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Posted: 4/26/2004 5:15:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/10/2013 11:14:07 AM EDT by haLfLiFe]
HiramRanger has kindly agreed to tack this one up...


[Edited to add]

This is by no means a comprehensive guide, but here are some tips on how to get your pictures of firearms to turn out OK:
* Do NOT use the flash if at all possible. The light reflecting off of shiny parts and glossy finishes will create hot spots in the picture.
* For the same reason, avoid sunlight.
* Best shooting conditions are usually outdoors in the shade, or better yet on cloudy days.
* Put the gun against a neutral background. The background should not be patterned. A solid color that's not too dark or too bright is best to preserve contrast.
* Shoot at max resolution, crop later.
* Include some period pieces of possible to make the shot more interesting.
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 5:18:25 PM EDT
Since I started it, I got first dibs on posting:

I finally got my first Mauser after much agonizing. It's a AR 41 (Mauser Borsigwalde) from Allan's Armory. When I first got it, you could barely see the wood under all that gooped on shellac. It looked pretty bad, but probably in line with the way RC 98k's look in general.

Just like my Mosin, I immediately stripped the finish, sanded it, restained (this time with Minwax Mahagony gel stain), and once again topcoated with two coats of catalyzed lacquer. The stock is still pretty rough, but it looks a whole lot better.

The bluing is about 95% intact, but the nioce thing about the rifle is that it's got a shiny bore.

The markings could have been a little nicer, especially the dirty birds. The one with the swastika un-peened is very weakly struck. Oh well.

For you collector buffs, here are some interesting facts about this rifle (collected quotes from another board about this rifle):

Your rifle is very likely a legit Brunn 1944 rebuild of a 98k and as it is also a rc, it would go a long way to proving these somewhat rare variations exist as until now the only ones that have shown up were owned by Robert Jensen, & his friends (recently an experienced collector friend bought such a variation from another experienced collector & I linked him to this thread- hopefully he will comment on yours also... his is very similar to yours but is a byf 41).
The reason your rifle is so important is that as an rc it is almost certainly not a fabrication as who would bother on this obscure variation??

Jensen speculates these were done in 1944 by Brunn (because of the unique serialing used by Brunn during 1944) in the Jan 96 KCN & the article featured byf 43 ser. 9215 ap with a couple pics of the rifle- he discussed 2 or 3 other known examples.

Next one:

I don't think there can be any doubt that it is a late war rebuild by Bruenn. If you look at the left of the receiver ring you will see that it appears that the Bruenn firing proof (which is smaller) has been partially stamped over the larger, original firing proof. You can also see what is most likely an index mark stamped into the front left of the receiver which was certainly added at the time of rebuild (which included rebarreling with a dot barrel). From the latest picture which partially shows the right of the receiver ring, it appears that the original eagle/26 Waffenamts have been removed from that location before being stamped with the new eagle/63 inspection marking. Zhukov, is this correct? It also looks to me like the serial number letter block for this rifle is a two letter suffix starting with the letter a ("aq" ?). This would mean that the rifle was not only rebuilt by Bruenn, but that it was serial numbered as part of the dot 1944 production run. Anyway, you did very well with this purchase. This is an uncommon rifle and many Kar.98k collectors would be happy to have it in their collection. Of course, it is your rifle and as such you can do anything with it you wish, but I will caution you that trying to "restore/upgrade" it further will decrease the collectors value. As Graf touched on, this rifle's legitimacy is tied to the fact it is an RC. Removing the serial number from the left of the buttstock and/or swapping out or refinishing the electropenciled parts would damage this.

And finally:

Jensen wrote a KCN article on these in 1996 and indicated that there were three known examples using BYF, BCD and AR recievers. The serial # range was all in the AP-AS range. Yours being in the AQ makes perfect sense.

The serial number on your rifle itself is 100% Brunn. Brunn was the only manufacturer to use the double alpha AQ that your rifle shows. Other makers used BB,CC,DD etc. Further an original AR41 would have the serial number on the left side of the receiver, a place where DOT44's are not serial'd.

The rifles themselves were made from either defective recievers or rifles that had sustained battlefied damage. The receivers were scrubbed of most older markings and proofs although the reciever codes were left intact. They were then re-proofed with small czech firing proofs and given a Brunn serial number. The recievers were marked with the WaA63 on the right of the reciver and top center, identical to yours.

You can see on your rifle the remnants of an earlier Borsigwalde firing proof which is considerably larger than the later Brunn proof. You should also have a DOT barrel shield, Wa63 and barrel lot code (usually two letters)

I happen to have one of thes rifles as well. Mine is a BYF 41 re-work with almost identical markings in the AP block. All matching and non-import marked. Mine would make 4 and yours would make 5 so they are not common at all.

I had previously showed mine to several very experienced collectors and got mixed opinions as to whether the variation actually existed or whether it was assembled (faked). Yours being from the RC crop would actually helps authenticate that this variation exists. As Graf indicated its an uncommon variation that most collectors aren't aware of. Given that DOT rifles from 43 and 44 are some of the more common codes there has not been a lot of finacial incentive to replicate this variation.

Long story short: My rifle is only the 5th known in existence to be a wartime rebuild, and the first that's an RC.
Link Posted: 4/26/2004 5:19:39 PM EDT
And #2 is mine as well:

Completely unexpectedly, the FedEx lady arrived delivering my long-awaited Garand from CMP early yesterday morning before I went to work. I immediately loaded up my range gear and had a very productive "lunch".

I'm very pleased with the rifle. Overall condition is about what I expected. The stock has nicks and dings, but nothing too excessive and the parkerizing is in decent shape. The bore was very clean and has good rifling left. There were no malfunctions of any kind in the abbreviated range session of about 5-6 clips. I shot mostly Korean surplus, but also a gnarly mix of older surplus of all kinds of different headstamps.

I detail stripped the rifle and all the internal parts are in great shape from what I could tell. I think I managed to put the rifle back together incorrectly in all possible ways. It was a great learning experience though.

Serial number wise, it appears to be a May 1944 rifle. Here are the pictures:

Link Posted: 4/26/2004 5:22:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2004 8:03:13 PM EDT by Zhukov]
This one is a '42 Izhevsk from Aztec. The barrel is virtually brand new. A couple of swabs and I was done. Excellent rifling. All matching parts with the usual lined out/renumbered floor plate. No electropenciling - just the diminutive rolled on marking on the receiver with the "proper" serial number.

The stock was in pretty good shape - the shellac had been really gooped on thick on the front handguards, so I decided to refinish it. Old, thick shellac tends to get really dark and brittle. The upper handguard was the worst, so I started sanding, thinking that I would just take some of the finish off but not all. I cut through too much, so I sanded the whole upper handguard down and stripped the stock. The upper handguard was still too light, so I wiped on some gel stain - just a little bit to make the colors match better (a light coat of stain on the stock as well to make the hue match better.) I didn't make the stock look pristine by any stretch of the imagination - it just wouldn't look right. It still has a lot of color variations and patina.

After letting the stain dry overnight, I sprayed on two coats of a catalyzed lacquer and rubbed it out using 0000 steel wool.

I'm very excited about the gun - just what I was hoping for, and what a steal for $50!

Link Posted: 4/26/2004 6:03:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2004 1:25:50 PM EDT by C_Sly]
Ok.  I'll play too.....

Link Posted: 4/26/2004 10:38:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2005 1:25:35 PM EDT by Leisure_Shoot]

My M48A  with Iron Elite mount and Bushnell Trophy 3-9x40 scope.

My M38 from AIM Surplus

K98 27/1940 Russian Capture from AIM
Link Posted: 4/28/2004 10:23:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2004 11:29:02 PM EDT by GreenTalon]
My swiss collection, a 1936 and a 1956 K31, and a couple Bayo's

Letter I recieved from the Walnut stocked K31's previous owner/Soldier.  

Mr. Sidler was a Motorcycle operator in a Panzer tank Company.

Pretty neat that many of these have Soldier Info tags hiding behind the buttplate just waiting to be discovered.

Link Posted: 5/3/2004 2:10:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2004 2:17:22 PM EDT by gvidon212]
Aztec M44 1944


Aztec M38 1942

Empire Arms vz. 24

(not pictured- Aztec M91/31)
Link Posted: 5/4/2004 11:30:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/14/2005 8:12:33 PM EDT by lordweji]
Enfield No 1 Mk III*

Enfield No 4 Mk I

M-1 Garand

German K98 Mauser (Russian capture)

Yugo M48 Mauser

Spanish Mauser

Mosin 91/30

Mosin M44

Chinese SKS

Arisaka Type 99

edited to fix broken links
Link Posted: 5/20/2004 11:41:39 PM EDT

CZ52 from SOG. Shooting was at 7 yards and supported.

Russian M 38, with accessories, made in the Izhevsk factory. Purchased from Aztec. Manufacture date unknown due to the stamp being to light to read.

Currently, my favorite.
Link Posted: 6/15/2004 9:01:29 AM EDT
I just picked this one up. I think I have a new favorite.

Link Posted: 6/25/2004 5:26:42 AM EDT
The first two items I ever bought with my C&R:

M38, 1942, from AIM, excellent wood and a bright bore, all matching numbers, no re-lines!

Nagant M1895, 1945, from SOG, took a lot of cleaning, but looks and functions great now.

Gotta love perfectly functional firearms for less than $100!

Link Posted: 7/19/2004 4:21:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2004 6:42:55 PM EDT by sirbordsalot311]
friggin hunt101

Link Posted: 7/27/2004 7:14:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2005 9:28:58 AM EDT by Zhukov]
Me again. This time, it's a 1994 Izhevsk M44. Beautiful gun - couldn't be happier.

Link Posted: 7/27/2004 7:56:05 PM EDT
i like the ar lumpy....
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 9:43:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2004 11:34:57 PM EDT by kiwicollector]
Not really C&R (I think, don't have a equal in NZ) but the "restricted Firearms" from my collection:

My regular rifles:
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:54:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kiwicollector:
Not really C&R (I think, don't have a equal in NZ) but the "restricted Firearms" from my collection:

dude....you SUCK!!

umm...when can I come to NZ and play?

Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:47:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 12:51:36 AM EDT by CDNgunplumber]

we don't have C&R in canada..but here is one of my few converted autos(meaning its semi auto only now) Yugo M56 SMG

and also my PPsh41 and yugo M49/56 SMG's
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:56:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CDNgunplumber:

we don't have C&R in canada..but here is one of my few converted autos(meaning its semi auto only now) Yugo M56 SMG


and also my PPsh41 and yugo M49/56 SMG's

and the bar is raised yet again with some fine weapons...
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 4:28:04 PM EDT
kiwi you have some fine weapons in your collection
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:42:36 PM EDT

My '43 Fazakerly and my Enfield Scout on a Sante Fe conversion from the 1950's-60's.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 11:02:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kiwicollector:
Not really C&R (I think, don't have a equal in NZ) but the "restricted Firearms" from my collection:

My regular rifles:

First Lucy Lawless, now this AWESOME gun collection. New Zealand ROCKS
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:09:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 4:12:13 PM EDT by Dan44]
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:10:09 PM EDT
My well known bcd4 in 308. A real nice shooter.                                                                              
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 4:52:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kiwicollector:
Not really C&R (I think, don't have a equal in NZ) but the "restricted Firearms" from my collection:

My regular rifles:

I don't like you!!
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 12:18:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dan44:
My well known bcd4 in 308. A real nice shooter.                                                                              img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Dan44/betterpix.jpg

Educate me, what is the full name for this?  New to this side of the house.  Couldn't find anything on the web with just bcd4.  
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:48:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2004 9:23:19 PM EDT by michaelj1978]
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 3:24:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By grywlf52:

Originally Posted By Dan44:
My well known bcd4 in 308. A real nice shooter.                                                                              img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Dan44/betterpix.jpg

Educate me, what is the full name for this?  New to this side of the house.  Couldn't find anything on the web with just bcd4.  

bcd 4  manufactures WWII code and year made WWII German K98 rebarreled in 308 WIN.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 9:32:20 AM EDT
Thanks Dan44.  That is one sweet looking rifle
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 2:27:10 AM EDT

This is my first post on AR15.com...just thought I would post a pic of my M1A1 .30 Carbine to get started.  This is the best pic of it that I have uploaded ATM but will have others soon.  Oh and that is my S&W 4506 tagging along with it.
Link Posted: 11/10/2004 6:49:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2007 2:24:54 PM EDT by rottrob]
Here's some of mine.

Edit for updated pics
Link Posted: 11/15/2004 3:51:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2005 11:59:35 AM EDT by Atarian]
walther p-38

russian pm

nagant revolver

a gaggle of p-38's - walther 1944, walther 1945, mauser 1944, spreewerke 1943

manurhin walther pp

swiss k-31

finn m-39

polish m-44

yugo m59/66

1943 mauser manufactured p-38, matching

1942 walther manufactured p-38, matching
unfortunately, this one has been reblued
Link Posted: 11/17/2004 12:16:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/24/2004 4:24:02 PM EDT
Yugo SKS and my first buy...a Remington 550-1
The Mosins will be up as soon as they're done....just got em

Link Posted: 11/24/2004 6:16:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By spikentyke:
Yugo SKS and my first buy...a Remington 550-1
The Mosins will be up as soon as they're done....just got em


DAMN!!! The wood on your Yugo is sexy!!
Link Posted: 11/25/2004 11:36:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2004 7:50:04 AM EDT by spikentyke]
Man, you scared me...I thought I posted the wrong pic !  hock.gif
I had to go back and check.... the wife would of killed me! Thanks, sanded down to bare wood, steel wool and then floor wax (like Tre-Wax).  Smooth as a baby's bumm !
Link Posted: 11/30/2004 6:51:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/30/2004 6:54:58 PM EDT by spikentyke]
Mosin-Nagant M91/30....Cleaned up, original finish.


Mosin-Nagant M44, refinished in Red Mahogony, two coats, glossed


The Rack...so far..................

Link Posted: 12/1/2004 8:01:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/1/2004 8:38:29 PM EDT by bphurrough]
I'm new to the game and still waiting for my C&R but here's what I have so far.  I know the AR-15, the WASR-10, and the 410 aren't C&R but I like them anyway...


Webley Mark VI




Bushmaster M4A3
Romanian WASR-10
Yugo 59/66
Russian SKS (Tula)
MN 91/30 (Ishevsk)
MN 38 (Ishevsk)
MN 44 (Ishevsk)
Remington Model 510 Targetmaster
Savage Arms 410 GA
Ithaca Model 37 Featherlite 12 GA
Link Posted: 12/2/2004 7:37:10 PM EDT
Another PPK I just bought for $550
Link Posted: 12/3/2004 3:41:31 PM EDT
my meager group of C&R rifles

Link Posted: 12/6/2004 10:01:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/8/2004 11:59:57 PM EDT by MauserMark]
bad image, still trying to figure out  this new Digital camera

Link Posted: 12/6/2004 10:13:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2004 10:37:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MauserMark:
bad image, still trying to figure out  this new Digital camera


bad image, awesome guns.
(and it's not really that bad an image)
Link Posted: 12/6/2004 10:38:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Byte_Block:
Yeah i know, just one C&R rifle...

That's how it starts.
Link Posted: 12/7/2004 11:42:40 PM EDT
This is a very close to mint condition Lee Enfield No5.Mk1 [Jungle Carbine]

It is a Post War Manufacture, Made in 1947, The final year of manufacture.
Not only that, but once the recoil is tamed, it can really shoot well!


Link Posted: 12/8/2004 1:21:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/8/2004 1:23:39 AM EDT by MauserMark]

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:

Originally Posted By Byte_Block:
Yeah i know, just one C&R rifle...

That's how it starts.

you couldn't start it with a better one than a MN.  My M38 costs about a 1/3 of the price of both the mauser and SKS, and it's my favorite.  Shorth, light weight and one hell of a muzzle blast, plus C&R's always turns heads at any rifle range.  Modern guns to me are usually boring.  Yeah I have a bushmaster, but for the price I payed for that, I could of bought 10 mosin nagants, 5 mausers, 4 or 5 SKS', the list goes on.  I think it's more entertaining to know you've had a gun that might have been actually used in combat.
Link Posted: 12/9/2004 11:51:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/9/2004 3:27:01 PM EDT by LeadPumper]
My meager contribution to the sight:

A select grade K31 from Aim Surplus. Shoots better than rifles costing five times as much.

Link Posted: 12/11/2004 11:56:49 AM EDT
Yugo M48BO from Allan's Armory

My first of (I'm sure) many of these fine old rifles...
Link Posted: 12/12/2004 8:57:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/17/2004 5:11:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2006 3:26:06 PM EDT by rottrob]
Wow A lot of really nice pieces.
Link Posted: 12/18/2004 11:04:37 PM EDT
Finally got my camera back from the shop. I picked up a couple more rifles recently. The first one is a Brno VZ24 I got from my brother-in-law:

The second one is a Mosin-Nagant 1938 model with correct stock. Got this one from SOG during their Christmas sale for $50. Bolt/receiver/floorplate all match.

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