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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:10:18 PM EDT
Hodgdon IMR Winchester Accurate and Ramshot are taking first of the year increases 18-35%
Alliant is about 10% |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:33:39 PM EDT
[#1]
They've already gone up 80% from pre-WuFlu.
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:41:02 PM EDT
[#2]
One place I go isn't to bad yet.
And white box 41 primers at 50.00 1000 is better than most places. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 1:10:18 PM EDT
[#3]
Alliant is unobtanium around here
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Posted: 1/4/2024 1:28:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rn22723]
[#4]
IMR 35% range
Accurate and Ramshot 18% Some of the ADI Hodgdon stuff only 11 percent like Varget Only powder that did not go up was Titewad Winchester 18 percent or more and same for St. Marks made Hodgdon Guess VV will be looking cheap..... |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 1:49:07 PM EDT
[#5]
Pricing themselves and us out of the game..
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Posted: 1/4/2024 2:25:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Is reloading now as expensive as buying factory ammo?
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USA
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Posted: 1/4/2024 2:30:16 PM EDT
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one pound of IMR powder,....$59.99 at powder valley. Umm no.
They had varget in stock.....$389/ 8#s iirc. About $50 a pound. Not doing it. I’ll start making black powder by hand. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/4/2024 2:36:56 PM EDT
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I was just doing some math while loading some 12ga 8shot target loads. With the current prices on components i don't think its worth it to reload target loads anymore. Once i run out of components i probably won't reload target loads anymore.
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Posted: 1/4/2024 2:41:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HighpowerRifleBrony]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Is reloading now as expensive as buying factory ammo? Either components are a truer representation of inflation, or we're getting gouged. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2024 2:41:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: slowr1der]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Is reloading now as expensive as buying factory ammo? Pretty much. I've been reloading for a long time and for the most part outside of obscure rounds, and situations where I'm looking for the most accuracy possible, it doesn't make much sense anymore. Pistol rounds especially come to mind. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 2:58:23 PM EDT
[#11]
Are these brands all owned by Blackrock/Vista?
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Posted: 1/4/2024 3:12:05 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Normlizer: I was just doing some math while loading some 12ga 8shot target loads. With the current prices on components i don't think its worth it to reload target loads anymore. Once i run out of components i probably won't reload target loads anymore. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 3:19:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
[#13]
It’s never going back down, only , up, up, up, up.. ( not for decades ) because before it was shortages / panics, these days it’s shortages, panics, government regulations, added antigun taxes, shipping increases, and the big one, inflation created by dumbass government policies, and out of control spending , shit powder wil probably be $100 a lb a year or two from now, primers $200 per thousand at this rate.
 So if you need it, best take the damage and buy it now. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 3:20:15 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Has been since '21. Either components are a truer representation of inflation, or we're getting gouged. we're getting gouged. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2024 7:08:44 PM EDT
[#15]
So I never got around to reloading have all the equipment brass and primers…
Never got around to figuring out what powder to start with. Was going to try and buy some before it gets really bad. I have no clue what I should buy…. Planning on starting with 9mm then eventually do 5.56 one I have some experience. Does it matter what powder I buy? Can someone suggest ones I should look for? |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 7:24:48 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrSelfdestruct: So I never got around to reloading have all the equipment brass and primers… Never got around to figuring out what powder to start with. Was going to try and buy some before it gets really bad. I have no clue what I should buy…. Planning on starting with 9mm then eventually do 5.56 one I have some experience. Does it matter what powder I buy? Can someone suggest ones I should look for? If you can try and take a picture of what's on the shelf. Post it here and ask or at home with a book you can see what is compatible for your use. H-335 for 5.56/.223 is a solid pick in 55gr bullets |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 7:38:13 PM EDT
[#17]
What about the Israeli/HAMAS war and the Russian/Ukraine war? Doesn't that cause a huge strain on the components that are needed for reloading?
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2024 7:45:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGH456E]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: It’s never going back down, only , up, up, up, up.. ( not for decades ) because before it was shortages / panics, these days it’s shortages, panics, government regulations, added antigun taxes, shipping increases, and the big one, inflation created by dumbass government policies, and out of control spending , shit powder wil probably be $100 a lb a year or two from now, primers $200 per thousand at this rate. So if you need it, best take the damage and buy it now. I'm not so sure about your thoughts here.................. For decades, companies (not just reloading etc) have announced annual price increases. Thats nothing new. Yes, ammunition and reloading components have been in a cyclical flow of shortages/excess for decades now........... due primarily to political pressures (ie ban scares etc). Thats nothing new. And what isn't new either is supply/demand of markets, to include the shooting sports. Prices for most items (ammunition etc) are back down to "normal" levels............ it ebbs and flows ........... not "up up up." Right now, the pressure is for these blanket price increases............ but those aren't connected to the core supply/demand question. So they will raise prices, sales will drop, inventory will increase................. and the sales (price drops) will occur. It's been that way for decades. So just my 2%.......... prices will jump up in Jan/Feb........... then as spring hits, the sales will drive prices back down. Then in late summer/fall availability will drop as fears of the upcoming election come clearer and prices will go up. And the cycle repeats. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2024 7:48:42 PM EDT
[#19]
So I was worried I was going to loose out if I waited to take a pic…
There weren’t a lot of options still in stock . I bought hs-6 for the 9mm and benchmark for the rifle. Did I do ok? Also how much will a pound of powder reload? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2024 7:55:56 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Has been since '21. Either components are a truer representation of inflation, or we're getting gouged. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Originally Posted By _DR: Is reloading now as expensive as buying factory ammo? Either components are a truer representation of inflation, or we're getting gouged. Ammo companies are not our friends. They'd rather sell 1 bullet for a million dollars than a million bullets for a dollar each. They don't care that they're pricing the average guy out of shooting sports or reloading. In fact, that may be part of their plan. "We'll continue buying billions of rounds from you through our military contracts, but we're going to need some assurances regarding pricing on some of your "publically available" products...." Private companies are screwing us, and our rights, at least as hard as the .gov right now. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2024 8:47:34 PM EDT
[#21]
I’ve been through it a lot. Clinton, Obama and all the other scares to make components go up. Inflation has something to do with it. Some people say I’m crazy but it’s everyone against us. They are going to price it way out of range just to get our guns one way or another. Yes all the wars put a strain on it. But the powder factory in LA catching fire? All the food plants catching fire? Vista being bought by a Czechoslovak company? The Chinese buying farmland and property surrounding a military base? Chinese spy ballon crossing the country? That’s just some of the stuff people don’t know. Red Dawn, terminator and I Robot in 20 years. Am I crazy???
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Posted: 1/4/2024 10:15:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrSelfdestruct: So I never got around to reloading have all the equipment brass and primers Never got around to figuring out what powder to start with. Was going to try and buy some before it gets really bad. I have no clue what I should buy . Planning on starting with 9mm then eventually do 5.56 one I have some experience. Does it matter what powder I buy? Can someone suggest ones I should look for? Here's a good starting point for what powders work for different calibers. https://hodgdonreloading.com/ |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 10:20:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrSelfdestruct: So I was worried I was going to loose out if I waited to take a pic… There weren’t a lot of options still in stock . I bought hs-6 for the 9mm and benchmark for the rifle. Did I do ok? Also how much will a pound of powder reload? Divide your powder charge into 7000, that's how many grains are in a pound. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 10:23:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrSelfdestruct: So I never got around to reloading have all the equipment brass and primers… Never got around to figuring out what powder to start with. Was going to try and buy some before it gets really bad. I have no clue what I should buy…. Planning on starting with 9mm then eventually do 5.56 one I have some experience. Does it matter what powder I buy? Can someone suggest ones I should look for? Yes. Buy a manual, preferably the manual published by the bullet manufacturer you are going to use. .223 can use a lot of different powders when loading 50 to 62 grain bullets, you will need slightly slower powders if you load 69 to 77 grain match bullets. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 11:17:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pavil58ar: What about the Israeli/HAMAS war and the Russian/Ukraine war? Doesn't that cause a huge strain on the components that are needed for reloading? That's what I've read is the deal with powder. The article said there isn't that many actual manufacturers of smokeless powder anymore and they also make the type of powder needed for mortar and especially artillery shells which is the focus right now. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/4/2024 11:50:56 PM EDT
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Below are some quick estimates.
155 artillery uses ~ 5.5 lb of powder per shot. Ukraine is shooting 5,500 shells per day. That is 15 tons of powder being burned per day for 155's only. They have been doing that for a year. That is enough powder to load 3 billion 556 rounds. That is just 155's |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 11:54:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oper28: I've been through it a lot. Clinton, Obama and all the other scares to make components go up. Inflation has something to do with it. Some people say I'm crazy but it's everyone against us. They are going to price it way out of range just to get our guns one way or another. Yes all the wars put a strain on it. But the powder factory in LA catching fire? All the food plants catching fire? Vista being bought by a Czechoslovak company? The Chinese buying farmland and property surrounding a military base? Chinese spy ballon crossing the country? That's just some of the stuff people don't know. Red Dawn, terminator and I Robot in 20 years. Am I crazy??? |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 12:01:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: R3L04D]
[#28]
I literally laughed at the gun show table a few weeks ago, where I passed on $60 1lbs containers. He had at least a dozen of them of CFE223, which is what I was after. Let alone the other powders. He had at least 50 pounds at the show.
Now I'm maybe understanding why, or question if it's one of those things I'll look back on and question why I didn't buy. I'm not an old timer, but I've seen $25 primer cases and bottles of prime powder at gun shows and I'm worried what the new norm is. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 1:40:37 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowr1der: Pretty much. I've been reloading for a long time and for the most part outside of obscure rounds, and situations where I'm looking for the most accuracy possible, it doesn't make much sense anymore. Pistol rounds especially come to mind. If a guy has been doing this a while and paying attention - he stocked up when stuff he regularly used was on sale for to have on hand for when it was not... :) |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 1:43:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: willyj73]
[#30]
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MS, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 2:10:10 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrSelfdestruct: So I was worried I was going to loose out if I waited to take a pic… SNIP... Also how much will a pound of powder reload? :) That is about the same as going to make a pot of chili and finding 3 beans left in your jar. Or a milk jug somebody put back in the fridge with nothing but a milky film left on its bottom... :) |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 2:44:15 AM EDT
[#32]
It's definitely gone way up, but still worth it, IMHO.
I load 9mm on a progressive press at 600-800 rounds an hour, and I save about $100 per 1,000 rounds (reusing brass or scrounged range brass). It would not pay to single stage it, but then when did it ever pay to single stage 9mm? Top shelf Hunting ammo (Accubonds, Barnes, etc) is like $5 to $10 a round anymore, but I load it for about $1.50 a round, and I tune it to my rifles. 5.56 is about $0.50 a round for low end brass cased, but I load it for about $0.25 a round. Kind of sucks, because brass trimming and other prep keeps me down around 250 rounds an hour, even using the progressive, but that's still north of $50 an hour. Definitely sucks balls paying 7 cents a primer and high powder prices, but still doesn't suck as bad a buying factory ammo. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 3:14:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Trollslayer]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrSelfdestruct: Planning on starting with 9mm then eventually do 5.56 one I have some experience. Does it matter what powder I buy? Can someone suggest ones I should look for? For 223/5.56, there are so many. I would look into TAC. I have quite a bit and it seems to work for all bullet weights. I think it is best with the heavies but it works with all. It is a ball powder, so it meters very well when throwing charges. It is reasonably priced. For 9mm, and all pistol cartridges, I would recommend W231. It just works! It has low flash, much lower than many others. It meters reasonably well. It works in almost all handgun cartridges. I use it it 9mm, 38, light to moderate 357 (not full power loads), 45 ACP,... you name it. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 3:26:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trollslayer: For 223/5.56, there are so many. I would look into TAC. I have quite a bit and it seems to work for all bullet weights. I think it is best with the heavies but it works with all. It is a ball powder, so it meters very well when throwing charges. It is reasonably priced. For 9mm, and all pistol cartridges, I would recommend W231. It just works! It has low flash, much lower than many others. It meters reasonably well. It works in almost all handgun cartridges. I use it it 9mm, 38, light to moderate 357 (not full power loads), 45 ACP,... you name it. This. TAC is the only rifle powder I can stil find being sold locally for $35 per pound. Everything else is $48+. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 3:28:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Trollslayer]
[#35]
It is the new year's beginning and it's time to update my inventory. It takes a few minutes to do but is worthwhile.
Having a reasonably accurate inventory list is HUGELY worthwhile for stress reduction and keeping expenditures under control. I'm reviewing mine right now, as I type this. I want to be sure I don't run short of "beans for my chili" or chili powder. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 3:44:42 AM EDT
[#36]
Curiously, .22LR prices are continuing to fall. In a reverse of the 2008 Obama era run. So while the ingredients that go into .22LR shells continue to be gouge-priced by the monopolistic practices of Hodgdon; the cost of .22LR is down to just 5 cents a shot now; with that primed cartridge with powder and casing, now costing almost half teh retail value of a reloaders primer alone. (Retail that is; bulk shoppers can do a better).
So... I'm buying 5 cent Mexican .22LR High Vel ammo by the thousands these day. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 4:09:13 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trollslayer: For 9mm, and all pistol cartridges, I would recommend W231. It just works! It has low flash, much lower than many others. It meters reasonably well. It works in almost all handgun cartridges. I use it it 9mm, 38, light to moderate 357 (not full power loads), 45 ACP,... you name it. That's what I use for my handgun loads (everything but full power 357 magnum). I just cleared out Miwall of all their HP-38 and W231. 22lbs should last me 10-15 years. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 6:08:43 AM EDT
[#38]
W231 is a good general powder for pistols. One reason i use it. But it sucks if you want max velocity.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 12:52:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reelserious: we're getting gouged. I suspect this. Hodgdon sells most brands of powders and has control of most of the supply. The brands they do not have are considerably cheaper and have hardly increased in price through the last few years. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 1:11:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R3L04D: I literally laughed at the gun show table a few weeks ago, where I passed on $60 1lbs containers. He had at least a dozen of them of CFE223, which is what I was after. Let alone the other powders. He had at least 50 pounds at the show. Now I'm maybe understanding why, or question if it's one of those things I'll look back on and question why I didn't buy. I'm not an old timer, but I've seen $25 primer cases and bottles of prime powder at gun shows and I'm worried what the new norm is. Bass pro is $40 /lb for CFE 223 as of last Saturday. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 1:19:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: _DR]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowr1der: Pretty much. I've been reloading for a long time and for the most part outside of obscure rounds, and situations where I'm looking for the most accuracy possible, it doesn't make much sense anymore. Pistol rounds especially come to mind. I bought a bunch back when most powders were ~ $28. Guess I'll have to use that up. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 1:42:22 PM EDT
[#42]
Is there a press release for this or anything?
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 1:45:57 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Is reloading now as expensive as buying factory ammo? It's certainly far less fun anymore. Got sick of the constant need to swap components and powders and trying to chase anything in stock years ago. Doesn't appear to have changed much. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 1:49:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: They've already gone up 80% from pre-WuFlu. And that's WHEN you can find them. Most of the stuff I'm interested in is either OOS, or occasionally in stock, but only in 1-lb bottles. The days of being able to pick up a 4- or 8-pound jug whenever you felt like it are now a thing of history. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 1:53:22 PM EDT
[#45]
IMR was 58.99 yesterday For 1lbs of 3031 was all they had and about 12 1lbs jugs of it
SRP CCI 11.00 a hundred Rem 6 1/6 small rifles cost me 103 after tax for a 1K sleeve. (97.00 per 1K) LRP were 16.89 per 100 they only had six 100 packs left. Wanted them but didn't need them anymore then I needed the remmy primers I bought. This was my local True Value hardware store. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 1:53:25 PM EDT
[#46]
Ordered 3# of powder yesterday, $170 with shipping and hazmat, outrageous. I guess my competition shooting is going to take a nose dive.
Back in the day I would cast bullets with scrap lead. 45 target loads cost me a couple dollars a box. This allowed me to shoot a lot and hone my skills. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 2:49:30 PM EDT
[#47]
I found a lb. of Varget in the back of my reloading room.....marked $18. Not sure when I bought it, but it had to be 15+ year ago....
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 3:04:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: slowr1der]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aaron56: If a guy has been doing this a while and paying attention - he stocked up when stuff he regularly used was on sale for to have on hand for when it was not... :) Oh I did, and I still have enough to last me for a few more years. I learned this lesson a couple of shortages ago. However, I haven't seen any reasonable priced powder or primers in 3.5 years. Despite sticking up, there is going to be a point where I'm going to have to restock. I've been shooting a lot of factory pistol ammo recently since it's still fairly cheap. That let's me save my components for a time when ammo is high too. If you are just getting started reloading, it makes zero since imo for plinking ammo in common calibers. Which is what most people are after. |
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Posted: 1/5/2024 3:07:01 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By imq707s: I found a lb. of Varget in the back of my reloading room.....marked $18. Not sure when I bought it, but it had to be 15+ year ago.... That's about keeping up with S&P 500. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2024 3:24:24 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: I bought a bunch back when most powders were ~ $28. Guess I'll have to use that up. Same here, but it doesn't help people that are just starting out or those running out of components. I could have also stocked up on ammo when it was dirt cheap too and use the same argument though. Stuff like 9mm can be had for about 10% over what is was non sale price 10 years ago. Powder is up darn near 100%, primers are up 2-300%. Bullets are up the least and most of them are still up at least 20% if not more. It just doesn't make much sense. |
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