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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:38:56 PM EDT
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I have a Spectre II and it's a workhorse but my gut reaction is the Element II - maybe that's just a case of "you want what you don't have"
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:41:50 PM EDT
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I just found a Spectre II for $210 shipped recently, so I stopped there between my debate between these two. I've not shoot either yet. In for info.
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:47:27 PM EDT
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That's really a tough one. Both are great cans - ease of cleaning goes to the Spectre II, but the pusher tool that comes with the Element II makes getting the baffles out a fairly trivial event if you do it on a regular basis. Both sound good but the Element II does it in a shorter package. I have 4 Spectre IIs and one Element II in hand with another in jail. But I'd be hard pressed to tell you which one to go for.
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:48:46 PM EDT
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Element if mostly pistol, Spector for more rifle.
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:50:28 PM EDT
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I just found a Spectre II for $210 shipped recently, so I stopped there between my debate between these two. I've not shoot either yet. In for info. |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:51:41 PM EDT
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Element if mostly pistol, Spector for more rifle. |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:53:33 PM EDT
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If you have a SS tumbler, the spectre 2 is incredibly easy to clean.
AAC’s situation (parent company) worries me too much to touch. |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:54:36 PM EDT
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That's really a tough one. Both are great cans - ease of cleaning goes to the Spectre II, but the pusher tool that comes with the Element II makes getting the baffles out a fairly trivial event if you do it on a regular basis. Both sound good but the Element II does it in a shorter package. I have 4 Spectre IIs and one Element II in hand with another in jail. But I'd be hard pressed to tell you which one to go for. |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:56:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get that from a weight standpoint but any other reasoning behind that? |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:57:10 PM EDT
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If you have a SS tumbler, the spectre 2 is incredibly easy to clean. AAC’s situation (parent company) worries me too much to touch. That’s a very good point you mentioned which I completely forgot in the OP. The future of AAC and really any suppressor company in general you could say. It just is a bit concerning with what’s going on at AAC currently whether I want to take that risk. |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:57:57 PM EDT
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On second thought... it’s AR15.com. Why not both?
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Posted: 5/19/2018 11:00:42 PM EDT
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I have an ultrasonic cleaner at work so throwing the baffles in makes short work of it. That’s a very good point you mentioned which I completely forgot in the OP. The future of AAC and really any suppressor company in general you could say. It just is a bit concerning with what’s going on at AAC currently whether I want to take that risk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have a SS tumbler, the spectre 2 is incredibly easy to clean. AAC’s situation (parent company) worries me too much to touch. That’s a very good point you mentioned which I completely forgot in the OP. The future of AAC and really any suppressor company in general you could say. It just is a bit concerning with what’s going on at AAC currently whether I want to take that risk. Truthfully a .22 more than likely will never need warranty support unless you do something really dumb. Either one will serve you well. |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 11:08:10 PM EDT
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Ultra works good, but it’s nothing like SS. I have both, and I only use the ultra for the end caps now. It will fade the caps though. Truthfully a .22 more than likely will never need warranty support unless you do something really dumb. Either one will serve you well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have a SS tumbler, the spectre 2 is incredibly easy to clean. AAC’s situation (parent company) worries me too much to touch. That’s a very good point you mentioned which I completely forgot in the OP. The future of AAC and really any suppressor company in general you could say. It just is a bit concerning with what’s going on at AAC currently whether I want to take that risk. Truthfully a .22 more than likely will never need warranty support unless you do something really dumb. Either one will serve you well. I don’t plan on doing anything to the suppressor that should present an issue. If there ever was anything needing to be warrantied, it’s nice to know it’s there. Perhaps you are right though in regards to the caliber. I don’t imagine baffle strikes or some castraphic failure to happen so I suppose I shouldn’t weigh too heavily on warranties |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 11:08:32 PM EDT
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I just found a Spectre II for $210 shipped recently, so I stopped there between my debate between these two. I've not shoot either yet. In for info. |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 11:11:08 PM EDT
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On second thought... it’s AR15.com. Why not both? |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 11:11:26 PM EDT
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I'm a complete noob. I own only one can. But, I bought the Element II due to everything I read about first round pop, and how the Element II handled it better than most. I have no idea about the other one, so this may be of no help.
ETA: I second the recommendation of the SS wet tumbler for easy cleaning. |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 11:15:08 PM EDT
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Damn that doesn't help haha. But thanks for the input. I don't likely cleaning things but with the tool you mentioned should make it less concerning like you said. I would like to go at least 1000 rounds before cleanings. |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 11:22:13 PM EDT
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It was a deal through GunProDeals.com. I had never used them, but they actually had the can to my dealer within a week.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 2:07:01 AM EDT
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What hosts do you plan to use it on?
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Posted: 5/20/2018 2:10:14 AM EDT
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If you are a high volume shooter or foresee suppressing magnum rimfire or FN 5.7 get the Spectre. If you shoot mostly pistol, low volume vs blasting, or need to recess the can into a handguard or SBX barrel get the Element 2. I believe the Element mount is captive. The Gemtech mount should thread into either's 1/2-28 mount. I voted Spectre 2 because Silencerco customer support has been very good in the past and I haven't heard of it slipping yet. If money weren't an object the AAC Halcyon is a very good design and worth the extra cost but both your choices are very good suppressors and those are some of the lowest prices I've seen.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 9:39:18 AM EDT
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I have both and really like both, but if I could only keep one it would be the element 2 without second thought.
It's not as easy to take apart and clean but the weight savings, shorter length, no FRP, and the mount stays secure all outweigh the easier cleaning of the spectre. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 10:01:36 AM EDT
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I believe the Element mount is captive. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 11:06:17 AM EDT
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The captive rear endcap is touted as a feature of the E2, but I believe AAC just Red Loctite/Rocksetts the rear endcap in place. If that feature is important to the end user, there's no reason the same treatment couldn't be applied to the Spectre. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe the Element mount is captive. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 11:20:34 AM EDT
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I have both and really like both, but if I could only keep one it would be the element 2 without second thought. It's not as easy to take apart and clean but the weight savings, shorter length, no FRP, and the mount stays secure all outweigh the easier cleaning of the spectre. For maximum accuracy in precision rifles, the only other Rimfire can I wouldn't want to give up is the Thunderbeast 22 Takedown. But, with all the other newer choices out there, I recently ordered another... Element 2. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 12:25:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For cleaning the element, the tool makes removing the baffles easy I imagine even with 1000+ round count, correct? |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 12:53:45 PM EDT
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I will never get a rimfire can without encapsulated baffles again, too much of a pain, so Spectre II for me. Have a Dead Air Mask too.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 1:29:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For cleaning the element, the tool makes removing the baffles easy I imagine even with 1000+ round count, correct? But...for me, for my uses and time, I like spending more time shooting and less time cleaning. The performance of the Element 2 is outstanding; I have a Q El Camino pending that'll ultimately supplement/replace it though for high volume shooting. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 1:48:46 PM EDT
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Element if mostly pistol, Spector for more rifle. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 2:11:44 PM EDT
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Spectre
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Posted: 5/20/2018 2:22:07 PM EDT
[#30]
Tough call. The Spectre is a bit more rugged, but the Element is shorter and lighter. I have both pending, but I think the Element is the better choice, personally.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 3:40:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The captive rear endcap is touted as a feature of the E2, but I believe AAC just Red Loctite/Rocksetts the rear endcap in place. If that feature is important to the end user, there's no reason the same treatment couldn't be applied to the Spectre. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 4:12:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would be correct. Looks to be almost a 50/50 horse race. So much for making a definitive choice for OP. 
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Posted: 5/20/2018 8:01:38 PM EDT
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Thanks for confirming! Looks to be almost a 50/50 horse race. So much for making a definitive choice for OP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You would be correct. Looks to be almost a 50/50 horse race. So much for making a definitive choice for OP. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 8:07:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Haha yes. Whatever the vote is at a week from yesterday I’ll get. 
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Posted: 5/20/2018 8:08:57 PM EDT
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The correct answer is to get both, of course! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Haha yes. Whatever the vote is at a week from yesterday I'll get.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 8:10:55 PM EDT
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Ultra works good, but it’s nothing like SS. I have both, and I only use the ultra for the end caps now. It will fade the caps though. Truthfully a .22 more than likely will never need warranty support unless you do something really dumb. Either one will serve you well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have a SS tumbler, the spectre 2 is incredibly easy to clean. AAC’s situation (parent company) worries me too much to touch. That’s a very good point you mentioned which I completely forgot in the OP. The future of AAC and really any suppressor company in general you could say. It just is a bit concerning with what’s going on at AAC currently whether I want to take that risk. Truthfully a .22 more than likely will never need warranty support unless you do something really dumb. Either one will serve you well. 
Love my Spectre IIk...SiCo took really good care of me. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 8:18:43 PM EDT
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Ask me how I know...
Love my Spectre IIk...SiCo took really good care of me. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 8:18:58 PM EDT
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The correct answer is to get both, of course! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Haha yes. Whatever the vote is at a week from yesterday I’ll get. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 8:37:08 PM EDT
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Ask me how I know...
Love my Spectre IIk...SiCo took really good care of me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have a SS tumbler, the spectre 2 is incredibly easy to clean. AAC's situation (parent company) worries me too much to touch. That's a very good point you mentioned which I completely forgot in the OP. The future of AAC and really any suppressor company in general you could say. It just is a bit concerning with what's going on at AAC currently whether I want to take that risk. Truthfully a .22 more than likely will never need warranty support unless you do something really dumb. Either one will serve you well.
Love my Spectre IIk...SiCo took really good care of me.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 8:45:28 PM EDT
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OP, sounds like you can just flip a coin at this rate. Tails for the Element. Heads for the Specter. Call it a day. I think either will do you nicely. Good luck in your decision.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 9:09:29 PM EDT
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OP, sounds like you can just flip a coin at this rate. Tails for the Element. Heads for the Specter. Call it a day. I think either will do you nicely. Good luck in your decision. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 9:28:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. That’s basically what it comes down to. That’s why I just will let the ARFCOM poll decide at the end of the week.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 9:36:59 PM EDT
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I have an Oculus and an Element 2. The Oculus is nice, but I like the Element 2 better. It's smaller, lighter and sounds just as good to me. The harder to clean thing is overblown imo.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 11:35:49 PM EDT
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I have a Spectre 2, Sparrow, and Oculus. If I could only choose one, it would be the Oculus. Well built, durable, modular, sounds good, and it looks sexy.
Out of your choices, Spectre 2. It is a beast of a can. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 4:50:37 AM EDT
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Come on, let's hear the story! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ask me how I know...
Love my Spectre IIk...SiCo took really good care of me. . They mean it when they say they warranty stupid once.
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Posted: 5/21/2018 7:50:45 AM EDT
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After much consideration, I think that if I had to get one now, it'd be an Element 2.
Shorter and lighter are becoming major attributes to me. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 2:29:20 PM EDT
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After much consideration, I think that if I had to get one now, it'd be an Element 2. Shorter and lighter are becoming major attributes to me.
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Posted: 5/21/2018 6:02:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll have to see if i still have the pics. @goloud did a story on my issue. Long story short...my friend shot my can and SiCo had to cut the tube down about an inch. It resulted in having to lose a baffle and know technically it’s a Kerz version . They mean it when they say they warranty stupid once.
Now that's a story! |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 8:19:31 PM EDT
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"Shot your can" as in actually put a bullet through the side of your suppressor with another firearm?!?
Now that's a story! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I’ll have to see if i still have the pics. @goloud did a story on my issue. Long story short...my friend shot my can and SiCo had to cut the tube down about an inch. It resulted in having to lose a baffle and know technically it’s a Kerz version . They mean it when they say they warranty stupid once.
Now that's a story! |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 8:34:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll have to see if i still have the pics. @goloud did a story on my issue. Long story short...my friend shot my can and SiCo had to cut the tube down about an inch. It resulted in having to lose a baffle and know technically it’s a Kerz version . They mean it when they say they warranty stupid once. |
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