website (OOS) for a month plus at least withthe release date oif 2/14. I signed for notifications the minute I saw it, havent heard anything. |
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A belt fed upper is an immensely complex piece of manufacturing, and all it takes is one process of a single part to delay it. Most likely they are just a bit behind on having it fully finished, I wouldnt bust their balls for no updates yet. Sven Manticore Arms |
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I don’t see it anywhere on their website. Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: A belt fed upper is an immensely complex piece of manufacturing, and all it takes is one process of a single part to delay it. Most likely they are just a bit behind on having it fully finished, I wouldnt bust their balls for no updates yet. Sven Manticore Arms Agreed. |
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Originally Posted By JoshNC: I don’t see it anywhere on their website. Agreed. @JoshNC https://www.cryostructure.com/product/mcr-cloned-belt-fed-upper-receiver/ |
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Originally Posted By AKzgalore: I may have recently received a whistleblower's word that the folks over at FightLite Industries are very pissed about Paul at Cryostructure, and may be pursuing some sort of action... I wonder on what grounds. FL/Ares patent is expired. |
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Originally Posted By JoshNC: I wonder on what grounds. FL/Ares patent is expired. It was discussed somewhere on arfcom, iirc the bolt/piston patent was active still thru '27 ?? Not in front of the desktop so I'm not going to find the patent info right now. |
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Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo: didnt it take like six years to get the Shrike on the market? My cousin waited 10 years. Between the time that he put down a $1,000.00 deposit and when they told him that he needed to send in the $1,500.00 to complete the sale was a few months shy of 10 years. Scott |
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Originally Posted By canon3825: My cousin waited 10 years. Between the time that he put down a $1,000.00 deposit and when they told him that he needed to send in the $1,500.00 to complete the sale was a few months shy of 10 years. Scott I recall guys selling their deposit/place in line after a year or 5 of waiting. Sturmgewehr/subguns etc |
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Personal, I think that the "hiccup" was that Mr . Herring misjudged the cost of producing the upper. So he used those deposits for other products while waiting for those that asked for their deposit back. He finally got to the point of being able to produce the number of uppers that he was going to loose money on to get to the doubled in price new orders. Of course that was also ten years of the patent, inwhich he was not making the upper, but the clock was ticking on the patent. I think if he had been honest with the depositors and asked for another $500, or whatever his break even point would be, I think that most would have given him the money and been able to use the upper for ten years. There were no "winners" in how things played out. Sure, there would have been a few that held out for the $2,500 price. Ten plus years was a ridiculous time to wait. This is just my opinion. YMMV. Scott |
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Originally Posted By linuxgnar: Hadn't heard of these before. Definitely interested. Anyone know what would be required to get one to run with a RLL? Standard BCG milling? I can't speak to the Cryo vaporware upper but the Ares/Fightlight version, yes you just need to mill the carrier. The original "semi" Ares carriers were close to if not drop in as they were SP1 spec. The new ones all come with full auto spec carriers that I have seen and require milling the carrier back. |
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Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo: didnt it take like six years to get the Shrike on the market? I got on the Shrike waiting list in October of 1998. Ares took my deposit in July of 2002. I think I finally got the unit around 2012. Tony |
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The MCR-clone barrel page says April 30 now. https://www.cryostructure.com/product/belt-fed-upper-cold-hammer-forged-heavy-16-5-barrel/ |
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Originally Posted By Stonia: Posted today https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000003374_jpg-3179338.JPG The fact it's a picture of the CAD model and not a photo of a prototype part sure doesn't inspire much hope. I doubt we're going to see the uppers for years. |
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email response from the owner paul. Technically, we are taking orders now, but delivery is not until July currently. Price is $3,300 and includes a customized JP type of silent buffer spring that is balanced to the bolt carrier group. We also have a 6 position gas system so that it will work with any 5.56 mm ammo. Current backlog is 153 uppers. Order of satisfaction 1) Pre-paid orders 2) 1/2 deposit orders 3) Previous Belt Fed Lower orders 4) Previous 80% belt-fed lowers orders (quantity 2 or more) 5) Belt fed Barrel Assembly orders 6) Previous Cryostructure order customers 7) General public |
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Per an email reply, they're now saying by June 30 for barrel orders. They're making the uppers available to barrel buyers on June 30? Or they're shipping barrels on June 30? |
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Originally Posted By NWRed: They're making the uppers available to barrel buyers on June 30? Or they're shipping barrels on June 30? Originally Posted By NWRed: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Per an email reply, they're now saying by June 30 for barrel orders. They're making the uppers available to barrel buyers on June 30? Or they're shipping barrels on June 30? They said barrels by June 30. I only asked about barrels since that's all I ordered; I already have an MCR. |
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He’s been pretty communicative with me. Give him some time, or don’t, either way you’ll likely get your barrel soon. He’ll just suffer more stress as he’s hustling to get this order done. I would like to see him be successful in the gun community. His lower on my MCR has been boobies. These barrels are pretty inexpensive, and probably of good quality. We’ll see won’t we. I asked to be placed on the list for the BF 308 upper. If he gets that to work, that could be fun |
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the Page is here but the signup is bugged out. https://www.cryostructure.com/product/mcr-cloned-belt-fed-upper-receiver/ best bet seems to reach out by email here https://www.cryostructure.com/contact-us/ |
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They recently posted a CAD render of a new lower. Someone in the comments asked about the upper ETA and the response was late ETA: Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By jhoule: So. The barrel assembly website says delivery by June 30,2024 or you get a free barrel assembly. Today is June 30 and I do not have my order. Has anyone else gotten their order or have any updates? May be busy with his 50 BMG project Attached File |
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He also has preorders for HK21 barrels, supposed to ship July 31st https://www.cryostructure.com/product/hk21-barrel-7-62mm/ |
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Originally Posted By Type7SOT: May be busy with his 50 BMG project https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490765/1000006660_jpg-3254856.JPG I tried finding that tweet, and boy is his X account something. I don't think there's a conspiracy theory that he thinks is invalid. |
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Originally Posted By jhoule: So. The barrel assembly website says delivery by June 30,2024 or you get a free barrel assembly. Today is June 30 and I do not have my order. Has anyone else gotten their order or have any updates? Nope, but in answer to my request for an update, he replied, "My guys are still working on their items ~ Looks like you get a free extra barrel system. I added it to system notes ~ Paul" It does worry me that he's pre-selling a lot of vaporware, robbing Peter to pay Paul. My impression is that he is honestly working on it, but it's always dangerous to over-promise. |
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Originally Posted By ManlyMatt: Nope, but in answer to my request for an update, he replied, "My guys are still working on their items ~ Looks like you get a free extra barrel system. I added it to system notes ~ Paul" It does worry me that he's pre-selling a lot of vaporware, robbing Peter to pay Paul. My impression is that he is honestly working on it, but it's always dangerous to over-promise. Originally Posted By ManlyMatt: Originally Posted By jhoule: So. The barrel assembly website says delivery by June 30,2024 or you get a free barrel assembly. Today is June 30 and I do not have my order. Has anyone else gotten their order or have any updates? Nope, but in answer to my request for an update, he replied, "My guys are still working on their items ~ Looks like you get a free extra barrel system. I added it to system notes ~ Paul" It does worry me that he's pre-selling a lot of vaporware, robbing Peter to pay Paul. My impression is that he is honestly working on it, but it's always dangerous to over-promise. Did you order a complete upper or just a barrel assembly? |
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