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Originally Posted By triode: 5 more F1 Trust SBRs back today. Submitted 1/11 with EFT. These ones do not include marking as a condition. Submitted another lower, and need to put some more in. Common use, you know. I thought marking was always required except when they offered “amnesty” for braced pistols a couple years ago. |
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Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: I thought marking was always required except when they offered "amnesty" for braced pistols a couple years ago. What he meant I believe is his returned forms did not include the conditional instructions reminding him to do the marking, as some have been getting on their forms. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: It is. What he meant I believe is his returned forms did not include the conditional instructions reminding him to do the marking, as some have been getting on their forms. Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: I thought marking was always required except when they offered "amnesty" for braced pistols a couple years ago. What he meant I believe is his returned forms did not include the conditional instructions reminding him to do the marking, as some have been getting on their forms. Exactly. Form 1's from the other day had the reminder, these did not. It might be just a different examiner. My next batch of Form 1's are for cans. I think I did them as required (drawing, picture of materials I plan to buy, etc.) - we will see. |
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Using AI to estimate approval times. Here's the full picture organized: | Submission # | Submitted | Approved | Days to Approve | |---|---|---|---| | 20263378## | 1/1/2026 | 1/11/2026 | 10 days | | 20263636## | 1/1/2026 | 1/11/2026 | 10 days | | 20266763## | 1/4/2026 | 1/27/2026 | 23 days | | 20267339## | 1/5/2026 | 2/11/2026 | 37 days | | 202613189## | 1/11/2026 | 2/21/2026 | 41 days | There's a pretty clear trend here — the later in January something was submitted, the longer it's taking to get approved. The jump from the 1/1 submissions (10 days) to the more recent ones is significant, suggesting approvals may be backing up or the approving body has a growing queue. The slope works out to roughly 3 additional days of wait time for every 1 day later a submission is made in January. It's not perfectly linear — there's a notable jump between the 1/4 and 1/5 submissions — but as a rule of thumb, ~3 days per day is a reasonable estimate given what you have. Another interesting statistic, 60% of my approvals have happened on the weekend. I would be interesting to have more data points to add in to get a more accurate picture. Note that these are for a 2RP Trust and Form 1's. |
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Got approval of 1 form 4 this morning from Feb 2nd. 2 More form 4's from that date as well as 2 form 1's to go, plus 5 form 4's from the 19th and 1 form 4 from the 24th. The one from the morning was a transfer of my wife's individually owned suppressor to our trust. The rest of the form 4's are from me as an individual to the trust. |
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Originally Posted By BM1455: Getting ready to submit 2 form 1's for SBRs. Are you guys all adding pics of factory roll marks or not? Just asking if this is a new required now or not. Generally no. This might change if your firearm is not already in the drop-down list… others can comment. My experience is, the less optional info sent, the better. |
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Originally Posted By BM1455: Getting ready to submit 2 form 1's for SBRs. Are you guys all adding pics of factory roll marks or not? Just asking if this is a new required now or not. I did pic's of my 3 lower receivers on mine. Made sure to just get all left side roll marks that's it. no buffer tube etc.. All my lowers were in the drop down list too.. I did my Form 1's thru Silencer Shop and they recommend the pic's.. |
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Originally Posted By StealthyBlagga: Generally no. This might change if your firearm is not already in the drop-down list others can comment. My experience is, the less optional info sent, the better. If you don't send those pics and the examiner feels they want them for some reason once they get to your form, they'll usually email you asking for pics then. But most of the time it's not needed. |
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Originally Posted By azmp5: Probably alittle off topic. But since I have a trust (wife and I), and it seems individual is much quicker, would it be worth it to do a form 1 individual and then just resubmit for transferring to the trust. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: I don't think individual vs. trust Form 1 is that much quicker right now to bother with the whole two-step stuff. Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By azmp5: Probably alittle off topic. But since I have a trust (wife and I), and it seems individual is much quicker, would it be worth it to do a form 1 individual and then just resubmit for transferring to the trust. |
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Originally Posted By BM1455: Getting ready to submit 2 form 1's for SBRs. Are you guys all adding pics of factory roll marks or not? Just asking if this is a new required now or not. I have been including 1 picture of the lower that shows the maker, model and serial number with all of mine. Haven't tried it without one. |
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Originally Posted By BM1455: Thanks all for the info on the pictures of the roll marks. Last question is for individual filers and signatures. Do I now need a wet signature and how are you doing that. Thanx. The computer generated font signature is fine for individual submissions. |
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Well I filled out 1 form one for an individual SBR-mostly. It's been a while since I have done one and I was not sure what the middle name vs middle name detail was all about. Anyone? Do I need to file both out? Also, I blew through the section asking for a photo of the company engraving/ caliber /serial number and didn't add it. Then I changed my mind but I couldn't get back into the three step window for that process so I just went to the electronic files section and added it there with a description of what it was. Hope that won't mess things up. Also my Wilson Combat lower does not have a model name so I just selected AR15. Any things I need to fix? |
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Originally Posted By BM1455: Well I filled out 1 form one for an individual SBR-mostly. It's been a while since I have done one and I was not sure what the middle name vs middle name detail was all about. Anyone? Do I need to file both out? Also, I blew through the section asking for a photo of the company engraving/ caliber /serial number and didn't add it. Then I changed my mind but I couldn't get back into the three step window for that process so I just went to the electronic files section and added it there with a description of what it was. Hope that won't mess things up. Also my Wilson Combat lower does not have a model name so I just selected AR15. Any things I need to fix? If it truly has no model engraved on it, technically the correct thing to do is select N/A for model. ETA: I see they do make some with no model engraving, wild. In that case do N/A, here's an old thread where someone had one approved doing that. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/FORM-1-No-model-number-on-lower-/51-445143/ |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: It must have a model designation, is it the "WC-15"? If it truly has no model engraved on it, technically the correct thing to do is select N/A for model. ETA: I see they do make some with no model engraving, wild. In that case do N/A, here's an old thread where someone had one approved doing that. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/FORM-1-No-model-number-on-lower-/51-445143/ I might have to do that because it says nothing at all for model on the receiver. I did go to their web sight and the one that looked like what I have just says AR-15, forged lower. In the drop down menu on eforms AR-15 and AR15 is an option though. Edit: I went back into that section and added pictures of both sides and changed model to N/A, which was an option on the menu. I also added caliber to 6.8. |
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Originally Posted By spyderboy03: Got approval of 1 form 4 this morning from Feb 2nd. 2 More form 4's from that date as well as 2 form 1's to go, plus 5 form 4's from the 19th and 1 form 4 from the 24th. The one from the morning was a transfer of my wife's individually owned suppressor to our trust. The rest of the form 4's are from me as an individual to the trust. |
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Originally Posted By BM1455: Thanks all for the info on the pictures of the roll marks. Last question is for individual filers and signatures. Do I now need a wet signature and how are you doing that. Thanx. I know for a fact that you have to have a wet signature on trusts. On the ones I sent in, one of the electronic signature forms got submitted and it was the only one that got rejected and the specific reason given was that the electronic signatures were not accepted. I am signed all of mine and scanned them in and then uploaded the pdf to the site. Hope this helps |
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Originally Posted By kdm5296: I know for a fact that you have to have a wet signature on trusts. On the ones I sent in, one of the electronic signature forms got submitted and it was the only one that got rejected and the specific reason given was that the electronic signatures were not accepted. I am signed all of mine and scanned them in and then uploaded the pdf to the site. Hope this helps Originally Posted By kdm5296: Originally Posted By BM1455: Thanks all for the info on the pictures of the roll marks. Last question is for individual filers and signatures. Do I now need a wet signature and how are you doing that. Thanx. I know for a fact that you have to have a wet signature on trusts. On the ones I sent in, one of the electronic signature forms got submitted and it was the only one that got rejected and the specific reason given was that the electronic signatures were not accepted. I am signed all of mine and scanned them in and then uploaded the pdf to the site. Hope this helps |
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Originally Posted By kdm5296: I know for a fact that you have to have a wet signature on trusts. On the ones I sent in, one of the electronic signature forms got submitted and it was the only one that got rejected and the specific reason given was that the electronic signatures were not accepted. I am signed all of mine and scanned them in and then uploaded the pdf to the site. Hope this helps Mine are individuals and I submitted a form 4 can and two form one SBR's today with the auto sign. We'll see what they say but I bet they will both be fine. |
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Originally Posted By kdm5296: Update: Received 14 approvals over about a 7 hour period yesterday 2/24. 45 day wait. All are within a trust. Hopefully the rest will come in today Originally Posted By kdm5296: Originally Posted By kdm5296: I am sure. I submitted 32 on 1/11 and it's been radio silence ever since. Hopefully it won't be too much longer. Update: Received 14 approvals over about a 7 hour period yesterday 2/24. 45 day wait. All are within a trust. Hopefully the rest will come in today Final: Received 6 approvals on 2/25, 7 on 2/26 & 3 on 2/27. 30 approvals and 2 denials (1 because I used a digital signature and 1 because stupid me put the wrong model in  )Resubmitted those 2 along with 5 new submissions on 2/26 and the difference in the control numbers was over 860K, so it looks like still going to have a long wait. |
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Originally Posted By kdm5296: Final: Received 6 approvals on 2/25, 7 on 2/26 & 3 on 2/27. 30 approvals and 2 denials (1 because I used a digital signature and 1 because stupid me put the wrong model in )Resubmitted those 2 along with 5 new submissions on 2/26 and the difference in the control numbers was over 860K, so it looks like still going to have a long wait. @kdm5296 Any chance I could get your control numbers minus the last few digits? Educating my tracker and hoping I can get it to the point where it's acurrately predicting approval dates. |
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Originally Posted By 3one5: @kdm5296 Any chance I could get your control numbers minus the last few digits? Educating my tracker and hoping I can get it to the point where it's acurrately predicting approval dates. First of the 32 original filings on 1/11/2026 were in the 2026132XXXX range. The ones submitted yesterday are in the 2026218XXXX range. Let me know the projected approval if you don't mind |
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Dumb question.... How do I check the status of my forms? I'm missing something |
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Originally Posted By spyderboy03: Did you receive a submitted email? That's your current status. I did. So they send an email at every change of status? |
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Originally Posted By willi3d: Yes, but after submission, the only changes in status are either approved or denied. There aren’t any intermediate steps to see. Gotcha. Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By kdm5296: First of the 32 original filings on 1/11/2026 were in the 2026132XXXX range. The ones submitted yesterday are in the 2026218XXXX range. Let me know the projected approval if you don't mind I just received an approval this morning for my 1/13 submission. My tool was estimating an approval from 47-53 days and this one landed right in the middle of that. Looking at anytime now for the 1/11 submissions and estimated late August for the 2/26 stuff. We'll see if things speed up or additional resources are added to approve forms. The good news is that we're going from 100,000 - 200,000 submissions a day to somewhere around 16,000. The more data points we have the better we'll get at predicting all of this. I'll keep adding data points as you all post them. |
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Originally Posted By aksahsalahs: Got the following form 1's back recently, all trust Submitted 1/10/26, approved 2/22/26 20261267322 202612805xx 202612760xx 202612741xx 202612716xx 202612673xx Submitted 1/12/26, Approved 2/28/26 202613789xx Thanks for the additional data points. These lined up with what the tool was estimating. |
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Originally Posted By 3one5: I just received an approval this morning for my 1/13 submission. My tool was estimating an approval from 47-53 days and this one landed right in the middle of that. Looking at anytime now for the 1/11 submissions and estimated late August for the 2/26 stuff. We'll see if things speed up or additional resources are added to approve forms. The good news is that we're going from 100,000 - 200,000 submissions a day to somewhere around 16,000. The more data points we have the better we'll get at predicting all of this. I'll keep adding data points as you all post them. My 2 form 1's were submitted on 2/2 and are 202619317xx and 202619619xx. 218 forms submitted in the 16 minutes between those submissions. I am just hoping for April approvals as this point. |
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Originally Posted By NvrBrdWes: Finally took the plunge and submitted NFA paperwork for the first time. Ended up submitted three form 4s at once. All on a trust. Put them in yesterday morning. Now we wait 3 Form 4's Submitted Monday 2/9/26 All 3 Approved Sunday 3/1/26 at 5:55am EFT prints, 1RP Trust, submitted through EForms |
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Originally Posted By SpankMonkey: If I'm tracking this right, form 1's. Todays approvals should be 1/13. We'll know soon. |
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Originally Posted By November5: There is no way to accurately track approvals because there is no rhyme or reason behind it. I've had some come back within 24 hours, others that were filed on the same day took several weeks. There are still people waiting on forms that were filed on 1/1. I understand what you are saying but I can see a pattern. Yesterday we were getting approvals for the 12th. The day before that it was the 11th before that the 10th, etc, etc. There are the outliers. No rime or reason for that, but there is a pattern. Today we should see approvals from the 13th. Fingers crossed. |
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Originally Posted By SpankMonkey: I understand what you are saying but I can see a pattern. Yesterday we were getting approvals for the 12th. The day before that it was the 11th before that the 10th, etc, etc. There are the outliers. No rime or reason for that, but there is a pattern. Today we should see approvals from the 13th. Fingers crossed. |
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Originally Posted By spyderboy03: Reddit has form 1 approvals submitted on the 13th and 14th today. There it is! That makes a 14 day pattern. So it looks like form1's are running 43 to 46 days for approvals from submission. Look for 1/14-1/15 tomorrow. |
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For data... All Form 1 SBR's and 1 SBS EFT prints Individual 1. 20266768## Sub:01/04/26 App:01/10/26 2. 20266769## Sub:01/04/26 App:01/10/26 3. 20268864## Sub:01/06/26 App:02/15/26 4. 202610961## Sub:01/09/26 App:02/11/26 5. 202613891## Sub:01/13/26 6. 202618843## Sub:01/28/26 7. 202619261## Sub:02/01/26 8. 202619261## Sub: 02/01/26 Really need ATF to stop being assholes and approve my Jan 28th form 1 before Va's ban goes into effect. |
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