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Posted: 5/31/2023 11:18:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not really tracking accessory shipments right now, but I have heard there are some on the way. They'll sell fast, though. Make sure you're on a wait list with a major dealer. If you have a LGS you support, then have your guy watching RSR. im the one watching RSR. i guess i just have to decide if i can wait or if i should just buy the LMT one that was linked here. theres one left, so i guess i should make up my mind. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 3:42:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Xeno brake is flat out obnoxious on any rifle. I've got one on a 10.5 556 and one on a 12.5 308. If you like a flash bang going off in front of your face every time you pull the trigger, it's the muzzle device for you. I run them on short SBR's for the whole sacrificial baffle thing. I'd never run them on a gun that was primarily unsuppressed. Does it still feel that way even when running them suppressed (flashbang going off) or only when you shoot it without the suppressor? Deciding on something for a 12.5" .308... |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 7:54:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does it still feel that way even when running them suppressed (flashbang going off) or only when you shoot it without the suppressor? No |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 6:14:57 PM EDT
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A break that screws onto the Xeno Xero would be very interesting. Rather then designing a new one, maybe an existing one could be adapted? There's a nut on the end of the Little Bastard brakes that could be removed and then an adapter created between the Xerp and the LBs outer threads?
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Posted: 6/19/2023 5:39:43 AM EDT
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Any updates on adapter availability? My wolfman is getting lonely
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Posted: 6/19/2023 4:00:35 PM EDT
[#6]
Anyone make a slightly longer XENO adapter?
The DA adapter I'm using with my Helios QD Ti isn't quite long enough to keep the DA XENO brake from contacting the first baffle when tightened, but I don't really want to use the 1" extension that comes with the can if I can avoid adding that much extra length. Other option is to swap the DA brakes out for the XENO Zero, but not sure how those'll be without the can, and also not looking forward to removing the brakes since they're well torqued and thread-locked. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 5:26:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone make a slightly longer XENO adapter? The DA adapter I'm using with my Helios QD Ti isn't quite long enough to keep the DA XENO brake from contacting the first baffle when tightened, but I don't really want to use the 1" extension that comes with the can if I can avoid adding that much extra length. Other option is to swap the DA brakes out for the XENO Zero, but not sure how those'll be without the can, and also not looking forward to removing the brakes since they're well torqued and thread-locked. Pretty sure swapping your muzzle device is your only option if you don’t want to use the extension. Besides the zero, dead air has the wee brake. LMT also offers a brake which looks pretty short. None of them will be pleasant without the can but probably better than the zero |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 6:54:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The DA adapter I'm using with my Helios QD Ti isn't quite long enough to keep the DA XENO brake from contacting the first baffle when tightened, but I don't really want to use the 1" extension that comes with the can if I can avoid adding that much extra length. JMO, that CGS extension seems like a bad afterthought. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 7:41:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A break that screws onto the Xeno Xero would be very interesting. Rather then designing a new one, maybe an existing one could be adapted? There's a nut on the end of the Little Bastard brakes that could be removed and then an adapter created between the Xerp and the LBs outer threads? Or just get a Dead Air Pyro with a Xeno adapter. Then you can put it on what ever Xeno equipped rifle you have when you want a brake. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 9:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JMO, that CGS extension seems like a bad afterthought. It’s completely retarded. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 3:59:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: im the one watching RSR. i guess i just have to decide if i can wait or if i should just buy the LMT one that was linked here. theres one left, so i guess i should make up my mind. Another month goes by..... sigh |
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Posted: 6/30/2023 10:15:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or just get a Dead Air Pyro with a Xeno adapter. Then you can put it on what ever Xeno equipped rifle you have when you want a brake. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A break that screws onto the Xeno Xero would be very interesting. Rather then designing a new one, maybe an existing one could be adapted? There's a nut on the end of the Little Bastard brakes that could be removed and then an adapter created between the Xero and the LBs outer threads? Or just get a Dead Air Pyro with a Xeno adapter. Then you can put it on what ever Xeno equipped rifle you have when you want a brake. Does the Pyro have the same level of recoil reduction as the LB, Hellfire, MDT Comp Brake, etc? |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 6:53:14 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not really tracking accessory shipments right now, but I have heard there are some on the way. They'll sell fast, though. Make sure you're on a wait list with a major dealer. If you have a LGS you support, then have your guy watching RSR. Are these still on the way? It's been 3 months now with no xeno adapters at any retailers. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 7:31:17 PM EDT
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I was also like to know where the DA455s are. I think I prefer it over the LMT mount I have.
I'm assuming if these aren't available, don't even ask about dead air tri lug adapters for the wolfman? This is getting tiring. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 8:00:01 PM EDT
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Sooo, how long have NoX Xeno mounts been out? Just ordered one from Bauer.
https://sonsoflibertygw.com/sons-of-liberty-gun-works-nox-available-in-xeno-mount/ |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 8:09:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sooo, how long have NoX Xeno mounts been out? Just ordered one from Bauer. https://sonsoflibertygw.com/sons-of-liberty-gun-works-nox-available-in-xeno-mount/ They’ve been out for a bit. I was thinking about buying one and having the tines machined off to make a Wee Brake since neither Dead Air or LMT can deliver one. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 10:20:16 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ve been out for a bit. I was thinking about buying one and having the tines machined off to make a Wee Brske since neither Dead Air or LMT can deliver one. I like the NOX design. I run several for my Sandman-S. It’s nice to have another option for Xeno though. Hoping Blackout Defense offers them up soon, in their “hybrid” style. Pretty much all of my Xeno mount guns aren’t dedicated suppressed, so a quality muzzle device is appealing to me. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 9:58:08 PM EDT
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I received my Xeno Nox last week and boy is it pretty. I like the DA brake but without the can on it's a blaster. Keep the gun pretty flat but it's loud. Going to put the Nox on a different upper and see how they compare.
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Posted: 7/9/2023 11:27:12 PM EDT
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The lack of availability of Xeno adapters is getting frustratiing.
My Nomad 30 is still in jail, I'm just wanting to get my mounting options squared away. I'm thinking about looking at an Atlas adapter and Plan B compatible muzzle devices. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 5:19:17 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The lack of availability of Xeno adapters is getting frustratiing. My Nomad 30 is still in jail, I'm just wanting to get my mounting options squared away. I'm thinking about looking at an Atlas adapter and Plan B compatible muzzle devices. What's wrong with the one from DA? I bet if enough of us ask, ECCO will make one. They are the best IMO. I use their plan B adapters over Q. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:45:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's wrong with the one from DA? I bet if enough of us ask, ECCO will make one. They are the best IMO. I use their plan B adapters over Q. What's wrong is they haven't been available for half a year lol. Would be great if ECCO, FCD, or literally anyone made a xeno adapter at this point. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:13:00 PM EDT
[#22]
Oh wow, I had no idea. They were plentiful when they first came out.
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Posted: 7/14/2023 8:51:19 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The lack of availability of Xeno adapters is getting frustratiing. My Nomad 30 is still in jail, I'm just wanting to get my mounting options squared away. I'm thinking about looking at an Atlas adapter and Plan B compatible muzzle devices. Silencer shop has them in stock. |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 9:08:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Silencer shop has them in stock. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The lack of availability of Xeno adapters is getting frustratiing. My Nomad 30 is still in jail, I'm just wanting to get my mounting options squared away. I'm thinking about looking at an Atlas adapter and Plan B compatible muzzle devices. Silencer shop has them in stock. Nope. They've got a legacy pistol adapter (whatever that is) but not a HUB compatible adapter. |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 7:38:05 PM EDT
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Make sure to drop a line in the ECCO thread once and while. If enough of us request, he will eventually make one. Can’t be hard, other than the reverse threads.
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Posted: 7/17/2023 1:07:36 AM EDT
[#26]
I made my own xeno 240f style device a while back, havent gotten around to designing or applying for a 308 can to use it with yet.
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Posted: 7/17/2023 9:16:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/18/2023 8:27:53 PM EDT
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I pulled up my model, which was just based on a single sample I measured, and the angle is definitely 12° per side. The thread pitch is 20tpi and the pitch diameter is .976, but the threads are truncated a lot with a 1.02 OD. It's possible I just compared with the sample part when I mic'd the new threads and the model had placeholder dimensions that aren't definitive. YMMV.
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Posted: 7/18/2023 10:19:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/19/2023 12:28:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I pulled up my model, which was just based on a single sample I measured, and the angle is definitely 12° per side. The thread pitch is 20tpi and the pitch diameter is .976, but the threads are truncated a lot with a 1.02 OD. It's possible I just compared with the sample part when I mic'd the new threads and the model had placeholder dimensions that aren't definitive. YMMV. That's a beautiful looking device. Make sure your blast chamber is long enough and note that you could be supplying some really focused erosive forces between those tines the closer it gets to the blast baffle. I'm not confirming reverse engineering specs here, so I appreciate nobody asking. It's also good to note that whenever someone fabricates their own muzzle devices (or non-licensed ones for sale) they're guaranteeing a voided warranty for the customer of whatever brand they're dealing with. I'm not trying to poo poo on any parades, but you wouldn't believe some of the weird stuff that manufacturers see out there. |
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Posted: 7/19/2023 2:06:49 AM EDT
[#31]
I believe you.
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Posted: 7/19/2023 5:41:42 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I made my own xeno 240f style device a while back, havent gotten around to designing or applying for a 308 can to use it with yet. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787767384521703435/1130364696751517716/1508319421076492294-img1.jpg That’s pretty; thanks for sharing. |
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Posted: 7/19/2023 7:08:20 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Make sure your blast chamber is long enough and note that you could be supplying some really focused erosive forces between those tines the closer it gets to the blast baffle. Interesting note that I'm looking forward to testing. I'm using a keymo adapter and factory 3 prong on an 11.5 SBR with an F1 can, with an inconel baffle fairly close to the prongs. Conventional wisdom among my friends is to use a brake sacrificially/to deflect the blast from the blast baffle but I've had surprisingly negligible wear. I check it a lot expecting erosion due to the forces you mentioned. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 12:31:03 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting note that I'm looking forward to testing. I'm using a keymo adapter and factory 3 prong on an 11.5 SBR with an F1 can, with an inconel baffle fairly close to the prongs. Conventional wisdom among my friends is to use a brake sacrificially/to deflect the blast from the blast baffle but I've had surprisingly negligible wear. I check it a lot expecting erosion due to the forces you mentioned. I’d love to see that posted in the blast baffle thread. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 2:36:15 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not trying to poo poo on any parades, but you wouldn't believe some of the weird stuff that manufacturers see out there. Oh the irony. When are more xeno hub mounts hitting the market? Some of us have been patiently waiting. I bought an lmt one, but I like the dead air one better. |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 5:11:40 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh the irony. When are more xeno hub mounts hitting the market? Some of us have been patiently waiting. I bought an lmt one, but I like the dead air one better. what didn't you like about the LMT one as much? |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 7:17:51 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh the irony. When are more xeno hub mounts hitting the market? Some of us have been patiently waiting. I bought an lmt one, but I like the dead air one better. Sorry if this is a repost. I had a response written out and submitted, but I think it got lost in the ether... We've actually had some come in and go out. I'm not sure which wholesaler got them, though. We have some more coming in, and then a steady supply behind that. It'll take a couple more months to get things really rolling in. We have our own building now where we run some operations out of, including all accessories and webstore sales. It takes time to get as many skus as we have in stock, but these are a priority. |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 10:22:30 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry if this is a repost. I had a response written out and submitted, but I think it got lost in the ether... We've actually had some come in and go out. I'm not sure which wholesaler got them, though. We have some more coming in, and then a steady supply behind that. It'll take a couple more months to get things really rolling in. We have our own building now where we run some operations out of, including all accessories and webstore sales. It takes time to get as many skus as we have in stock, but these are a priority. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh the irony. When are more xeno hub mounts hitting the market? Some of us have been patiently waiting. I bought an lmt one, but I like the dead air one better. Sorry if this is a repost. I had a response written out and submitted, but I think it got lost in the ether... We've actually had some come in and go out. I'm not sure which wholesaler got them, though. We have some more coming in, and then a steady supply behind that. It'll take a couple more months to get things really rolling in. We have our own building now where we run some operations out of, including all accessories and webstore sales. It takes time to get as many skus as we have in stock, but these are a priority. Appreciate the information. I look forward to having an easier time finding these down the road. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 8:11:15 PM EDT
[#39]
@Mageever are we ever going to see a 3 prong xeno?
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Posted: 7/22/2023 8:27:51 PM EDT
[#40]
Does keymo vs Xeno affect back pressure of a suppressor in any way?
I’m running keymo currently on my Sierra 5 with an 11.5” BCM and it is pretty gassy. I would like to switch to Xeno but not if it will make the back pressure worse. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 11:32:08 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Mageever are we ever going to see a 3 prong xeno? I can't say. (Although it was definitely hinted at in an IG Live video a while back) |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 11:33:15 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does keymo vs Xeno affect back pressure of a suppressor in any way? I’m running keymo currently on my Sierra 5 with an 11.5” BCM and it is pretty gassy. I would like to switch to Xeno but not if it will make the back pressure worse. I’ve run KeyMo and Xeno on my M4-2000 and noticed no difference. They both use taper seals and the idea is to not have any gas leak. It’s gassy either way on my MK18. But a BRT gas tube will definitely help. In theory, maybe the Xeno would be less since the device doesn’t sit as far forward in the blast chamber. But the user will not be able to tell in my experience. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 11:33:54 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does keymo vs Xeno affect back pressure of a suppressor in any way? I’m running keymo currently on my Sierra 5 with an 11.5” BCM and it is pretty gassy. I would like to switch to Xeno but not if it will make the back pressure worse. There's not enough difference between the two to notice. It's good to note that the backpressure pulse of the Sierra 5 is really short, so sometimes minor changes like buffer weight or gas block adjustments have a good effect. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:56:01 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's not enough difference between the two to notice. It's good to note that the backpressure pulse of the Sierra 5 is really short, so sometimes minor changes like buffer weight or gas block adjustments have a good effect. I am running a Centurion 11.5” FBI barrel, enhanced spring, and H3 buffer. I just ordered an LMT enhanced carrier and that should take the gun a bit. Interesting to see you bring up the back pressure pulse. My SCAR 16 SBR with the factory 10.5” barrel assembly does not like the Sierra 5 at all, even with several different gas screw combos. I had to switch back to my RC2. Sierra 5 made the cycling extremely harsh and I started to get brass spin back every 3-4 rounds with PMC Bronze. It ran with the KNS DiSCARder but you could tell it had to vent off a lottttt of excess gas. It’s a shame because I really liked how the Sierra 5 looks and sounds on the SCAR 16. Was orevoilsmy running fine when I had an 11.5” chopped barrel on the gun. Other than that, I have had great luck with my Sierra 5. Well over 2,000 rounds now and still holding up great. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:36:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what didn't you like about the LMT one as much? i thought it was shorter than the regular one. so i figured id give it a shot. its barely shorter. id rather have the OEM one with generous wrench flats. i run burn proof covers and the OEM xeno mount is long enough to have some of the wrench flats still exposed in case i need to get a wrench on it from over tightening. burn proof covers cinch off the rear of the can (to avoid sliding off). what i should do is rob the xeno mount off my nomad L and put it on my sierra 5 (which has the LMT mount) when i get it back for warranty. i just dont care enough to make the time. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 4:45:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't say. (Although it was definitely hinted at in an IG Live video a while back) While you’re answering these type of questions, how about a xeno blast diffuser? |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 4:58:36 PM EDT
[#47]
You can always get one of these. Eta: I think somwone makes a HUB bast shield, but I don’t remember who. Rex, maybe.
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Posted: 7/27/2023 9:33:06 PM EDT
[#48]
Willfire and JMAC make HUB blast diffusers.
AAC has a really nice one, but I’ve not confirmed that it works with all 1.375” adapters, or just their own. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 10:51:31 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Willfire and JMAC make HUB blast diffusers. AAC has a really nice one, but I’ve not confirmed that it works with all 1.375” adapters, or just their own. lets not forget the coolest virginians on the planet! https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/hansohn-brothers/accessories/mounts-and-pistons/hansohn-blast-diverter/ |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 11:42:47 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lets not forget the coolest virginians on the planet! https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/hansohn-brothers/accessories/mounts-and-pistons/hansohn-blast-diverter/  |
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