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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:44:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Have a couple cans with a local dealer and one has been recently approved but the dealer has moved his shop 3 hours away. Last month he said he would be passing through town in August, I've emailed a couple of times to see if he has a date yet but no response, called today and left a message, haven't heard back. What would be the next step? Contact silencershop, maybe the atf? Once the stamp comes in the dealer could do a "non over the counter transfer" (ship to your door). He absolutely cannot just drop by as he's passing through town. An FFL can only conduct business from two locations: his licensed premises and a gun show or special event. Door Dash is verboten. ATF wont do shit. Silencer Shop will be happy to remind the dealer of his obligations. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:22:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once the stamp comes in the dealer could do a "non over the counter transfer" (ship to your door). He absolutely cannot just drop by as he's passing through town. An FFL can only conduct business from two locations: his licensed premises and a gun show or special event. Door Dash is verboten. ATF wont do shit. Silencer Shop will be happy to remind the dealer of his obligations. Ok, i figured as long as we did the 4473 and approval then we were good, wasn't aware it had to be at hos shop since you can do a 4473 at a gun show. I think he still has the building his shop was in, not sure if it is still considered his place of business though. How does the "non over the counter transfer" work? I asked him last month is he could mail me a 4473 to fill out and send back, he could do the background check and ship me the can but he said he couldn't do that. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:31:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does the "non over the counter transfer" work? I asked him last month is he could mail me a 4473 to fill out and send back, he could do the background check and ship me the can but he said he couldn't do that. Non-OTC: ATF Proc. 2013-2 It’s what allows Capitol Armory and Silencer Central to operate the way they do. Some dealers won’t do it. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:36:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, i figured as long as we did the 4473 and approval then we were good, wasn't aware it had to be at hos shop since you can do a 4473 at a gun show. I think he still has the building his shop was in, not sure if it is still considered his place of business though. Straight from the 4473: Generally, ATF Form 4473 must be completed at the licensed business premises when a firearm is transferred over-the-counter. Federal law, 18 U.S.C. 922(c), allows a licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer to sell a firearm to a nonlicensee who does not appear in person at the licensee’s business premises only if the transferee/ buyer meets certain requirements. These requirements are set forth in section 922(c), 27 CFR 478.96(b), and ATF Procedure 2013-2 (or subsequent update).  Question 25. Qualifying Gun Show or Event: As defined in 27 CFR 478.100, a gun show or event is a function sponsored by any national, State, or local organization, devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms, or an organization or association that sponsors functions devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms in the community. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:40:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, i figured as long as we did the 4473 and approval then we were good, wasn't aware it had to be at hos shop since you can do a 4473 at a gun show. Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, i figured as long as we did the 4473 and approval then we were good, wasn't aware it had to be at hos shop since you can do a 4473 at a gun show. Like I said two locations: the licensed premises and a gun show. Absolutely, positively he cannot just drive by and drop off or meet at a Wal Mart or even another gun shop. I think he still has the building his shop was in, not sure if it is still considered his place of business though. Not likely. An FFL is issued to a specific address....the "licensed premises". If the FFL address is 100 Main St, he can't conduct business next door at 102 Main St. How does the "non over the counter transfer" work? I asked him last month is he could mail me a 4473 to fill out and send back, he could do the background check and ship me the can but he said he couldn't do that.  |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:39:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not likely. An FFL is issued to a specific address....the "licensed premises". If the FFL address is 100 Main St, he can't conduct business next door at 102 Main St. Ok, I think he went into business with another shop and is now working out of the other shop but his SOT is still the address here. Not totally sure though as he has quit responding, what sucks is I'm 70 days into a eform 4 on the other one he has so I will have to go through this all over again. I will share the non-otc form with him and see if that will work, probably see if silencershop will speak with him as well. Thanks for the help, never dealt with this before, I already have a new powered by silencershop dealer so no more of this nonsense. |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 11:55:36 AM EDT
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Drive the 3 hours and be done with it.
He's probably not going to do a 2020-1 unless he knows EXACTLY what he's doing. It's not hard, but there are a lot of weird things the ATF pulls with them. |
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Posted: 8/10/2022 8:28:09 PM EDT
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Got a response after I sent a copy of the non-otc so I guess he will do the transfer via mail and the suppressor shipped to me after the paperwork is done.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:14:46 PM EDT
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awesome, it does still take a bit of time once you fill out that paperwork & he submits to batfe.
it works tho, they CAN ship to your door. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:42:02 PM EDT
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I'm 75 days into a eform 4 through this dealer too so I will get to do it all over again in 30-60 days. Yeah.....
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