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Posted: 8/12/2020 2:29:38 PM EDT
Hello Gents,
The patent pending CAM-LOK™ (Covert Application Mount - Locking) is a universal QD piston system comprised of two parts, the piston, and the barrel adapter. A lot of time was spent on this product. Its a really cool product that I believe silencer fans of several brands will come to enjoy over the coming years. Congrats to and all the Griffin team members that had a hand in making this happen. More info: CAM-LOK pistons for tilt barrel pistols CAM-LOK Barrel Adapters  The Griffin CAM-LOK™ (Covert Application Mount - Locking) |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 2:33:35 PM EDT
[#1]
Neat concept. Any chance you will make pistons for CGS suppressors?
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Posted: 8/12/2020 2:56:01 PM EDT
[#2]
Nice!
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Posted: 8/12/2020 2:56:38 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neat concept. Any chance you will make pistons for CGS suppressors? We did. We just didn't have a CGS suppressor for the video. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 3:14:23 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted:[/b]We did. We just didn't have a CGS suppressor for the video. Nice. I may have to convert a few cans. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 3:28:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Interesting.
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Posted: 8/12/2020 3:45:07 PM EDT
[#6]
This is really cool.
So to put my Omega 36M (Charlie) Supp on my HK VP9 with it's 13.5x1mm LH German barrel, I'd need: SiCo (Charlie) Piston Mount (have it) Griffin CAM-LOK 13.5x1mm LH Barrel Adapter Griffin CAM-LOK Piston for SiCo Is that right? The only "inconvenience" I see is during a pistol tear-down, right? Just need to unscrew the barrel adapter, tear down, and re-torque barrel adapter to 20 ft lbs. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 3:55:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is really cool. So to put my Omega 36M (Charlie) Supp on my HK VP9 with it's 13.5x1mm LH German barrel, I'd need: SiCo (Charlie) Piston Mount (have it) Griffin CAM-LOK 13.5x1mm LH Barrel Adapter Griffin CAM-LOK Piston for SiCo Is that right? The only "inconvenience" I see is during a pistol tear-down, right? Just need to unscrew the barrel adapter, tear down, and re-torque barrel adapter to 20 ft lbs. That's exactly correct. I think people clean pistols a lot more often than necessary. I remember old Gunsite videos and stuff like that where the instructors were saying to run about 850 rounds between field stripping the 1911 for cleaning, and outside of that just apply lubrication every hundred rounds or so and punch the bore between range trips. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 4:00:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's exactly correct. I think people clean pistols a lot more often than necessary. I remember old Gunsite videos and stuff like that where the instructors were saying to run about 850 rounds between field stripping the 1911 for cleaning, and outside of that just apply lubrication every hundred rounds or so and punch the bore between range trips. Cool, 'cept you're out of stock on the barrel adapter :) I think HK's polygonal barrels don't foul quite as fast either. There's usually not much "cleaning" required after hundreds of rounds anyway. :) |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 4:10:11 PM EDT
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So I would need to buy the CAM-LOK for every pistol suppressor. Is the piston the same for all calibers so I could buy a piston for my 45 Osprey and be able to switch it between a 9 mm and 45 suppressor host? Or will I still need to buy thread specific pistons.
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Posted: 8/12/2020 4:18:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I would need to buy the CAM-LOK for every pistol suppressor. Is the piston the same for all calibers so I could buy a piston for my 45 Osprey and be able to switch it between a 9 mm and 45 suppressor host? Or will I still need to buy thread specific pistons. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 4:21:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No more thread specific pistons. Each pistol gets a cam lok qd mount and and each suppressor gets a cam lok piston. Just don't put your 9mm can on your .45. That in itself may be the biggest benefit. Running between calibers or different threaded hosts (1/2x28 and 13.5mm L) without having to swap suppressor components around. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 4:35:12 PM EDT
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You read my mind! I have been thinking about this concept for the past year or so. Kudos to Griffin Armament for bringing it to market. I just placed my order!
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Posted: 8/12/2020 4:42:56 PM EDT
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@Green0
You knew I'd ask  ETA on 13.5x1mm LH Barrel Adapters? |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 4:46:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You read my mind! I have been thinking about this concept for the past year or so. Kudos to Griffin Armament for bringing it to market. I just placed my order! Yeah, I’ve been thinking about a way to incorporate a taper mount for pistol cans for a couple years now. My solution was a taper on every barrel and a tapered piston for that barrel. This solution is better I’ll be ordering a few pistons and taper mounts myself. I like how they incorporated a tri lug-like thread design for fast attach. Genius. Will there be thread protectors for that or just those comps? |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 5:07:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Green0 You knew I'd ask ETA on 13.5x1mm LH Barrel Adapters? Just in today from nitride they should be getting into inventory today. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 5:10:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I’ve been thinking about a way to incorporate a taper mount for pistol cans for a couple years now. My solution was a taper on every barrel and a tapered piston for that barrel. This solution is better I’ll be ordering a few pistons and taper mounts myself. I like how they incorporated a tri lug-like thread design for fast attach. Genius. Will there be thread protectors for that or just those comps? The thread is a 16 pitch profile, it's pretty rugged. The micro comp is the thread protector if desired. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 5:12:53 PM EDT
[#17]
Sounds neat- I would like to see if they perform well on my Osprey 45s.
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Posted: 8/12/2020 5:17:10 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds neat- I would like to see if they perform well on my Osprey 45s. The pistons aren't slotted and are not Osprey compatible. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 5:53:30 PM EDT
[#19]
Cool
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Posted: 8/12/2020 6:01:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The pistons aren't slotted and are not Osprey compatible. 
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Posted: 8/12/2020 6:08:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool, 'cept you're out of stock on the barrel adapter :) I think HK's polygonal barrels don't foul quite as fast either. There's usually not much "cleaning" required after hundreds of rounds anyway. :) I take down my pistols after most shooting sessions not so much for the bore, but to wipe down and re-apply CLP to the barrel and slide interior. Hell you can get the bore without field stripping anyway. Neat idea, but I'm kinda thinking this just relocates the thread-on problem to the adapter instead of the suppressor. Would make a long range session with multiple different hosts more fun though. Just struck me... could this be done with a 3-lug adapter instead of that semi-threaded thing? Then MP5s and other 3-lugged sub guns could be thrown in the mix with no mount change-outs necessary. And if this thing already blocks being able to field-strip, not seeing much other downside other than maybe weight, but that wouldn't mean much to me. Unless it was enough weight to mess with the cycling of the gun. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 7:01:09 PM EDT
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A 3 lug system would require a total redesign of the booster, and wouldn't be a rigid mount like this for minimal runout. A three lug booster system wouldn't be an easy retrofit either.
You can lubricate the slide lugs of a pistol by locking the slide to the rear and rolling the gun 135 degrees over and putting a couple drops of oil on top of the slide through the ejection port. The bushing by lubricating the exposed barrel in that position, the slide rails in that same condition, etc. The Gunsite people weren't wrong though. People field strip handguns more often than they need to. If you lube with SFL 0 grease the grease will stay in the assembly a lot longer than oil too. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 7:45:48 PM EDT
[#23]
Yeah I guess I forgot about 3 lug mounting not actually being a booster. Could put one of the adapters on the threads forward of the 3-lug, but then that's lengthening the setup considerably, and low profile is one of the best things about 3-lug mounting.
Actually, that said, is using a piston mount on a fixed barrel actively BAD, or just unnecessary? |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 7:48:59 PM EDT
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Greeno, this is awesome! I will be ordering these for several of my cans and pistols. You need to make 5em for TiRANT 9 pattern and also for the Osprey. Then I’d have everything.
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Posted: 8/12/2020 7:52:15 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I guess I forgot about 3 lug mounting not actually being a booster. Could put one of the adapters on the threads forward of the 3-lug, but then that's lengthening the setup considerably, and low profile is one of the best things about 3-lug mounting. Actually, that said, is using a piston mount on a fixed barrel actively BAD, or just unnecessary? I don't know what you're asking really. The 3-lug is a great mount when the spring tension is heavy and there, because alignment is perfect when the can is not overheated and properly spring biased. If you want to lean on the can (which goes against marksmanship fundamentals which suggest you should never rest a barrel on anything), the alignment is compromised to a decent extent. That's the con of 3 lug mounting on a fixed barrel. The booster housing / piston already has tolerances. So it's already never perfect in alignment (close but not perfect), but it is more perfect than taking those tolerance issues innate to the piston, and adding the ability to force it out of straight that exists in a 3 lug mount. In these pistons we manufactured all datums in one operation, so we make a piston where all the diameters are qualified, which is ~.0002" TIR at maybe 2" or about .001" over the length of a sound suppressor. That near perfect piston is desirable because we are adding a component- the barrel end coupler. Some of the barrel end couplers also have all datums qualified in a single workholding, but some of them get transferred in a machine. They are probably more like .0003 TIR components. Still very accurate. These are the most accurate pistons we have ever made. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 8:03:21 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Greeno, this is awesome! I will be ordering these for several of my cans and pistols. You need to make 5em for TiRANT 9 pattern and also for the Osprey. Then I’d have everything. Thanks! We appreciate it. Yeah unfortunately the Tirant 9 would need a Tirant 45 rear cap, I believe to work. They used a .625" or so diameter piston shaft, it's too small for integration of this system. Having two pistons for 2 cans is kind of dumb. It screws the customer out of value, but it might help sound performance I'd imagine to the tune of ~1 DB with the smaller piston venting gas better into the booster housing. I think the single external dimension piston is a great value to the customer so that if the customer owns a 45 can and a 9mm can, the piston collection is interchangeable with both products from the same brand. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 8:06:30 PM EDT
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Will this fit: hybrid 46, octane 45, omega 9k, and/or wolfman?
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Posted: 8/12/2020 8:26:30 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will this fit: hybrid 46, octane 45, omega 9k, and/or wolfman? Yes all of the above. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 8:29:39 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes all of the above. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will this fit: hybrid 46, octane 45, omega 9k, and/or wolfman? Yes all of the above. Dang! That’s awesome. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 9:57:53 PM EDT
[#30]
Kinda tempting, but of course no 14.5x1L adapters
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Posted: 8/12/2020 10:48:45 PM EDT
[#31]
Dudes.
It takes a lot to impress me anymore. And I don't use this word as often as I would like. This CAM system is AWESOME. Can't wait to see mine. Just ordered. Would also love to see some engineering miracle to get a Tirant 9 one done. I understand that challenges but hey- you solved this problem. on to the next one.  Any idea when the CAM comps might be available? I could not find them on the site. |
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Posted: 8/12/2020 11:18:08 PM EDT
[#32]
What immediately jumped out at me is reduced worry about burning my hand. The can should stay locked on the adapter since it is attached with coarse taper threads, and it no longer requires a significant amount of time to attach and remove a pistol can. Looks to be one firm twist to attach and remove, which is now much more easily accomplished with a hot pad or whatever. Since the adapter can be torqued with a common ft-lb torque wrench, I don’t need to worry about it walking off either.
Really cool product. I hope Griffin Armament sells a ton of them. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 5:38:12 AM EDT
[#33]
This is neat.
Question: What is the future of something like this integrated into the barrel instead of tradition threading? |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 5:55:29 AM EDT
[#34]
Yea I hate to use this word but this is a GAMECHANGER.. good on you griffin. I’ll be ordering today!
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Posted: 8/13/2020 7:12:58 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dudes. It takes a lot to impress me anymore. And I don't use this word as often as I would like. This CAM system is AWESOME. Can't wait to see mine. Just ordered. Would also love to see some engineering miracle to get a Tirant 9 one done. I understand that challenges but hey- you solved this problem. on to the next one. Any idea when the CAM comps might be available? I could not find them on the site. X2 |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 7:32:48 AM EDT
[#36]
Ordered.
1 piston 3 barrel adapters Will see how it does on my Obsidian 45 |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:38:27 AM EDT
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I wonder if this system would work on a LWRC SMG-45. It requires a booster piston and spring, but the barrel doesn’t tilt, it slides forward and back. Not sure how strict the tilt barrel limitation is.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 11:54:06 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dudes. It takes a lot to impress me anymore. And I don't use this word as often as I would like. This CAM system is AWESOME. Can't wait to see mine. Just ordered. Would also love to see some engineering miracle to get a Tirant 9 one done. I understand that challenges but hey- you solved this problem. on to the next one. Any idea when the CAM comps might be available? I could not find them on the site. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:23:47 PM EDT
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No Ti Rant 9M piston?
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:24:31 PM EDT
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I picked these up last week for my octane and ghost and they literally are a snap to use.
People say if it's worth 5s of threading and unthreading. No but not needing to worry about it threading off on non left-hand threading makes it worth it 100x! |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:09:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Ti Rant 9M piston? Quote HistoryQuoted: No Ti Rant 9M piston? Quoted: Yeah unfortunately the Tirant 9 would need a Tirant 45 rear cap, I believe to work. They used a .625" or so diameter piston shaft, it's too small for integration of this system. Having two pistons for 2 cans is kind of dumb. It screws the customer out of value, but it might help sound performance I'd imagine to the tune of ~1 DB with the smaller piston venting gas better into the booster housing. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:51:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dudes. It takes a lot to impress me anymore. And I don't use this word as often as I would like. This CAM system is AWESOME. Can't wait to see mine. Just ordered. Would also love to see some engineering miracle to get a Tirant 9 one done. I understand that challenges but hey- you solved this problem. on to the next one. Any idea when the CAM comps might be available? I could not find them on the site. I just ordered a set to try out on my TiRANT-45s with my HK45CT. First of many. Next will be all my Sico cans and lots more pistol thread adapters...... I was stewing on the TiRANT-9 issue and wondered about just offering a replacement rear cap and piston combo? |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 4:47:40 PM EDT
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Is there a piston-silencer compatibility list?
NVM. Should've read through both linked pages. ETA this is definitely a game changer. Way to think outside the box, Griffin guys & gals. 
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Posted: 8/13/2020 4:59:36 PM EDT
[#44]
I like it.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 5:05:56 PM EDT
[#45]
Damn this is awesome. I wish this was out a year ago before I bought a bunch of pistons.
Will this work with fixed barrel spacers? |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 6:09:15 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn this is awesome. I wish this was out a year ago before I bought a bunch of pistons. Will this work with fixed barrel spacers? It would do you good to read the links provided in the OP.  Use of the CAM-LOK™ system with a fixed spacer on a fixed barrel firearm will cause damage to the suppressor. This is for use on handguns with title barrel pistols only such as Glock, HK, SIG, 1911, S&W M&P....etc. A fixed firearm would be a 9mm carbine (PCC), a bolt action, etc. Of course, it would also do GA good to proofread their website. I’m guessing they didn’t intend to say “title barrel pistols” 
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Posted: 8/13/2020 6:22:18 PM EDT
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Yeah this just rocks and I just ordered. Saw this in an earlier video and realized what an industry wide change this is. Well done ??.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:29:04 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It would do you good to read the links provided in the OP. Use of the CAM-LOK™ system with a fixed spacer on a fixed barrel firearm will cause damage to the suppressor. This is for use on handguns with title barrel pistols only such as Glock, HK, SIG, 1911, S&W M&P....etc. A fixed firearm would be a 9mm carbine (PCC), a bolt action, etc. Of course, it would also do GA good to proofread their website. I’m guessing they didn’t intend to say “title barrel pistols” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn this is awesome. I wish this was out a year ago before I bought a bunch of pistons. Will this work with fixed barrel spacers? It would do you good to read the links provided in the OP. Use of the CAM-LOK™ system with a fixed spacer on a fixed barrel firearm will cause damage to the suppressor. This is for use on handguns with title barrel pistols only such as Glock, HK, SIG, 1911, S&W M&P....etc. A fixed firearm would be a 9mm carbine (PCC), a bolt action, etc. Of course, it would also do GA good to proofread their website. I’m guessing they didn’t intend to say “title barrel pistols” Thanks, I skimmed and missed that. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:07:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is neat. Question: What is the future of something like this integrated into the barrel instead of tradition threading? I’d think the issue would be that the diameter of the barrel adapter looks greater than the diameter of the barrels, especially 9mm barrels. If it’s larger than the barrel opening in the front of the slide, you wouldn’t be able to remove the barrel from the slide with the adapter integrated with the barrel. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 11:18:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda tempting, but of course no 14.5x1L adapters I made a CNC program for one, but then wanted to buy a gun to demo 40 caliber and found out HK had apparently discontinued threaded 40 caliber pistols. I was thinking the market must be tiny for something people can’t buy. |
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