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Posted: 5/22/2020 9:02:07 PM EDT
[#1]
I have the same problems. I just bought some of the STA3 from Griffin to try on the threads, but havent gotten a chance to try it out yet. I tried teflon tape, but my piston threads are so sharp, they just rip the teflon off the barrel threads as soon as I put the piston on the barrel.
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Posted: 5/22/2020 9:13:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have the same problems. I just bought some of the STA3 from Griffin to try on the threads, but havent gotten a chance to try it out yet. I tried teflon tape, but my piston threads are so sharp, they just rip the teflon off the barrel threads as soon as I put the piston on the barrel. Yeah I finally had an end cap strike on my Revolution 9 tonight. Baffles are all fine. Gives me an excuse to buy one of their wipe ready endcaps 
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Posted: 5/22/2020 9:13:20 PM EDT
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I rarely shoot centerfire pistols suppressed. Just a cumbersome setup. I will say the Maxim 9 is a really nice package overall and is a far better platform that a standard pistol and long can IMO.
At the end of the day I rather be shooting rimfire or centerfire rifle. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 9:39:07 PM EDT
[#4]
Pistols are meh suppressed.
PCC’s shine when suppressed. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 9:52:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Buy some O-rings on Amazon
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Posted: 5/22/2020 9:57:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I finally had an end cap strike on my Revolution 9 tonight. Baffles are all fine. Gives me an excuse to buy one of their wipe ready endcaps Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have the same problems. I just bought some of the STA3 from Griffin to try on the threads, but havent gotten a chance to try it out yet. I tried teflon tape, but my piston threads are so sharp, they just rip the teflon off the barrel threads as soon as I put the piston on the barrel. Yeah I finally had an end cap strike on my Revolution 9 tonight. Baffles are all fine. Gives me an excuse to buy one of their wipe ready endcaps Yeah I might pick up one of the 9mm flash hider endcaps with their 15% off this weekend to try on my Octane 45. Not sure if I will ever use the wipe, but I guess having the option is nice. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 10:21:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Buy some O-rings on Amazon Isn't that a big no no? |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 10:36:29 PM EDT
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Yes I have sold all my threaded barrel hosts and my can lives on my AR9. It was an expensive lesson but it's all good now.
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Posted: 5/22/2020 11:49:36 PM EDT
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Not for everyone, but I like a can on a full size handgun for home defense.
Sure a shotgun or rifle is going to be more effective, but a handgun is handier. Hope and pray I never need it. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 11:50:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistols are meh suppressed. PCC’s shine when suppressed. +1 |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 11:59:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't that a big no no? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Buy some O-rings on Amazon Isn't that a big no no? explain why it would be a no no. |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 12:28:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistols are meh suppressed. PCC’s shine when suppressed. Yup |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 8:57:55 AM EDT
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I have a hybrid on the way and have no desire to get any pistol other than a braced scorpion. A g19 with a can does nothing for me. Ymmv
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Posted: 5/23/2020 12:34:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: explain why it would be a no no. I assume because it could lead to not being square on the shoulder. In fact if I remember right the M9A3 I had specifically said to remove the o ring before installing a suppressor. I could be mistaken though |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 12:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistols are meh suppressed. PCC’s shine when suppressed. But pistols when PCC'd are pretty sweet.   Attached File |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 12:49:40 PM EDT
[#16]
A full sized pistol with 15-20 rounds of ammo and 10+ ounces of silencer on the end is indeed unwieldy. Lots of folks are finding new homes for their pistol cans on PCC;s. I've been thoroughly enjoying a couple of non-boostered 9mm cans on a growing collection of .32 auto pistols. A nice old historical gat like a 1903 Colt with a threaded barrel from In-Lead -We-Trust, and a 6-7 ounce 9mm can is just a bit more of a handful than a .22 with a contemporary can, and makes a sound between a suppressed 9 and a suppressed 22. Lots of fun, no recoil, and no ejection port bark like you get with a lot of fixed barrel .380's with a 9mm can.
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Posted: 5/23/2020 12:55:00 PM EDT
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I've used an oring when putting my octane 45 on 9mm hosts, I know its not seating perfect but I also check to make sure I'm not deflecting enough to have a baffle strike.
Most of the time though I just tighten it when it's really hot (using a welding glove) and then I don't have a problem.... until it comes to getting the darn thing off. |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 1:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been thoroughly enjoying a couple of non-boostered 9mm cans on a growing collection of .32 auto pistols. A nice old historical gat like a 1903 Colt with a threaded barrel from In-Lead -We-Trust, and a 6-7 ounce 9mm can is just a bit more of a handful than a .22 with a contemporary can, and makes a sound between a suppressed 9 and a suppressed 22. @Atlmike, have you tried the In-Lead-We-Trust .25 threaded barrel yet? You know you have to build a complete set:  Note: Yes that is a Spectre 2 on that .25acp, no I didn't shoot it like that, was just to get an idea of supressor sizing. |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 1:29:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I will say the Maxim 9 is a really nice package overall and is a far better platform that a standard pistol and long can IMO. Agreed, actually sold my other handguns and dedicated the Tirant 9s to a PCC after getting the Maxim 9. |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 2:10:47 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But pistols when PCC'd are pretty sweet. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/123106/Capture_PNG-1429147.JPG I get everyone has different tastes. What does that set up get you that a PCC designed as a PCC doesn’t? Do you still have a piston/tilting barrel? I want to understand, but just don’t get it. Why? |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 2:28:24 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Atlmike, have you tried the In-Lead-We-Trust .25 threaded barrel yet? You know you have to build a complete set: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/219100/20180623_221330-1429170.jpg Note: Yes that is a Spectre 2 on that .25acp, no I didn't shoot it like that, was just to get an idea of supressor sizing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've been thoroughly enjoying a couple of non-boostered 9mm cans on a growing collection of .32 auto pistols. A nice old historical gat like a 1903 Colt with a threaded barrel from In-Lead -We-Trust, and a 6-7 ounce 9mm can is just a bit more of a handful than a .22 with a contemporary can, and makes a sound between a suppressed 9 and a suppressed 22. @Atlmike, have you tried the In-Lead-We-Trust .25 threaded barrel yet? You know you have to build a complete set: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/219100/20180623_221330-1429170.jpg Note: Yes that is a Spectre 2 on that .25acp, no I didn't shoot it like that, was just to get an idea of supressor sizing. Nice family you got there! Definitely have one of their .25 barrels on my to-get list. Gotta track down a decent 08' to go with it. It'd be kind of interesting to make a .25 cal can, just to see what it'd be like. SilentMike |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 2:36:20 PM EDT
[#22]
Put a tiny tiny amount of rocksett at 12 and 6 on the threads of muzzle, let it dry.
TINY. Thread on supressor, it should take a decent amount of torque now, but not too much if you didn't over do it. If it didn't take some torque to overcome the rocksett, try again with a bit more. This can at least solve the problem of the supressor backing off so easily. Keep in mind - even on your PCCs, your supressors are all threaded on. |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 3:05:07 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put a tiny tiny amount of rocksett at 12 and 6 on the threads of muzzle, let it dry. TINY. Thread on supressor, it should take a decent amount of torque now, but not too much if you didn't over do it. If it didn't take some torque to overcome the rocksett, try again with a bit more. This can at least solve the problem of the supressor backing off so easily. Keep in mind - even on your PCCs, your supressors are all threaded on. 3 lug master race. Even more so with the Rugged 3 lug where I can spin it in both directions meaning I can always install/removing while turning clockwise to keep the mount tight on the can. |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 3:32:36 PM EDT
[#24]
When endurance testing pistol cans at AAC/Remington, we used one of the products put out by Vibratite. We would apply it as a viscous liquid to the threads the day before testing. Thee next day you could wind the can onto the now-tacky threads, and the cans would stay put for the duration of testing.
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Posted: 5/23/2020 4:07:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get everyone has different tastes. What does that set up get you that a PCC designed as a PCC doesn’t? Do you still have a piston/tilting barrel? I want to understand, but just don’t get it. Why? This just makes your Glock 17/19 much more capable and fun. But it is quieter than an MP5 with Omega 9k...... And it takes glock mags...... |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 6:32:13 PM EDT
[#26]
My Osprey rarely backs off and if it does it's easy to visually tell so I don't have keep checking it. My round pistol cans I check every magazine.
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Posted: 5/23/2020 7:21:18 PM EDT
[#27]
Obsidian 9 / Stock Glock 19 gen 5 / KKM Suppressor barrel
Suppressor stays tight - if anything gets tighter with fire. |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 8:50:36 PM EDT
[#28]
Rockset or however it’s spelled works well
I had a trek-t that would always come loss so I got a bottle of that and it works great just don’t use more than a dropping |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 8:57:41 PM EDT
[#29]
Pistol shooting with suppressors sounds cooler than it is. As others have said the real deal is PCC
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Posted: 5/23/2020 11:20:28 PM EDT
[#30]
Give the threads some plumbers Teflon tape and you'll be in business.
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Posted: 5/23/2020 11:51:19 PM EDT
[#31]
My pistol cans are definitely the least used in my collection. They were fun and neat for the first couple mags, after that they lost their luster quickly.
Now on a PCC, they're awesome. On a handgun, IMO, not so much. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 12:25:22 AM EDT
[#32]
Yea my first can was a 9mm and while kinda fun, its fairly useless on a pistol. Now it’s dedicated to my 300blk Sugar Weasel and it excels in that role.
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Posted: 5/24/2020 12:28:31 AM EDT
[#33]
https://www.griffinarmament.com/st-3a-thread-sealant/
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Posted: 5/24/2020 2:54:59 AM EDT
[#34]
I don't like shooting them for different reasons:
-They're too easy to shoot due to the added weight -The can is basically the length of the handgun (or longer) -Can't holster without specific holsters Simply put, once I take the can off, my Glock feels super light and short. Feel like shooting suppressed handguns for a long while ends up being a training scar. All of my Pistol cans slowly migrated to living on the PCC's Suppressed pistols mainly only come out for letting friends and family shoot to put smiles on their faces. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 3:02:29 AM EDT
[#35]
Wouldn't the answer be a Beretta 92 (with threaded barrel). Lol.
I use my 9mm suppressor on a PCC and love it (AR9 and Scorpion). I will eventually get a G19 and threaded barrel to use it on that. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 8:33:08 AM EDT
[#36]
Bought my Kraken for a PCC. Have occasionally thought about getting a threaded barrel for my P320, but I think you guys have saved me that money.
I will say that I shoot a rimfire pistol with can and it's OK. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 9:24:57 AM EDT
[#37]
I guess they are fun to shoot occasionally and I keep one on my nightstand gun (92A1) while I'm home, but IMO the novelty wears off quick. I like pistol cans for PCCs and lever guns. 3-lug is the way to go! Kinda cool to shoot .38SPL super quiet and then have the option to take game with .357MAG out of the same rifle and can.
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Posted: 5/24/2020 11:35:41 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bought my Kraken for a PCC. Have occasionally thought about getting a threaded barrel for my P320, but I think you guys have saved me that money. I will say that I shoot a rimfire pistol with can and it's OK. Have you ever shot suppressed centerfire pistol? I believe the 320 is a good host from what I've heard and the Kraken is both very quiet and balances as well as a full size pistol suppressor can. I say give it a try and see if you like it. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 11:16:18 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever shot suppressed centerfire pistol? I believe the 320 is a good host from what I've heard and the Kraken is both very quiet and balances as well as a full size pistol suppressor can. I say give it a try and see if you like it. I have never shot a CF tilt barrel gun suppressed. My PCC is technically a pistol, but I know what you mean. A threaded barrel isn't super money. Maybe I will check it out. |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 10:24:19 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Give the threads some plumbers Teflon tape and you'll be in business. I'll say it again. I heard it here, didn't really buy it, but tried anyway. It just works. One single wrap of regular old teflon tape and that can isn't coming off until you unscrew it. I'll also say it again, as someone that enjoys their silenced pistols, they're really a novelty/toy. Maybe for some (me included) they're useful for deer hunting, but it's always going to be awkward to carry a silenced pistol. Ever notice the HSLD operators don't have cans on pistols? Because they're bulky, annoying, cumbersome, and even with loctite/teflon still a liability. Maybe some of those cool guys do have a can in their pack to shoot dogs or guards or whatever secret squirrel shit they do, but that's likely such a small minority of use of a pistol that it's negligible. If they're using silencers, it's on long guns. I've heard rumors that with today's advancements in electronic hearing protection, they're going BACK to loud mode in CQB, because they have ears on and the bad guys (we can assume) don't. Going for the "shock and awe" effect, as well as the added agility of not hanging a can off the gun. Suppose it also helps if they have braked rifles, which I'm sure the actual SF types have access to. |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 1:08:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll say it again. I heard it here, didn't really buy it, but tried anyway. It just works. One single wrap of regular old teflon tape and that can isn't coming off until you unscrew it. I'll also say it again, as someone that enjoys their silenced pistols, they're really a novelty/toy. Maybe for some (me included) they're useful for deer hunting, but it's always going to be awkward to carry a silenced pistol. Ever notice the HSLD operators don't have cans on pistols? Because they're bulky, annoying, cumbersome, and even with loctite/teflon still a liability. Maybe some of those cool guys do have a can in their pack to shoot dogs or guards or whatever secret squirrel shit they do, but that's likely such a small minority of use of a pistol that it's negligible. If they're using silencers, it's on long guns. I've heard rumors that with today's advancements in electronic hearing protection, they're going BACK to loud mode in CQB, because they have ears on and the bad guys (we can assume) don't. Going for the "shock and awe" effect, as well as the added agility of not hanging a can off the gun. Suppose it also helps if they have braked rifles, which I'm sure the actual SF types have access to. I am sure some are Oper8tors here lol, but really most of my cans are for defense type builds. Where I won't be able to don night vision, plate carriers, or necessarily hearing protection - not to mention I may need to actually hear those around me, etc. So, a k can on a 7" 300blk AR and on a pistol... hey.... now everyone will certainly fucking hear it, but the bark is tamed a bit so as to not absolutely disorient the one having to pull the trigger.... If I were an operator, I'd do all kinds of things differently, like have my stealth blackhawk at the ready for evac, call in air cover from an A10 and have drones take out those fleeing in vehicles. |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 1:11:48 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have never shot a CF tilt barrel gun suppressed. My PCC is technically a pistol, but I know what you mean. A threaded barrel isn't super money. Maybe I will check it out. I'd actually go the other way and say don't bother. Only because you said a suppressed 22lr was OK. Most people would say 22lr is the most fun you can have suppressed, and I'd agree, so if you were meh on that then don't expect anything from centerfire pistols. They are fun but I don't shoot them much at all anymore. Usually only with people who haven't had a chance to try them out or new shooters. I do shoot my Maxim quite a bit but it fixes all the suppressed pistol issues, other than the garbage trigger. I could just be interpreting your comment wrong also. |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 5:14:48 PM EDT
[#43]
Yeah, you misunderstood my OK. Suppressed .22 is great, bolt rifle and semi pistol. Suppressed 9mm AR is good, but I'm already looking towards delayed blowback. But I've only looked at threaded barrels in passing for my Sig 9mm.
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Posted: 5/25/2020 7:51:50 PM EDT
[#44]
Good to see I wasn't the only one in my thinking!
I'll just use this as an opportunity to buy another 9mm PCC
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Posted: 5/26/2020 12:56:53 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am sure some are Oper8tors here lol, but really most of my cans are for defense type builds. Where I won't be able to don night vision, plate carriers, or necessarily hearing protection - not to mention I may need to actually hear those around me, etc. So, a k can on a 7" 300blk AR and on a pistol... hey.... now everyone will certainly fucking hear it, but the bark is tamed a bit so as to not absolutely disorient the one having to pull the trigger.... If I were an operator, I'd do all kinds of things differently, like have my stealth blackhawk at the ready for evac, call in air cover from an A10 and have drones take out those fleeing in vehicles. Absolutely. A can on a house gun is generally a good idea. Suppose as long as it's not a 20" barrel. K can on a 7" BO sounds great for that use. Or any size can on a pistol. But what I'm saying is how do you carry that silenced pistol afield? I have a burn proof holster that I like well enough, but it's still damn cumbersome and annoying compared to a regular pistol. |
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Posted: 5/26/2020 10:21:39 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Atlmike, have you tried the In-Lead-We-Trust .25 threaded barrel yet? You know you have to build a complete set: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/219100/20180623_221330-1429170.jpg Note: Yes that is a Spectre 2 on that .25acp, no I didn't shoot it like that, was just to get an idea of supressor sizing. There is a definite need here for a new cartridge: The 5.7 FN SuperShort. (Just couldn't stand to wait until next April 1st). |
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Posted: 5/26/2020 10:26:27 PM EDT
[#47]
Pistols that need pistons are a kludge jerry rigged contraption. I don't even bother to do it since I have a Maxim 9. That's what you seek, in spite of the crap trigger it's the best suppressed pistol platform.
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Posted: 5/26/2020 10:30:03 PM EDT
[#48]
They need to release the non NFA version of the Maxim, with an improved trigger.
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Posted: 5/27/2020 9:22:05 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When endurance testing pistol cans at AAC/Remington, we used one of the products put out by Vibratite. We would apply it as a viscous liquid to the threads the day before testing. Thee next day you could wind the can onto the now-tacky threads, and the cans would stay put for the duration of testing. SilentMike https://www.griffinarmament.com/st-3a-thread-sealant This product is a vibratite brand product unavailable in small containers through vibratite (a min size bottle is like $80) that is applied to threads (not shoulders) dries in about an hour. It is reusable (remove +reattach) about 5 times. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 9:39:35 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.griffinarmament.com/st-3a-thread-sealant This product is a vibratite brand product unavailable in small containers through vibratite (a min size bottle is like $80) that is applied to threads (not shoulders) dries in about an hour. It is reusable (remove +reattach) about 5 times. How much should I use on a handgun barrel? Should I treat it like loctite and put one drop on one side of the threads, or should I paint it on so that most of the threads are covered? |
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