Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
BCM
User Panel

Site Notices
Posted: 4/11/2018 1:49:48 PM EDT
Been looking at the HiTorque 3990 as a hobby shop mill, want a table top that doesn't take up a lot of space. The price last week was $895 plus shipping....back up to $995 this week (tariff effect?)

https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3990&category=1387807683

Features I prefer: R8, non-tilt (rigid neck), brush-less motor, pulley drive, gas strut etc.

Appears that LMS is the sole source for the mill...are there other sources for HiTorque products?

Thanks
Link Posted: 4/11/2018 2:49:25 PM EDT
[#1]
I started to go down the mill purchase route last year and put the purchase on hold for now. As I understand most of the various mill offerings are variations of SIEG X2 X3.

Grizzly has a number of offerings.

Just some general thoughts, the LMS you mention seems to be well liked by owners for light work. If you wanted to go to the next level Precision Matthews would be the next choice. I am going to post up some random links from my bookmarks that may be useful. I can post more but there is a lot of info below.

http://www.gunco.net/forums/183-tool-shed/71891-sieg-x2-mini-mill.html

http://www.fignoggle.com/machines/x3mill/index.htm

http://www.mini-lathe.com/mini_mill/reviews/sieg_sx2/sx2.htm

https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/5783-a-review-of-a-mini-mill-from-little-machine-shop/

http://www.yuriystoys.com/2013/03/first-impressions-from-sieg-x3-mill.html

https://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/121899-just-got-hitorque-mini-mill.html

Link for PM stuff here
Link Posted: 4/11/2018 3:24:11 PM EDT
[#2]
The largest driver in use is clearance from tool to table.
It is not hard to produce a decent height stack of vices and other equipment on the table.
Say some rotary mounting with a vice on top and maybe even another rotary holding device or even a flat and a sine bar setup on that.
Link Posted: 4/11/2018 3:30:53 PM EDT
[#3]
I have a grizzly 8689, which is the same as the Harbor Freight and many others out there, Seig is one of the larger Chinese manufactures of small machines in the world and for the most part these days, their stuff is not bad, I have upgraded my mill with the pulley system, DRO's and the air spring conversion and am quite happy with it, on these smaller mills a DRO set up is a must or you are always guessing because of the backlash they all seem to have.

I bought my lathe and my mill used from a Craiglist ad and got a lot of tooling with both of them for less than a thousand dollars and with the few upgrades I have done, I still have not got $1500 in both of them, I upgraded my lathe so I can do barrel work and put a DRO on it as well.

I am happy with both of them and do a lot more than just guns on them, I also do parts for restoring old boats from the 50's and 60's so they work out great.
Link Posted: 4/11/2018 5:16:59 PM EDT
[#4]
Link Posted: 4/11/2018 5:20:08 PM EDT
[#5]
Yep...it appears that SIEG makes just about all of the mills/lathes for various sellers including the LMS group.  Want to keep my purchase at no more than $1000. One advantage of buying a used one is that it might come with some tooling considering a decent mill vise can sell for $500 alone.  95% of it's use would be auto related (street rods) the remainder firearms related work.

Have had real good luck buying used PEXTO metal brakes and shears...well built US stuff.  Have a Rockwell lathe with taper attachment that I use a bunch for making car parts. I'll keep looking...
Link Posted: 4/11/2018 7:48:27 PM EDT
[#6]
Place holder for now.  I have had an LMS for about 5 years now.  I like it, but in all honesty, the actual mill price can (and will if you use it) be 1/3 or less than your total investment by the time you get enough tooling, work holding and measuring instruments needed to do much.

I'll post more later. Just a teaser pic for now.

Attachment Attached File


ETA:
Link to My LMS Thread
Link Posted: 4/11/2018 9:42:40 PM EDT
[#7]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
Place holder for now.  I have had an LMS for about 5 years now.  I like it, but in all honesty, the actual mill price can (and will if you use it) be 1/3 or less than your total investment by the time you get enough tooling, work holding and measuring instruments needed to do much.

I'll post more later. Just a teaser pic for now.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/89127/VZM-512124.JPG
View Quote
I agree 110%, the cost of entry is not the prohibitive factor when you start playing with machines, the tooling if you are not prepared will kill ya.  I had to buy 3 new 3/8" carbides last week and those 3 bits were just about a hundred bucks, so shop around and make sure you get the best bang for your buck.
Link Posted: 4/11/2018 9:53:14 PM EDT
[#8]
I'm not too bad off with measuring equipment via my lathe unit and have a "bunch" of various new carbide bits, fly cutters, small milling vise etc that were given to me.

Here is the LMS comparison chart:

https://littlemachineshop.com/info/minimill_compare.php
Link Posted: 4/11/2018 9:56:38 PM EDT
[#9]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
I'm not too bad off with measuring equipment via my lathe unit and have a "bunch" of various new carbide bits, fly cutters, small milling vise etc that were given to me.

Here is the LMS comparison chart:

https://littlemachineshop.com/info/minimill_compare.php
View Quote
Read that chart a few times over the last couple of years, in fact, just got confirmation from then tonight that the order I put in has now shipped, they get way to much of my money!

Link Posted: 4/11/2018 10:03:06 PM EDT
[#10]
Got a harbor freight about 2 or three years ago with the 25% coupon. Does what I need done. I’m a tinkerer and hobbyist. Milled out six or eight lowers with it and some other stuff.
Link Posted: 4/12/2018 1:59:06 PM EDT
[#11]
Link Posted: 4/12/2018 3:09:37 PM EDT
[#12]
While the cost is a third more, you would be getting twice the machine if you purchased a PM-25mv

If your shop space is limited as is your budget I say buy once/cry once and then enjoy what you have gotten. Even the LMS version - which is the pinnacle of the X2 configurations will still have the limits of the X2 work envelope and rigidity and power issues.

I have an X3 I bought back in 2003. It suffers greatly from the common Chicom practice of making the castings as thin as possible to save material and shipping weight. The column can move (deflect) alot because the top surface of the base casting is soo thin.

The PM25 is such a better design because it yields the best rigidity per pound and is far better than the Grizzly G0704.
Link Posted: 4/12/2018 3:44:21 PM EDT
[#13]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:

Read that chart a few times over the last couple of years, in fact, just got confirmation from then tonight that the order I put in has now shipped, they get way to much of my money!

View Quote
@DaveP1 what did you buy now?
Link Posted: 4/12/2018 3:53:40 PM EDT
[#14]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:

@DaveP1 what did you buy now?
View Quote
I needed a new lathe chuck and some replacement bellows, some new bits, some new tooling for the lathe.

I have modified my lathe so I can work on barrels up to about 12" and have had to build some custom parts so I can do barrel cutting as well as threading.

By the looks I got from my wife, I am sure she is of the opinion I have lost my mind!

Link Posted: 4/17/2018 9:20:53 PM EDT
[#15]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Quoted:
While the cost is a third more, you would be getting twice the machine if you purchased a PM-25mv
View Quote
This is the route I went,  last November.  Back and forth between LMS and Grizzly. Got my eye on the PM and couldn't look away.
Close Join Our Mail List to Stay Up To Date! Win a FREE Membership!

Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!

You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.


By signing up you agree to our User Agreement. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win.
Top Top