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Posted: 11/9/2018 5:22:45 PM EDT
[#1]
I've been stuck in FBI BGC for at least 2 moths, probably more.
Check cashed date was early Feb 2018. Who would be the best congressman to contact for Arizona? |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 11:18:45 PM EDT
[#2]
Update on where I'm at. My rep has been quick and has contacted me most every day with something. He is working with both a FBI and a NFA/ATF liaison. FBI said he saw no credit check under my info and needed a NTN number. I contact my first NFA Examiner and she said they're not supposed to give it out. I passed that on to my rep. NFA/ATF Liaison I believe couldn't do much either. So... I called back to check status and my other examiner said he had no problem with giving my NTN numbers. Since I have provided that Info to my local rep I haven't heard back in two days. I am hoping this means stuff is getting handled. Fingers crossed.
Also, I've been in backgound check purgatory since February according to my examiner. Hope to have good news next week. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 2:30:59 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 56cbr600rr:
Update on where I'm at. My rep has been quick and has contacted me most every day with something. He is working with both a FBI and a NFA/ATF liaison. FBI said he saw no credit check under my info and needed a NTN number. I contact my first NFA Examiner and she said they're not supposed to give it out. I passed that on to my rep. NFA/ATF Liaison I believe couldn't do much either. So... I called back to check status and my other examiner said he had no problem with giving my NTN numbers. Since I have provided that Info to my local rep I haven't heard back in two days. I am hoping this means stuff is getting handled. Fingers crossed. Also, I've been in backgound check purgatory since February according to my examiner. Hope to have good news next week. 
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Posted: 11/10/2018 5:36:17 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig:
They do a credit check? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig:
Originally Posted By 56cbr600rr:
Update on where I'm at. My rep has been quick and has contacted me most every day with something. He is working with both a FBI and a NFA/ATF liaison. FBI said he saw no credit check under my info and needed a NTN number. I contact my first NFA Examiner and she said they're not supposed to give it out. I passed that on to my rep. NFA/ATF Liaison I believe couldn't do much either. So... I called back to check status and my other examiner said he had no problem with giving my NTN numbers. Since I have provided that Info to my local rep I haven't heard back in two days. I am hoping this means stuff is getting handled. Fingers crossed. Also, I've been in backgound check purgatory since February according to my examiner. Hope to have good news next week. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 3:54:54 PM EDT
[#5]
I have it officially in court documents filed by DOJ on behalf of FBI that the FBI’s official position is no appeals for BGC denials for NFA. my goal is to change that.
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Posted: 11/10/2018 4:44:41 PM EDT
[#6]
Oops.... background check was what I meant.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig:
They do a credit check? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig:
Originally Posted By 56cbr600rr:
Update on where I'm at. My rep has been quick and has contacted me most every day with something. He is working with both a FBI and a NFA/ATF liaison. FBI said he saw no credit check under my info and needed a NTN number. I contact my first NFA Examiner and she said they're not supposed to give it out. I passed that on to my rep. NFA/ATF Liaison I believe couldn't do much either. So... I called back to check status and my other examiner said he had no problem with giving my NTN numbers. Since I have provided that Info to my local rep I haven't heard back in two days. I am hoping this means stuff is getting handled. Fingers crossed. Also, I've been in backgound check purgatory since February according to my examiner. Hope to have good news next week. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 5:28:00 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
I have it officially in court documents filed by DOJ on behalf of FBI that the FBI's official position is no appeals for BGC denials for NFA. my goal is to change that. Excessive time for a BGC is the issue here. Even after approved for NFA items you have do another BGC before picking it up. That one takes minutes in most cases. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 6:27:49 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DuneShoot:
That is awesome but I think this is a different scenario. Excessive time for a BGC is the issue here. Even after approved for NFA items you have do another BGC before picking it up. That one takes minutes in most cases. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DuneShoot:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
I have it officially in court documents filed by DOJ on behalf of FBI that the FBI's official position is no appeals for BGC denials for NFA. my goal is to change that. Excessive time for a BGC is the issue here. Even after approved for NFA items you have do another BGC before picking it up. That one takes minutes in most cases. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 6:30:39 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: I get that it's different. My understanding from what I've been told is that after 88 days of processing the BGC is automatically denied even if it is a delay. What I gather from this thread is the reason for the delay is they get 'lost' in a drawer somewhere/put on the back burner. A double BGC is BS anyway! |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 7:00:11 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DuneShoot:
Even after approved for NFA items you have do another BGC before picking it up. That one takes minutes in most cases. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 7:08:23 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Not at the federal level. You may have a state/local law that causes that, but it's not part of the NFA process. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 9:19:33 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: I get that it's different. My understanding from what I've been told is that after 88 days of processing the BGC is automatically denied even if it is a delay. That's not to discourage you from fighting the good fight. I and many others appreciate all of your efforts. For real, I <3 you, no homo |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 9:22:41 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DuneShoot:
Is a NICS not federal? They don't think it be like it is but it do. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 9:48:00 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RLunyATL:
I've heard that as well, I had 2 form 4's hit pending background check in May, and 2 more in June. I contacted my congressman's office and through whatever magic they perform the FBI completed my background check the next day (10/23), so all forms were well past 88 days That's not to discourage you from fighting the good fight. I and many others appreciate all of your efforts. For real, I <3 you, no homo Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RLunyATL:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere: I get that it's different. My understanding from what I've been told is that after 88 days of processing the BGC is automatically denied even if it is a delay. That's not to discourage you from fighting the good fight. I and many others appreciate all of your efforts. For real, I <3 you, no homo |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 9:57:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RLunyATL]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Was it 88 days post BGC or post cashing the check? I'm genuinely interested because the time frames are all over the map. Maybe they just started holding delays instead of auto denial? I don't know that answer. ETA I'd heard 88 days post flagging on the instant NICS check, thus putting you in "pending background check" status. When I picked up my cans Monday I talked to someone at Quiet Riot @QRFjake who mentioned something about after 90 days it tossed back in the loop. I don't remember details because I was giddy about picking up my cans. Maybe he can chime in. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 10:05:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RLunyATL:
First 2, check cashed 12/16/17, pending background check early May. Second 2, check cashed 2/4/18, pending background check late June. Finally approved 10/26/18 after getting my congressman's office involved. ETA I'd heard 88 days post flagging on the instant NICS check, thus putting you in "pending background check" status. When I picked up my cans Monday I talked to someone at Quiet Riot @QRFjake who mentioned something about after 90 days it tossed back in the loop. I don't remember details because I was giddy about picking up my cans. Maybe he can chime in. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RLunyATL:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere: Was it 88 days post BGC or post cashing the check? I'm genuinely interested because the time frames are all over the map. Maybe they just started holding delays instead of auto denial? I don't know that answer. ETA I'd heard 88 days post flagging on the instant NICS check, thus putting you in "pending background check" status. When I picked up my cans Monday I talked to someone at Quiet Riot @QRFjake who mentioned something about after 90 days it tossed back in the loop. I don't remember details because I was giddy about picking up my cans. Maybe he can chime in. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 10:31:48 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
I have it officially in court documents filed by DOJ on behalf of FBI that the FBI’s official position is no appeals for BGC denials for NFA. my goal is to change that. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 10:59:44 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RLunyATL:
First 2, check cashed 12/16/17, pending background check early May. Second 2, check cashed 2/4/18, pending background check late June. Finally approved 10/26/18 after getting my congressman's office involved. ETA I'd heard 88 days post flagging on the instant NICS check, thus putting you in "pending background check" status. When I picked up my cans Monday I talked to someone at Quiet Riot @QRFjake who mentioned something about after 90 days it tossed back in the loop. I don't remember details because I was giddy about picking up my cans. Maybe he can chime in. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RLunyATL:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere: Was it 88 days post BGC or post cashing the check? I'm genuinely interested because the time frames are all over the map. Maybe they just started holding delays instead of auto denial? I don't know that answer. ETA I'd heard 88 days post flagging on the instant NICS check, thus putting you in "pending background check" status. When I picked up my cans Monday I talked to someone at Quiet Riot @QRFjake who mentioned something about after 90 days it tossed back in the loop. I don't remember details because I was giddy about picking up my cans. Maybe he can chime in. I have no idea how long it was already Pending BGC when I first called and I didnt even call the last month or so before approval so likely closer to 200 days |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 11:02:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Effenpig]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smithc6:
Denials based on what? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smithc6:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
I have it officially in court documents filed by DOJ on behalf of FBI that the FBI’s official position is no appeals for BGC denials for NFA. my goal is to change that. They're listed on a 4473 |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 12:31:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RLunyATL]
[#20]
Delete
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Posted: 11/11/2018 10:15:19 AM EDT
[#21]
I’ve heard the 88 days thing too. From several places. I’m almost 3x past that time and both my examiners stated I’m not denied, just pending.
my fingers are crossed I get good news this week. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 10:25:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TinyCrumb]
[#22]
Almost every person in this thread that has had the "Pending FBI Background Check" status has sat in that status for well over 88 days (sometimes 3x that amount) and then still eventually gotten approved.
As far as I can remember there has only been one lone report in this thread of someone's BGC getting the auto-delete 88 day treatment. So it's pretty safe to say that whatever purgatory the FBI is using for these, they're finding a way to make sure they don't get the auto delete. The timelines for being in BGC check status (after ATF wait time) still seems to be around an additional 4-8 months, which is putting people who win this wonderful lottery at total wait times or around 8-14 months. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 11:46:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DuneShoot:
Is a NICS not federal? FFL just checks the box for #20 and moves on. As I mentioned, there may be a state/local law that duplicates the BGC, but nothing at the federal level requires it. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 1:34:19 PM EDT
[#24]
When I go to pick up an NFA item I have to fill out a 4473.
In my case I have a CCW so they don't have to call it in. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 1:50:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BigWaylon]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DuneShoot:
When I go to pick up an NFA item I have to fill out a 4473. In my case I have a CCW so they don't have to call it in. They don't have to call it in because they don't have to do a NICS check. The CCW would meet the requirement (in most states) if the NICS was still required...but it's not. I know CO used to require it even with a CCW, but not sure about AZ. But again, there is no NICS for an NFA item if your name is on the F1/F4 either as transferee/maker/RP.   
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Posted: 11/11/2018 2:09:53 PM EDT
[#26]
Got it now, thanks.
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Posted: 11/11/2018 5:06:52 PM EDT
[#27]
I cant find who the congressman is for florida to contact. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2018 6:27:29 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaddyFreddy:
I cant find who the congressman is for florida to contact. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 12:49:07 PM EDT
[#29]
 Attached FileGot it yesterday. Check cashed in December. I had to contact ATF leadership. It was stuck in BGC for like 6 months. Apparently, it wasn’t on the FBI, but ATF not doing their part because BGC was completed for some time |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 1:47:09 PM EDT
[#30]
I blogged about the filing in the NFA appeals case:
http://www.sdslaw.us/single-post/2018/11/12/Do-NICS-appeals-finally-have-a-timeline the filing is attached and you can read the FBI's position that they will not process NFA NICS appeals. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 3:34:54 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
I blogged about the filing in the NFA appeals case: http://www.sdslaw.us/single-post/2018/11/12/Do-NICS-appeals-finally-have-a-timeline the filing is attached and you can read the FBI's position that they will not process NFA NICS appeals. The attorney general will overrule the NICS check? |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 3:48:33 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
I blogged about the filing in the NFA appeals case: http://www.sdslaw.us/single-post/2018/11/12/Do-NICS-appeals-finally-have-a-timeline the filing is attached and you can read the FBI's position that they will not process NFA NICS appeals. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 4:57:38 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors:
So whats the deal with the 60 days then? The attorney general will overrule the NICS check? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
I blogged about the filing in the NFA appeals case: http://www.sdslaw.us/single-post/2018/11/12/Do-NICS-appeals-finally-have-a-timeline the filing is attached and you can read the FBI's position that they will not process NFA NICS appeals. The attorney general will overrule the NICS check? |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 4:58:10 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore:
One of my customers who has been waiting 13 months for 3 machine guns got denied every time I sold him a gun(appeal response was usually received withing 48 hours). 3 years ago OH switched to CCWs bypassing the NICS check so no more problem there for him. I bet he got denied and the FBI is just ignoring him, or would atf let me know the transfer was disapproved? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
I blogged about the filing in the NFA appeals case: http://www.sdslaw.us/single-post/2018/11/12/Do-NICS-appeals-finally-have-a-timeline the filing is attached and you can read the FBI's position that they will not process NFA NICS appeals. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:47:40 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DuneShoot:
Is a NICS not federal? |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 11:01:55 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX: NICS is not required for NFA. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 11:23:29 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig:
Should tell that to the ATF so we all don't keep getting stuck waiting for 6 extra months... 2) NICS is initiated by your FFL, if your FFL is initiating NICS on NFA, fire your FFL and get a new one. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 4:26:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Effenpig]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX: 1) ATF does not run NICS, FBI does. 2) NICS is initiated by your FFL, if your FFL is initiating NICS on NFA, fire your FFL and get a new one. 2. What does that have to do with anything? This thread is about those who get stuck in Pending BGC while the ATF waits for the FBI to clear forms that don't get an instant NICS approval . Yes, we all understand the FBI does the NICS check |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:31:45 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig:
This thread is about those who get stuck in Pending BGC while the ATF waits for the FBI to clear forms that don't get an instant NICS approval . Yes, we all understand the FBI does the NICS check |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:50:16 AM EDT
[#40]
What's going on in West Virginia this morning? Just tried to call twice and got immediate busy signals
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Posted: 11/13/2018 12:02:23 PM EDT
[#41]
I just posted my updates to the tracking thread at the top of this forum. 310 days from mailing to stamps received. Three Form 4 silencers on a trust. Not my first by a long stretch - but first since having the rules changes for fingerprints required.
In short, I submitted in early January this year. As of July, I was already In FBI Background Check status. At the beginning of October, I contacted my TX Senators and Representative. I had some back and forth with a couple of them for a week or so. I did not get a final response from any of them after a couple of weeks. On October 26th, I called the ATF for status again and was told that my FBI background check was back - and they did not know why it had not been picked up to be processed by my examiner - but they would push it on to their desk now. I was approved on Oct 31st - and have received my stamps a couple weeks later. Longest wait for any NFA I have ever experienced. I don't know for sure whether the contact to my congressmen was of help or not - but it did seem all shake loose just three weeks after starting that contact. FWIW |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 12:30:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX: One more time, there is no NICS check for NFA. The ATF does indeed send off for a NICS check at the end of processing for NFA items - the recent complications of which is the subject of this entire thread lol. This has absolutely nothing to do with your individual FFL holder - and yes, there's no reason for individual FFLs to be initiating NICS checks on NFA items. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 12:36:34 PM EDT
[#43]
I called a little over an hour ago and the call went right thru as normal.
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Posted: 11/13/2018 12:43:29 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By randymoore:
I just posted my updates to the tracking thread at the top of this forum. 310 days from mailing to stamps received. Three Form 4 silencers on a trust. Not my first by a long stretch - but first since having the rules changes for fingerprints required. In short, I submitted in early January this year. As of July, I was already In FBI Background Check status. At the beginning of October, I contacted my TX Senators and Representative. I had some back and forth with a couple of them for a week or so. I did not get a final response from any of them after a couple of weeks. On October 26th, I called the ATF for status again and was told that my FBI background check was back - and they did not know why it had not been picked up to be processed by my examiner - but they would push it on to their desk now. I was approved on Oct 31st - and have received my stamps a couple weeks later. Longest wait for any NFA I have ever experienced. I don't know for sure whether the contact to my congressmen was of help or not - but it did seem all shake loose just three weeks after starting that contact. FWIW Quick question, which congress critters office were you working with? I may need to go that route should Cruz office prove unsuccessful. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 12:54:41 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX:
One more time, there is no NICS check for NFA. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX:
Originally Posted By Effenpig:
This thread is about those who get stuck in Pending BGC while the ATF waits for the FBI to clear forms that don't get an instant NICS approval . Yes, we all understand the FBI does the NICS check While the ATF should NOT be conducting a NICS check for NFA registrations, they are. There's zero legal requirement for the ATF to do this. One could argue its needed for the actual transfer, however that could be done just like any other firearm transaction. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 1:12:38 PM EDT
[#46]
PM'd you the information.
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Posted: 11/13/2018 1:25:25 PM EDT
[#47]
Is 260 days since they received my form long enough to contact my shitty reps?
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Posted: 11/13/2018 1:33:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RenegadeX]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
You might want to exit this thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
You might want to exit this thread. My answer, along with BigWaylon, was in response to this initial question: Originally Posted By DuneShoot:
Even after approved for NFA items you have do another BGC before picking it up. That one takes minutes in most cases. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 1:34:43 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fettesbrotde:
You're completely and utterly wrong. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 1:37:17 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX:
You might want to ask Santa for some reading comprehension. My answer, along with BigWaylon, was in response to this question: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
You might want to exit this thread. My answer, along with BigWaylon, was in response to this question: Originally Posted By DuneShoot:
Even after approved for NFA items you have do another BGC before picking it up. That one takes minutes in most cases. |
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