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Link Posted: 9/8/2022 8:35:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bmwmc:

With e-file available, why did you do a paper Form 4?
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This was a can that was purchased from an individual out of state.

Had to go on a Form 4 to a dealer in his state first.

In that case the only option is a Paper Form 4.
Link Posted: 9/8/2022 8:07:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcordell:


This was a can that was purchased from an individual out of state.

Had to go on a Form 4 to a dealer in his state first.

In that case the only option is a Paper Form 4.
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Originally Posted By mcordell:
Originally Posted By bmwmc:

With e-file available, why did you do a paper Form 4?


This was a can that was purchased from an individual out of state.

Had to go on a Form 4 to a dealer in his state first.

In that case the only option is a Paper Form 4.

Genuinely curious about a two month approval. Individual in another state transferred to a dealer in your state? That's what took 2 months? Once a dealer in your state had the can, he could have e-filed to you. I don't see how it would matter used vs new can.
Link Posted: 9/8/2022 8:19:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BigWaylon] [#3]
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Link Posted: 9/9/2022 3:56:20 AM EDT
[#4]
Individual Silencer through SS

Submitted 08/13/21
Pending 08/23/21
Approved 08/27/22
To Dealer 09/2/22
Link Posted: 9/9/2022 12:52:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mcordell] [#5]
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Originally Posted By bmwmc:

Genuinely curious about a two month approval. Individual in another state transferred to a dealer in your state? That's what took 2 months? Once a dealer in your state had the can, he could have e-filed to you. I don't see how it would matter used vs new can.
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Nope, individual directly to a dealer in their same state and then Form 3 to a dealer in my state.

Suppressor was purchased from an individual out of state. The process for this is generally as follows:

The individual files a Form 4 (the person who currently has possession of the suppressor/person selling the can) to get it transferred to a FFL/SOT in their state so it can then be placed on a Form 3 (FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT) to the receiving dealer that is out of state.

In this case the first Form 4 from the individual (party selling the can) to the FFL/SOT (in their state) has to be done via a paper Form 4.

Once it arrives on a Form 3 to the out of state FFL/SOT it can then go on a Form 4 (to the end purchaser / individual) that can be e-filed.

Alternatively - some dealers that are out of state may be cool with receiving a class 3 item from an individual. In my case they were not, so had to go through a local FFL to get it on a Form 3 first.

The additional Form 3 doesn't add much wait at all. Just a little bit more of a pain in the ass.

End result was still a paper form 4 that got approved in under 3 months.

Sorry if that was long winded. Probably could have articulated that better.

Link Posted: 9/10/2022 2:47:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: steve8140] [#6]
Paper form 4 - suppressor
Trust with two responsible people
Dead Air Sandman-S

Purchased 5/30/21
Went pending 6/18/21
Approved 9/2/22
Pickup from dealer 9/10/22
Examiner was Danela Gilbert

468 days since purchase date.
442 days from pending to approved.
Just shy of 15 months.

This is my first suppressor.
Link Posted: 9/11/2022 3:07:17 AM EDT
[#7]
Paper form 4 trust suppressor

ATF check cashed 7/22/2021
Stamp date approved 8/26/2022
Link Posted: 9/11/2022 10:16:51 AM EDT
[#8]
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Originally Posted By mcordell:


Nope, individual directly to a dealer in their same state and then Form 3 to a dealer in my state.

Suppressor was purchased from an individual out of state. The process for this is generally as follows:

The individual files a Form 4 (the person who currently has possession of the suppressor/person selling the can) to get it transferred to a FFL/SOT in their state so it can then be placed on a Form 3 (FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT) to the receiving dealer that is out of state.

In this case the first Form 4 from the individual (party selling the can) to the FFL/SOT (in their state) has to be done via a paper Form 4.

Once it arrives on a Form 3 to the out of state FFL/SOT it can then go on a Form 4 (to the end purchaser / individual) that can be e-filed.

Alternatively - some dealers that are out of state may be cool with receiving a class 3 item from an individual. In my case they were not, so had to go through a local FFL to get it on a Form 3 first.

The additional Form 3 doesn't add much wait at all. Just a little bit more of a pain in the ass.

End result was still a paper form 4 that got approved in under 3 months.

Sorry if that was long winded. Probably could have articulated that better.

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How long was the initial form 4 to dealer?

I’m a FFL/SOT and I bought a Sten out of state from a private individual and was just curious.
Link Posted: 9/14/2022 6:19:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jeremywills] [#9]
Sandman S MIL in FDE.

Trust on paper form 4
Submitted May 5 2021
Approved Aug 30 2022
Emailed from dealer and in hand Sep 13 2022

Tottal of 481 days from submitted to in hand. Longest wait for me yet.

Link Posted: 9/14/2022 9:32:26 AM EDT
[#10]
Form 4 individual

Purchased 7/30/21
Check cashed 9/18/21
Approved 9/06/22
In hand 9/13/22

Keith D. Hammond
Link Posted: 9/15/2022 1:39:02 PM EDT
[#11]
Form 4 Individual
Rex Silentium MG7
Purchased: 6/3/2021
Check Cashed:  6/30/2021
Approved:  8/18/2022
Received at Dealer: 9/13/2022

440 days between the check cashing and receiving the stamp at my dealer.
Link Posted: 9/20/2022 2:01:26 PM EDT
[#12]
Form 4 Individual
YHM Resonator K
Purchased: July/2021
Check Cashed:  8/3/2021
Approved:  ?????
Received at Dealer: 9/20/2022

Just got the call 5 minutes ago.


Link Posted: 9/20/2022 10:18:37 PM EDT
[#13]
Form 4 trust
Purchased 8/1/2021
Can in hand 9/20/22
Link Posted: 9/21/2022 2:39:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Silencer- Individual

Purchased: 10/02/2021
Check cashed: 10/12/2021
Approved: 09/13/2022

Wolverine PBS-1

It’s a nice piece. I have a bunch of adapters. Can’t wait to break it in.
Link Posted: 9/21/2022 7:17:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: whiteryno] [#15]
Form 4 trust
1 RP
YHM turbo K
Check Cashed:  9/9/2021
Approved form Received at Dealer: 9/21/2022

Link Posted: 9/22/2022 2:30:06 AM EDT
[#16]
F4 - Trust

Purchased 3 cans 2017 (under FFL) - and kept under FFL until Sep. 2022* -

Submitted F4 Aug 2021 -all 3 -
Approved F4 Sep 2022 -all 3 -

Took 2 weeks for the F4's to arrive in the mail.

From F4s put in mailbox, to approved F4s received - 13 months -

*Posted this, since I figured they lost the F3...couldn't find records, etc. No issues on that side, it all went well.
Link Posted: 9/23/2022 3:16:54 PM EDT
[#17]
Form4     2 person Trust
Deadair Mask HD
Deadair giveaway: 7/04/21
Check Cashed: 8/06/21
Approved:  8/31/22
Received at Dealer: 9/23/2022

414 days between the check cashing and receiving the stamp at my dealer.
Link Posted: 9/23/2022 9:54:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Second stamp back in 3 days

Form 4 Individual
Silencerco Sparrow
Purchased: October 3, 2021
Check Cashed:  October 12, 2021
Approved:  ?????
Received at Dealer: 9/23/2022

Link Posted: 9/26/2022 11:00:56 AM EDT
[#19]
Form 4 Paper - Individual

Mailed - 10/2/21
Checked Cashed - 10/7/21
Approved - 9/13/22
In hand - 9/25/22

354 days between check cashing and stamp being received
Link Posted: 9/26/2022 5:46:23 PM EDT
[#20]
Paper form 4 - suppressor
Trust with two responsible people
Rugged Obsidian 9

Purchased 8/22/21
Went pending 9/17/21
Approved 9/14/22
Pickup from dealer 9/26/22
Examiner was Sara B. Free????

400 days since purchase date.
362 days from pending to approved.
Link Posted: 9/26/2022 7:26:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: swampvol] [#21]
Form 4/Individual

Ruger Silent-SR Rimfire can.

Check cashed 9/22/2021

Approve 9/14/2022
At Dealer 9/26/2022

Too lazy to do the math, but I know it's too damn long.

ETA: (26-22)+365 = 369 days from cashed to delivered lol
Link Posted: 9/27/2022 7:03:06 AM EDT
[#22]
Form 4 Individual

Purchased 08/22/21
Pending 09/14/21
Approved 09/16/22
Picked up 09/26/22
Link Posted: 9/28/2022 2:12:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: michealj] [#23]
Q Half Nelson.
Purchased: 13 Sept. 2021
Transfer to dealer: 13 Oct 2021

Form 4: Individual

Mailed: 17 Oct 2021
Approved: 20 Sept 2022
Arrived at dealer: 26 Sept 2022
Link Posted: 9/30/2022 3:39:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zip196] [#24]
YHM Turbo T2

Silencer Shop single shot
Purchased 7/30/21
Check cashed 8/24/21
Stamp at dealer 9/27/22
Picked up 9/29/22

FATF
Link Posted: 10/5/2022 12:27:45 AM EDT
[#25]
Paper form 4

Filed 7/17/21
Pending 10/18/21
Picked up today 9/4/22

No clue when it was approved, but I got the email and picked up today
Link Posted: 10/7/2022 6:58:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: high-drag_low-speed] [#26]
YHM R9

Trust Silencer Shop

Purchased: 6/21/21
from Hanshon Bros

At my dealer: 7/23/21?

Filed: 8/6/21

Checked cashed: 8/17/21

Approved: 9/3/22

Stamp at dealer: ?

Dealer called and picked up on: 10/7/22


Link Posted: 10/8/2022 12:19:17 PM EDT
[#27]
Purchased November 1, 2021
Check cashed November 12, 2021
Approved October 3, 2022
Link Posted: 10/10/2022 6:39:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shortround] [#28]
Paper Form 4 Trust Suppressor - purchased through Silencershop. 1 RP.

ATF cashed check 09/17/2021

Stamp approved 9/29/2022

Stamp arrived at dealer 10/10/2022

388 days.
Link Posted: 10/11/2022 5:26:48 PM EDT
[#29]
Two F4 silencers, both with the same dates:

Mailed: 10/25/2021
Cashed:  11/4/2021
Approved:  9/27/2022
At Dealer:  10/7/2022
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 12:46:48 AM EDT
[#30]
Form 4 Individual

Rad 22 Suppressor

Filed 3/4/22
Approved 10/12/22


My first suppressor.
Mailed paperwork for 2 SBR the same day in March and both were approved in less than 2 months. Makes no sense that this should take 7 months assuming background checks are the same.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 10:11:34 AM EDT
[#31]
SiCo Omega 300 purchased through Capital Armory on a 1 RP trust.

Purchased 7/2/21
Docusign 7/2/21
Check mailed 7/7/21
Received 9/21/21
Check cashed ???
Approved ???
Stamp at CA 10/12/22
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 11:14:16 PM EDT
[#32]
Wolfman 9mm

1 RP Trust
Submitted 10/9/21
Approved 09/29/22
In hand 10/13/22

369 days total



Link Posted: 10/18/2022 9:08:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gloworm19] [#33]
YHM Turbo K, Form 4, individual

Submitted: 11/04/21
Checked cashed about 2 wks later
Approved: 10/12/22
Stamp arrived, item picked up at my FFL: 10/18/22

349 days in jail, but she's free now.

Link Posted: 10/22/2022 11:36:33 AM EDT
[#34]
Paper form 4 through SS kiosk
Trust with one responsible person
YHM Turbo K

Purchased 5/14/21
Form 4 mailed 5/17/21
Check cashed 5/24/21
Approved 6/7/22

Finally got around to checking on it on 9/13/22 and was told it had been approved on 6/7/22. Original tax stamp supposedly lost in mail. Took two weeks after second attempt to get a copy of the approved form for it to arrive. Finally picked up on 10/11/22.

389 days purchased to approved
Link Posted: 10/22/2022 3:04:09 PM EDT
[#35]
Form 4 individual
YHM Turbo T2

Purchased: 1Oct2021
Check cashed: 4Nov2021
Approved: 27Sep2022
Picked up: 20Oct2022
Link Posted: 10/24/2022 9:57:27 PM EDT
[#36]
Form 4 Single Shot Trust

Submitted: 11/11/2021
Check Cashed: 11/21/2021
Approved: 10/17/2022
At Dealer: 10/24/2022

337 days between check cashed and stamp at the dealer.
Link Posted: 10/25/2022 8:44:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chargerdude70] [#37]
Form 4 Trust 1 RP

Sons first NFA item

Purchased: 09/06/2021
CK cashed: 10/01/2021
Approved: 10/07/2022
At Dealer: 10/21/2022

371 days Ck cashed to approval
410 days purchase to to dealer

Link Posted: 10/26/2022 10:12:07 PM EDT
[#38]
2 Supressors….paper form 4
2 person trust
Check cashed 9/17/21
Approved/signed 9/22/22
Form at dealer 10/22/22

The numbers one this thread are ridiculous, but these were my last paper form 4s

Link Posted: 10/28/2022 1:35:01 PM EDT
[#39]
Sig MCX SBR
Trust, 1 RP

Purchased 8/26/21
Check Cashed 9/11/21
Stamp approved 8/11/22
Called by dealer 8/26/22

1 full year.
Link Posted: 11/1/2022 7:59:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: carholio] [#40]
YHM Turbo T2 - Silencer Shop paper form 4 - trust

Purchased  - 11/4/21

My local SS dealer submitted form to ATF - 11/18/21

Approved - 10/21/22

Picked up - 11/1/22

3 days shy of a full year from date of purchase.

.
Link Posted: 11/4/2022 7:04:54 PM EDT
[#41]
Individual - Sico Hybrid 46

Purchased 9-21-21
Cashed 10-19-21
Approved 10-20-22
Mailed stamp to dealer 10-25-22
Picked up 11-4-22

410 days

Examiner - N. Hartsoc

Link Posted: 11/7/2022 9:50:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sks447] [#42]
YHM Stinger .22 can.

Paper form 4 at dealer.

Purchased 9/28/2021
Check cashed ?
Approved 10/3/2022
Received 11/5/2022

404 days.

Fun fact -
Anyone could have made and had a baby in a shorter period of time.
Link Posted: 11/10/2022 8:06:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bnielsonak47] [#43]
Trust-2 person for an OSS(at the time) 7.62

ATF cashed check Dec 16th 2021

Approved Oct 28th 2022

Picked up 11/10/2022

I can’t math right now
Link Posted: 11/10/2022 10:31:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11B3XCIB] [#44]
Individual Paper Form 4

Purchased through SS: 11/08/21

Pending with ATF: 11/29/21

Approved:  11/02/22

ETA:

Picked up: 11/14/22
Link Posted: 11/12/2022 2:37:20 PM EDT
[#45]
SF 762Mini SS Single Shot Trust

Check cashed 12/1/21

Approved 10/29/22 333 days from check cashing

Pickup up 11/8/22
Link Posted: 11/13/2022 1:35:59 AM EDT
[#46]
Colt m16a2

Form 4 paper, trust, 1 RP
Ohio

Pending 1/24/22
Approved 11/4/22
Received 11/12/22

286 days by my math.

Finally...I am usually on the other side of the bell curve!


Link Posted: 11/14/2022 11:12:11 AM EDT
[#47]
Dead Air - Nomad 30
Trust - 2 RP

Purchased: 11/08/2021

Check Cashed: 11/18/2021

Approved: 10/17/2022

Dealer called: 11/11/2022

Picked Up: 11/12/2022

Examiner: Kristin McFalls
Link Posted: 11/22/2022 7:44:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Real_PhillBert] [#48]
Rugged Razor 7.62 - Individual

Purchased - 11/8/2021
Submitted - 12/2/2021
Check Cashed - 12/18/2021
Approved - 11/7/2022
Arrived at dealer - 11/21/2022
In hand - 11/22/2022

Examiner - Trish Bartles

355 days from submission to in hand.
Link Posted: 11/29/2022 4:08:39 PM EDT
[#49]
Form 4 Suppressor Individual.

In state to in state.

Submitted 02.01.2022

Pending 02.07.2022

Approved 11.14.2022

Link Posted: 12/2/2022 9:27:14 PM EDT
[#50]
YHM Turbo K

Form mailed  10/1/2021
Check cashed 10/8/2021
Called ATF 10/27/2022 (approval was 9/19/2022)
Dealer requested certified copy 10/27/2022
Called ATF 11/15/2022 no record of dealers request
Dealer requested certified copy second time 11/15/2022
Original stamp at dealer 12/2/2022 (post marked 11/22/2022)

346 days check cashed to approval
74 days approval to  stamp at dealer

Fired a few shots into the night because I believe in trying new toys immediately.  Think I'm going to like it.
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