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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:11:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Medcop]
So, mossberg has pistol grip only guns that shoot shotgun shells. Putting a pistol brace on them is common. With the new stance by the alphabet gang wouldn’t this “pistol shotgun” with a short barrel now be “illegal”? Would they allow the amnesty registration? I can’t find info on this (probably didn’t look hard enough)
(Ok, it’s in the faq of 2021-08, at the bottom. Says no SBS can be registered) |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2023 4:44:54 AM EDT
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I was wondering about this as well.
Poop. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 3:59:17 PM EDT
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I’ve asked multiple times in different places. I’ve got a tax-14 with a pistol brace.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:51:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chumpmiester]
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Here is the section that talks about these smoothbore firearms in the Factoring Criteria document (page 47).
 Attached FileAs stated a 'firearm" is designed to be shot using two hands and has never had a stock attached. And since they are designed to be shot using two hands, they do not meet the legal definition of a pistol. So yes a braced Shockwave, TAC14, or similar smoothbore firearm is illegal once the new rule goes into effect. |
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Posted: 1/31/2023 4:38:19 PM EDT
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So does that mean it needs to be registered in the same process as the other firearms?
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Posted: 1/31/2023 5:14:28 PM EDT
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The new interpretation is for pistol to SBR
SBS is not part of the process outlined |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:18:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc_Zox: The new interpretation is for pistol to SBR SBS is not part of the process outlined Yes the tac-14 or shockwave with a brace is considered a short barreled shotgun now. According to the online FFL training yesterday they said they hadn’t reach a ruling yet on those specifically and suggest moving it back to a birdshead grip configuration. Which mean if you bought it with a brace, and they were sold this way from Remington and mossberg that you would have to buy a birds head grip somewhere and take the brace off. Unless they decide to rule that they will slow them to be registered just like the pistols. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 5:10:18 PM EDT
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And for those that need a birds head grip, you can get them directly from Shockwave Technologies fro $25 each.
https://shockwavetechnologies.com/product/raptor-grip-for-mossberg-500/ For the people who own Shockwaves or Tack13/14 that came with a brace, you might or might not have to get a new bolt. I don't know if the bolts for the braces are different or not. But you can get them from Shockwave Tech. for $4 if needed. https://shockwavetechnologies.com/product/replacement-hardware-for-raptor-grip-m500/ |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:26:58 PM EDT
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What about the Black Aces Tactical Pro Series S Mini 12GA PG Firearm with a 10" barrel and brace? You can't replace the brace with a raptor grip and reach the 26" minimum OAL.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2023 1:37:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Raptor: What about the Black Aces Tactical Pro Series S Mini 12GA PG Firearm with a 10" barrel and brace? You can't replace the brace with a raptor grip and reach the 26" minimum OAL. https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/7af8331bf1196ca28793bd1e8f6ecc7b/b/l/black-aces-tactical-pro-series-s-mini-10-12-gauge-shotgun_-walnut.jpg If I had to guess - the ATF will consider that a SBS. Take the brace off and it can't be an AOW due to having the brace from the factory. Braces retroactively are considered stocks so it had a stock from day 1 but the barrel is short so it's a SBS. Just my shot in the dark based on what the ATF says. |
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