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Posted: 4/25/2021 4:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well it's not a given and folks need to read the fine print and it's better than getting stuck with a unit and one lost their hard earned money is a pretty sad state of affairs to say the least. That's pretty useful input not to have burned 2400 bucks above all else. but either way when someone is disappointed that "for the money" they they paid the same as the dude right below them who got a much better tube than they did (which we get, that's why we call it the lotto, but that doesn't make it less disappointing when you "lose") popping in to remind them that they can return it and have nothing instead - which everyone in this thread already knows given how often you say it - just doesn't really come across as useful input. Sometimes people just want to vent or complain to the group. |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 5:15:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To repeat myself - it's a good policy. I'm saying it's sad that it's not a given, since it really should be. So, good on you guys for doing the right thing. but either way when someone is disappointed that "for the money" they they paid the same as the dude right below them who got a much better tube than they did (which we get, that's why we call it the lotto, but that doesn't make it less disappointing when you "lose") popping in to remind them that they can return it and have nothing instead - which everyone in this thread already knows given how often you say it - just doesn't really come across as useful input. Sometimes people just want to vent or complain to the group. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well it's not a given and folks need to read the fine print and it's better than getting stuck with a unit and one lost their hard earned money is a pretty sad state of affairs to say the least. That's pretty useful input not to have burned 2400 bucks above all else. but either way when someone is disappointed that "for the money" they they paid the same as the dude right below them who got a much better tube than they did (which we get, that's why we call it the lotto, but that doesn't make it less disappointing when you "lose") popping in to remind them that they can return it and have nothing instead - which everyone in this thread already knows given how often you say it - just doesn't really come across as useful input. Sometimes people just want to vent or complain to the group. Understand and IMHO it's worth mentioning again as 95% of most readers here don't look at previous pages, especially 21 pages of a thread.  Edit, my mistake...22 pages!  |
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Posted: 4/26/2021 3:52:33 PM EDT
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Got my DTNVS in today. Here are my specs:
L/R Luminous: 1999/2144 Radiant: 222/236 Halo: 0.65/0.98 EBI: 0.51/0.65 2x10-6 fc (K): 69924/69208 Res: 64/64 FOM: 1964.8/1728 SNR: 30.7/27 Left tube is blem free, right has a small spot in zone 2. |
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Posted: 4/27/2021 12:49:52 PM EDT
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My PVS14 got delivered, looking forward to getting home to check everything out. I see what NGI/TNVC is doing. Shipping when there is a full moon to make everything look better
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Posted: 4/27/2021 4:30:31 PM EDT
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PVS14 got delivered today. Great specs other than the EBI. Quick look shows a zone 3 blem and something in zone 2 that looks like a blurry spot. It may be something on the lense, I’ll have to inspect closer later.
Lum 2484 Halo .66 EBI 2.27 Res 72 SNR 34 FOM 2455 Not sure how much of a problem that EBI will be. I hunt in hot/humid conditions in rural areas where it’s really dark so it may be a no-go for me unfortunately. |
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Posted: 4/27/2021 10:19:43 PM EDT
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Well, I didn't hit the spec PowerBall, but not too shabby.
Lum 1707 Halo .81 EBI .21 Res 64 SNR 26.9 FOM 1721 One small blem in zone 2 that you need a solid wall to find. Sees in the dark just fine. One thing I noticed is that the illuminator is way weaker than my RNVGs. It really seems less powerful than I remember on my issued 14s from the Army, but I've slept since then.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 12:49:16 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I didn't hit the spec PowerBall, but not too shabby. Lum 1707 Halo .81 EBI .21 Res 64 SNR 26.9 FOM 1721 One small blem in zone 2 that you need a solid wall to find. Sees in the dark just fine. One thing I noticed is that the illuminator is way weaker than my RNVGs. It really seems less powerful than I remember on my issued 14s from the Army, but I've slept since then. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60540/20210427_220840_jpg-1921658.JPG Dude score on the EBI. 
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Posted: 4/28/2021 11:46:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude score on the EBI. Yeah, had my fingers crossed for a better SNR, but I live in the woods so the low EBI definitely helps. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 9:18:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I didn't hit the spec PowerBall, but not too shabby. Lum 1707 Halo .81 EBI .21 Res 64 SNR 26.9 FOM 1721 One small blem in zone 2 that you need a solid wall to find. Sees in the dark just fine. One thing I noticed is that the illuminator is way weaker than my RNVGs. It really seems less powerful than I remember on my issued 14s from the Army, but I've slept since then. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60540/20210427_220840_jpg-1921658.JPG I'd be totally happy with that. My snr is a hair lower and I get by just fine. I don't remember the last time I used my onboard IR. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 9:38:34 PM EDT
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What do all those numbers mean for somebody who needs it dummy style?
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Posted: 4/28/2021 10:21:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do all those numbers mean for somebody who needs it dummy style? Check out Silent Solutions (AKA Sam from TNVC) on YouTube he explains it all. And he shows his DICC in one video. |
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Posted: 5/3/2021 3:42:51 PM EDT
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I know the info is probably buried in this thread somewhere but I can’t seem to find it.
Is there a way to get notified ahead of time about when these units will become available again? Also, does the arfcom discount apply on these Elbit systems? I’m hopefully getting a Lamneth restitution check soon and I’ll be looking to buy one of these PVS14’s (or an RNVG if I can convince my boss). |
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Posted: 5/3/2021 4:26:12 PM EDT
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Your best bet is to keep an eye out here, in the Industry Forums, and on Instagram.
There is not a "pre-order" or specific notification list. ~Augee |
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Posted: 5/3/2021 8:49:06 PM EDT
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Howdy Folks,
Got my RNVGs in from the January order window. Here are the specs. I’m happy. Lum 1806/1944 Halo 0.89/0.70 EBI 0.31/0.17 Res 64/64 FOM 1894/1804 SNR 29.6/28.2 Only (1) small blem in Zone 2 on the left tube. Thanks TNVC/NGI! |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 7:59:12 AM EDT
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Friend received his PVS-14, 7523.
Luminous: 2254 Halo: 0.86 EBI: 0.71 Res: 72 FOM: 2232 SNR: 31 Noticeable .009-.012 spot in zone 2, but he is super happy with it. His previous experience is a OMNI VII PVS-7 and GP ECHO PVS-14 that I loaned him for a few months. |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 10:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Howdy Folks, Got my RNVGs in from the January order window. Here are the specs. I’m happy. Lum 1806/1944 Halo 0.89/0.70 EBI 0.31/0.17 Res 64/64 FOM 1894/1804 SNR 29.6/28.2 Only (1) small blem in Zone 2 on the left tube. Thanks TNVC/NGI! Welcome and thank you for the business and trust with our gear. Enjoy! |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 3:54:08 PM EDT
[#17]
Got shipment info! Order 7525.
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Posted: 5/17/2021 6:15:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got shipment info! Order 7525. Same for me on 7534. |
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Posted: 5/21/2021 3:43:16 PM EDT
[#19]
Luminous: 2058
Halo: 0.74 EBI: 0.37 Res: 64 FOM: 1747 SNR: 27 Two Blems in zone 2, one the size of a pin prick. I'm quite happy, but unfortunately my old Omni IV tube was spotless, so it's gonna take some getting used to "accepting" the larger blem.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/22/2021 12:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Luminous: 2058 Halo: 0.74 EBI: 0.37 Res: 64 FOM: 1747 SNR: 27 Two Blems in zone 2, one the size of a pin prick. I'm quite happy, but unfortunately my old Omni IV tube was spotless, so it's gonna take some getting used to "accepting" the larger blem. Had a similar spot in mine but a bit further out and a little larger, hated it at first but after really using it night shooting and walking in the woods I didnt even notice it any more. They have to fail the cut for some reason and if the specs are good then it has to be something cosmetic. Unfortunately my spec lottery winning 2700 FOM xls started dying after a month with what appears to be a huge emissions point, hoping I get a decent spec one back. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 3:08:39 PM EDT
[#21]
Got my RNVGs.
Luminous: 2031/2082 Radiant: 226/226 Halo: .97/.97 EBI: .55/.36 Res: 64/64 FOM: 1612/1676 SNR: 25.2/26.2 Zone 3 spots in each tube. Not amazing but for the price I'd say it's a great value. |
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Posted: 5/24/2021 12:56:52 PM EDT
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My PVS14 arrived today. Quite happy with the specs. Has a blem very similar to what Thor posted above but I am fine with that.
Luminous: 2262 Halo: 0.81 EBI: 1.02 Res: 72 FOM: 2174.4 SNR: 30.2 |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 11:38:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got my RNVGs. Luminous: 2031/2082 Radiant: 226/226 Halo: .97/.97 EBI: .55/.36 Res: 64/64 FOM: 1612/1676 SNR: 25.2/26.2 Zone 3 spots in each tube. Not amazing but for the price I'd say it's a great value. A fantastic value for what you got. Thank you for the business Outlaw! |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 10:45:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My PVS14 arrived today. Quite happy with the specs. Has a blem very similar to what Thor posted above but I am fine with that. Luminous: 2262 Halo: 0.81 EBI: 1.02 Res: 72 FOM: 2174.4 SNR: 30.2 Great specs for the price! Thank you for the business. |
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Posted: 7/1/2021 10:56:30 PM EDT
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Be sure to look at the Site News on top of the forums!
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Posted: 7/3/2021 9:57:13 PM EDT
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In a few more hours or less we'll be launching the Newsletter to ready all to jump tonight at Midnight, eastern time!!
Happy 4th of July!! |
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Posted: 7/16/2021 5:32:02 PM EDT
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Got a set of the DTNVS from this years Independence Day sale.
Haven’t turned them on yet to check for any spots or anything, but going off the spec sheets, insanely happy with my purchase. Thanks y’all! |
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Posted: 7/16/2021 6:45:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got a set of the DTNVS from this years Independence Day sale. Haven’t turned them on yet to check for any spots or anything, but going off the spec sheets, insanely happy with my purchase. Thanks y’all! Thank you for the business, look forward to your review. |
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Posted: 7/17/2021 12:44:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got a set of the DTNVS from this years Independence Day sale. Haven’t turned them on yet to check for any spots or anything, but going off the spec sheets, insanely happy with my purchase. Thanks y’all! Small spots in the both tubes in center, don't have a way to measure them. Tubes perform well, need to reup membership and will get some pics up L/R PCS - 2538 / 2377 Halo - .63 / .68 EBI - 1.38 / 1.51 Lum gain - 66711 / 66759 Res - 76 / 76 FOM - 2371.2 / 2378.8 SNR - 31.2 / 31.3 Edit: spots are not visible during use, and only barely visible on drywall 11/10 - would buy again |
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Posted: 7/17/2021 2:34:15 PM EDT
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I forgot to post this here the other day when posted in the other thread.
FOM 1911 Gain 8400 Res 67 EBI .07 SNR 28.52 HALO .77 These are the YOTE specs. Im new to night vision, so I don’t know much about these specs but they look great to my eye! Any input is appreciated!! |
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Posted: 7/20/2021 4:57:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Small spots in the both tubes in center, don't have a way to measure them. Tubes perform well, need to reup membership and will get some pics up L/R PCS - 2538 / 2377 Halo - .63 / .68 EBI - 1.38 / 1.51 Lum gain - 66711 / 66759 Res - 76 / 76 FOM - 2371.2 / 2378.8 SNR - 31.2 / 31.3 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Got a set of the DTNVS from this years Independence Day sale. Haven’t turned them on yet to check for any spots or anything, but going off the spec sheets, insanely happy with my purchase. Thanks y’all! Small spots in the both tubes in center, don't have a way to measure them. Tubes perform well, need to reup membership and will get some pics up L/R PCS - 2538 / 2377 Halo - .63 / .68 EBI - 1.38 / 1.51 Lum gain - 66711 / 66759 Res - 76 / 76 FOM - 2371.2 / 2378.8 SNR - 31.2 / 31.3 Great specs for the price! Thank you.
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Posted: 7/20/2021 5:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great specs for the price! Thank you.Thank y’all!! Edited original post for more detail on my spot in tubes so folks don’t think you can only see around the edges hahaha! Will get pics up shortly Not the first purchase from TNVC, and (unfortunately for my wallet) definitely not the last |
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Posted: 7/21/2021 12:35:21 PM EDT
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Elbit DTNVS
Lum: 2492. 2448 Halo: 0.76. 0.74 EBI: .63. 1.93 FOM: 2325.6. 2325.6 SNR: 30.6 30.6 |
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Posted: 7/22/2021 7:53:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Elbit DTNVS Lum: 2492. 2448 Halo: 0.76. 0.74 EBI: .63. 1.93 FOM: 2325.6. 2325.6 SNR: 30.6 30.6 Very solid specs for the price! |
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Posted: 7/31/2021 5:17:02 PM EDT
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For others with DTNVS, do you notice the light pipe (LED indicator for low battery/IR light) when it's off? Got mine during the 4th of July sale and just had time to take it outside in the night for some walk around. The light pipe is quite obvious and covering part of the image on the left pod, on the right to a smaller extend, I never had the same issue with my L3 PVS-14.
A quick exam with power off it looks like the light pipe is much larger and protrudes into the phosphors screen, with the left one seems even larger and not as clear. Compare to the one on PVS-14, it's just short of the screen.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/11/2021 1:09:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Pvs-14 , got it yesterday. 757x I must have been one of the last to get an oder in.
Luminous: 2427 Halo: .66 EBI: 1.72 Res: 76 FOM: 2599.2 SNR: 34.2 Zone 2 small blem |
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Posted: 8/11/2021 3:17:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pvs-14 , got it yesterday. 757x I must have been one of the last to get an oder in. Luminous: 2427 Halo: .66 EBI: 1.72 Res: 76 FOM: 2599.2 SNR: 34.2 Zone 2 small blem Great specs! We thank you for the business and trust with our gear! |
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Posted: 8/12/2021 11:10:05 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank y’all!! Edited original post for more detail on my spot in tubes so folks don’t think you can only see around the edges hahaha! Will get pics up shortly Not the first purchase from TNVC, and (unfortunately for my wallet) definitely not the last  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 3:51:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For others with DTNVS, do you notice the light pipe (LED indicator for low battery/IR light) when it's off? Got mine during the 4th of July sale and just had time to take it outside in the night for some walk around. The light pipe is quite obvious and covering part of the image on the left pod, on the right to a smaller extend, I never had the same issue with my L3 PVS-14. A quick exam with power off it looks like the light pipe is much larger and protrudes into the phosphors screen, with the left one seems even larger and not as clear. Compare to the one on PVS-14, it's just short of the screen. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/469219/unnamed_jpg-2034955.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/469219/IMG-5956_jpg-2034954.JPG Will & Joshua at TNVC took care of this by "shaving" the light pipes, apparently the light pipes that come from AIB may be a little oversized. Just got it back and looks great, thanks Will and Joshua! |
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Posted: 8/19/2021 7:05:05 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will & Joshua at TNVC took care of this by "shaving" the light pipes, apparently the light pipes that come from AIB may be a little oversized. Just got it back and looks great, thanks Will and Joshua! 
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Posted: 8/22/2021 9:20:27 AM EDT
[#41]
So was there a drop on 7/4? I didn't see anyone saying they ordered. Trying to figure out if one is coming soon or if it just happened. Don't want to wait until next year to order then it take 6 months to build...
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Posted: 8/22/2021 9:22:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So was there a drop on 7/4? I didn't see anyone saying they ordered. Trying to figure out if one is coming soon or if it just happened. Don't want to wait until next year to order then it take 6 months to build... Yeah I'm with you on that. It seems like the lead time is really 12 months. 6 months to be able to order then 6 months to build, assuming you get the notification that the 30 minute window to order is open |
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Posted: 8/22/2021 4:55:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I'm with you on that. It seems like the lead time is really 12 months. 6 months to be able to order then 6 months to build, assuming you get the notification that the 30 minute window to order is open Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So was there a drop on 7/4? I didn't see anyone saying they ordered. Trying to figure out if one is coming soon or if it just happened. Don't want to wait until next year to order then it take 6 months to build... Yeah I'm with you on that. It seems like the lead time is really 12 months. 6 months to be able to order then 6 months to build, assuming you get the notification that the 30 minute window to order is open @tnvc Did you drop some in July? I know you "don't know when we will have more" but surely you have an idea if there will be some relatively soon or like next year. |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 10:29:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @tnvc Did you drop some in July? I know you "don't know when we will have more" but surely you have an idea if there will be some relatively soon or like next year. The best suggestion that I can make is to get on the notifications list, sign up for our newsletters, and keep an eye on our social media. This isn't an attempt to plug our accounts--however because demand has continued to exceed supply, we are having to coordinate releases in such a way that it is as fair to everyone as possible. That being said, claims of greater than normal supply difficulties from Elbit by some vendors have been greatly exaggerated. ~Augee |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 10:50:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The best suggestion that I can make is to get on the notifications list, sign up for our newsletters, and keep an eye on our social media. This isn't an attempt to plug our accounts--however because demand has continued to exceed supply, we are having to coordinate releases in such a way that it is as fair to everyone as possible. That being said, claims of greater than normal supply difficulties from Elbit by some vendors have been greatly exaggerated. ~Augee Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @tnvc Did you drop some in July? I know you "don't know when we will have more" but surely you have an idea if there will be some relatively soon or like next year. The best suggestion that I can make is to get on the notifications list, sign up for our newsletters, and keep an eye on our social media. This isn't an attempt to plug our accounts--however because demand has continued to exceed supply, we are having to coordinate releases in such a way that it is as fair to everyone as possible. That being said, claims of greater than normal supply difficulties from Elbit by some vendors have been greatly exaggerated. ~Augee Whenever they do drop again, will they have to be built to order from that point or will you have some ready to go? |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 10:55:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whenever they do drop again, will they have to be built to order from that point or will you have some ready to go? We will have some pre-built units, however we may or may not choose to accept a small number of back orders to the extent we feel that it is reasonable and sustainable--again, the issue at large is that demand still exceeds supply at this time, not just in the night vision industry, but in many industries. Because of the huge demand for the XLS systems, we have been continually assessing and evaluating our release strategies and for every person who is upset that product is not immediately in-stock and ready to ship, there's another that is literally begging to get on a backorder list, even if they have to wait six months or more. We are trying to strike the best balance between availability and reasonable backorder times, as well as being fair to all customers who are looking to get one. ~Augee |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 11:29:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We will have some pre-built units, however we may or may not choose to accept a small number of back orders to the extent we feel that it is reasonable and sustainable--again, the issue at large is that demand still exceeds supply at this time, not just in the night vision industry, but in many industries. Because of the huge demand for the XLS systems, we have been continually assessing and evaluating our release strategies and for every person who is upset that product is not immediately in-stock and ready to ship, there's another that is literally begging to get on a backorder list, even if they have to wait six months or more. We are trying to strike the best balance between availability and reasonable backorder times, as well as being fair to all customers who are looking to get one. ~Augee Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whenever they do drop again, will they have to be built to order from that point or will you have some ready to go? We will have some pre-built units, however we may or may not choose to accept a small number of back orders to the extent we feel that it is reasonable and sustainable--again, the issue at large is that demand still exceeds supply at this time, not just in the night vision industry, but in many industries. Because of the huge demand for the XLS systems, we have been continually assessing and evaluating our release strategies and for every person who is upset that product is not immediately in-stock and ready to ship, there's another that is literally begging to get on a backorder list, even if they have to wait six months or more. We are trying to strike the best balance between availability and reasonable backorder times, as well as being fair to all customers who are looking to get one. ~Augee Yep I get it, just trying to figure out what to expect. I'm still on the list and monitoring all sources for updates. |
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Posted: 9/2/2021 3:34:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep I get it, just trying to figure out what to expect. I'm still on the list and monitoring all sources for updates. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Whenever they do drop again, will they have to be built to order from that point or will you have some ready to go? We will have some pre-built units, however we may or may not choose to accept a small number of back orders to the extent we feel that it is reasonable and sustainable--again, the issue at large is that demand still exceeds supply at this time, not just in the night vision industry, but in many industries. Because of the huge demand for the XLS systems, we have been continually assessing and evaluating our release strategies and for every person who is upset that product is not immediately in-stock and ready to ship, there's another that is literally begging to get on a backorder list, even if they have to wait six months or more. We are trying to strike the best balance between availability and reasonable backorder times, as well as being fair to all customers who are looking to get one. ~Augee Yep I get it, just trying to figure out what to expect. I'm still on the list and monitoring all sources for updates. We will be letting folks know well ahead of time.
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Posted: 9/3/2021 10:21:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So was there a drop on 7/4? I didn't see anyone saying they ordered. Trying to figure out if one is coming soon or if it just happened. Don't want to wait until next year to order then it take 6 months to build... I made an order for DTNVS on July 4 and it shipped two weeks later. Ymmv |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 1:48:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So was there a drop on 7/4? I didn't see anyone saying they ordered. Trying to figure out if one is coming soon or if it just happened. Don't want to wait until next year to order then it take 6 months to build... @UndrGrndPrdcts they have 1 set of DTNVG with echo tubes available right now. |
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