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Posted: 7/21/2020 9:13:46 PM EDT
[#1]
There were 620 of the IV this afternoon at 1:00 when I bought mine.
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Posted: 7/21/2020 9:46:35 PM EDT
[#2]
Thanks OP
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Posted: 7/21/2020 10:13:35 PM EDT
[#3]
Done....412 Left
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Posted: 7/21/2020 10:34:07 PM EDT
[#4]
How does this armor hold up to rounds hitting the edge? I was going to order some rma 1155 but man they are over 8 lbs from the specs I read.
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Posted: 7/21/2020 10:46:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does this armor hold up to rounds hitting the edge? I was going to order some rma 1155 but man they are over 8 lbs from the specs I read. Based on some of the you tube reviews it seems to hold up well, no 100 percent sure. I am really thinking about it after waffling on picking up armor over the last few months looking the botach plates as well although shipping seems to be all over the place for those in true botach style. I know Mrgunsngear's test got exceptional performance from his lvl 3 plate but I am a bit skeptical that it's performance will be consistent. Anyone want to talk me out of this? |
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Posted: 7/21/2020 11:09:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on some of the you tube reviews it seems to hold up well, no 100 percent sure. I am really thinking about it after waffling on picking up armor over the last few months looking the botach plates as well although shipping seems to be all over the place for those in true botach style. I know Mrgunsngear's test got exceptional performance from his lvl 3 plate but I am a bit skeptical that it's performance will be consistent. Anyone want to talk me out of this? Thats the thing. I want to get some but I don’t know. I kind of want nij certified. Rma has 1155 that are certified but are heavier. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 12:02:26 AM EDT
[#7]
what's a good plate carrier that will fit these????
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Posted: 7/22/2020 5:53:34 AM EDT
[#8]
I will PayPal @Buffman_LT1 the $95 if he buys one and shoots it, and puts the video at the top of the production list
 Calling Buffman_LT1, please pick up the White Courtesy Phone.
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Posted: 7/22/2020 8:36:29 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I will PayPal @Buffman_LT1 the $95 if he buys one and shoots it, and puts the video at the top of the production list Calling Buffman_LT1, please pick up the White Courtesy Phone.There’s video on the pages of them being shot with 223 and 308 |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 10:25:05 AM EDT
[#10]
Of course these are back in stock after I just ordered some of the AR500 plates last week just to have in the truck
 Cant even cancel because theyve already been shipped |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 10:44:49 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course these are back in stock after I just ordered some of the AR500 plates last week just to have in the truck Cant even cancel because theyve already been shipped I bought a set of LAPG level 3 plates a month after I ordered plates (im stock) from BOTACH The LAPG plates were delivered a week later BOTACH charged my card on June 4th and i've gotten nothing. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 11:53:33 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course these are back in stock after I just ordered some of the AR500 plates last week just to have in the truck Cant even cancel because theyve already been shipped Just put the AR500 plates up for sale in the EE, I'm sure there is someone out there that would buy them because they don't want to wait for some. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 11:57:57 AM EDT
[#13]
What the heck, ordered set for the wife.
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Posted: 7/22/2020 12:13:36 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just put the AR500 plates up for sale in the EE, I'm sure there is someone out there that would buy them because they don't want to wait for some. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Of course these are back in stock after I just ordered some of the AR500 plates last week just to have in the truck Cant even cancel because theyve already been shipped Just put the AR500 plates up for sale in the EE, I'm sure there is someone out there that would buy them because they don't want to wait for some. True. Im sure the S/H would be great  At only a 1.2lb difference between the Level III and Level IV, is there any reason to go with the IIIs here? |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 1:02:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. Im sure the S/H would be great At only a 1.2lb difference between the Level III and Level IV, is there any reason to go with the IIIs here? I am wondering the same thing. The IIIs are an eighth thinner. But that's hardly a reason to go with III |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 1:28:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am wondering the same thing. The IIIs are an eighth thinner. But that's hardly a reason to go with III Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: True. Im sure the S/H would be great At only a 1.2lb difference between the Level III and Level IV, is there any reason to go with the IIIs here? I am wondering the same thing. The IIIs are an eighth thinner. But that's hardly a reason to go with III This as well. Im sure the extra 2.4lbs with going with the IVs can add up quickly, but if you dont have a ton of stuff on your PC, wouldnt having the IVs be a better bet in the long run? |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 2:48:35 PM EDT
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2.4lbs is a pretty big difference for old peoples like me, but if I was young, I would not have a given a second thought
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Posted: 7/22/2020 3:02:29 PM EDT
[#18]
I know squat about body armor, but I want some.
Everyone recommends Esstac plate carriers, but they’re OOS. What’s a good carrier for these plates? |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 3:29:47 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2.4lbs is a pretty big difference for old peoples like me I'm an "old peoples" too but I'm not all that concerned with plate weight as my primary usage is for defending my castle in a mainly static environment. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 4:01:42 PM EDT
[#20]
How do these compare to RMA lvl IV? Was just about to order those.
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Posted: 7/22/2020 4:16:13 PM EDT
[#21]
2.4 pounds is 2 more full ar mags
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Posted: 7/22/2020 4:32:24 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know squat about body armor, but I want some. Everyone recommends Esstac plate carriers, but they’re OOS. What’s a good carrier for these plates? Look at the 90+ page plate carrier thread. Lots of good recommendations. Having said that I have a Shellback that I’m happy with. Most carriers will state what size and cut plates will fit. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 4:36:47 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2.4 pounds is 2 more full ar mags So the question is with these plates..more protection or 2 more mags? Can always put more mags on a belt to distribute the weight? D60 in the rifle and you dont have to worry about it
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Posted: 7/22/2020 6:02:48 PM EDT
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What's with the odd size? 9.85 x 11.8? I guess that's a 10 x 12-ish? I assume a 10x12 PC will fit. For PCs that come in SAPI sizes, would you go with a medium?
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Posted: 7/22/2020 6:17:24 PM EDT
[#25]
I FO'd. Already have a set of RMA III+ but wanted a set of level IV for circumstances where I feel like the tradeoff in weight is worth it. These aren't too heavy, and the price is right.
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Posted: 7/22/2020 8:44:26 PM EDT
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It's interesting to see that there's plenty still left, especially the Level IIIs. It looks like we may have reached the "plateau" of the body armor demand.
And for new comers, who are looking for plate carriers; Yes, the big name brands such as, Spiritus, Crye, Ferro Concepts, etc. are all out of stock, but if you look around there are plenty others, such as Condor (Made in USA line), Grey Ghost, Beez Tactical, ATS tactical etc. Some of them are made to order, and you'd still have to give them about a month lead time, but at least it's made in the USA by Americans. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 10:10:47 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's interesting to see that there's plenty still left, especially the Level IIIs. It looks like we may have reached the "plateau" of the body armor demand. And for new comers, who are looking for plate carriers; Yes, the big name brands such as, Spritus, Crye, Ferro Concepts, etc. are all out of stock, but if you look around there are plenty others, such as Condor (Made in USA line), Grey Ghost, Beez Tactical, ATS tactical etc. Some of them are made to order, and you'd still have to give them about a month lead time, but at least it's made in the USA by Americans. They sold over 400 plates in a little over 24 hours. And they are no name plates with like 1 positive YouTube video backing them. Anyways I got my shipping notice the same day i ordered. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 10:36:21 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's video on the pages of them being shot with 223 and 308 @mickdonaldson what one do you want me to test? If you make the donation, I'll shoot it, and push it to the top of the list. There's likely no way I'd get them this weekend so the net opportunity to shoot may be 1-2 weeks out. LAPG Level III LAPG IV |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 10:54:48 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With no chrono involved, so you don't know what they're shooting. @mickdonaldson what one do you want me to test? If you make the donation, I'll shoot it, and push it to the top of the list. There's likely no way I'd get them this weekend so the net opportunity to shoot may be 1-2 weeks out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's video on the pages of them being shot with 223 and 308 @mickdonaldson what one do you want me to test? If you make the donation, I'll shoot it, and push it to the top of the list. There's likely no way I'd get them this weekend so the net opportunity to shoot may be 1-2 weeks out. I’ll chip in $25 towards a good M855 vs level III test. Surely we can get some more contributors. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 11:32:32 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll chip in $25 towards a good M855 vs level III test. Surely we can get some more contributors.  proof1 by Buffman RANGE, on Flickr
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Posted: 7/23/2020 6:32:03 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With no chrono involved, so you don't know what they're shooting. @mickdonaldson what one do you want me to test? If you make the donation, I'll shoot it, and push it to the top of the list. There's likely no way I'd get them this weekend so the net opportunity to shoot may be 1-2 weeks out. LAPG Level III LAPG IV You da man. Level III for me, personally, with M855 and M855A1 out of 10"-16". Edit: Money sent! Thanks bruddah! |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 7:00:01 AM EDT
[#32]
Various, from above:
Getting out of the way that NIJ Certified is never wrong, so if your threat model/risk assessment includes that, don't get these, I.... 1. Went with the Level III's last month at $94.99, based on Mike's video (mrgunsngear). M2 AP may still kill you, but it won't be by a hole - and that's an unlikely threat anyway. 2. They weigh 5.2lbs ea. on my scale. My AR500.com Level III+ ALSC Build Up's weigh 6.8lbs ea. I'm 52 and have an 'Advanced' WILKS score on the Powerlifting Platform, but 10.4lbs vs 13.6lbs is a HUGE difference (and don't forget to add water weight ) Because I train, I also used to be one of those "eh, I'm in shape, what's a couple pounds?" guys - not any more. YMMV.3. I have 2 carriers, one a Minimalist PC designed for 10x12 (A copy of the Grey Ghost Gear Minimalist - those were OOS for months, so had to look elsewhere), and a Templar's Gear (Poland) Crusader ROC, size L due to Cumberbund, designed for SAPI L. The fit inside the Minimalist PC was TIGHT, tight tight - took a few minutes to get in. The fit on the TG was "slide right in" so I'd call it a smidge "loose". But with the way the bottom flap velcro's, they get snugged right to the top, and are held perfectly on the bottom. You can feel maybe an 1/8th to a 1/4" of space on the sides, and the angle cut - but it is centered and fine. All PC's are different, so that's the best I can provide on how they fit in my two pockets. |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 10:34:18 AM EDT
[#33]
I'll chip in $30 each for level III, and level IV, sending you PM for payment info.
Edit: Test funds sent! |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 11:03:50 AM EDT
[#34]
I'll chip in $10, if you can shoot it with M855 at close range. Send a PayPal address.
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Posted: 7/23/2020 11:43:26 AM EDT
[#35]
Still need funds? I'd like to see M855A1 vs the lvl IV
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Posted: 7/23/2020 11:49:35 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still need funds? I'd like to see M855A1 vs the lvl IV Quote HistoryQuoted: Still need funds? I'd like to see M855A1 vs the lvl IV Quoted: I'll chip in $10, if you can shoot it with M855 at close range. Send a PayPal address. |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 3:04:55 PM EDT
[#37]
@buffman_LT1 I’ll throw in a few bucks too, very interested in seeing how the level III perform. Shoot me your payment info. Thanks!
I’m also interested in how much foam is surrounding the plate vs the actually protective area. |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 3:40:47 PM EDT
[#38]
I got shipping notification on my plates.
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Posted: 7/23/2020 5:43:57 PM EDT
[#39]
I was gonna grab a set of the IV’s since I already have a pair of the III’s but there’s only 1 IV left
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Posted: 7/23/2020 6:09:21 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was gonna grab a set of the IV’s since I already have a pair of the III’s but there’s only 1 IV left Check again, my friend. Showing 160 in stock for me at the moment. |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 6:11:19 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was gonna grab a set of the IV’s since I already have a pair of the III’s but there’s only 1 IV left @jerz_subbie I was just on there and they were showing 160 Earlier today they showed out of stock People cancellation orders? Payments not going thru? Who knows but their stock level keeps changing up and down |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 6:14:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Haha I literally just looked 10min before that post. Whatever, I’ll take it. Thanks for the heads up!
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Posted: 7/23/2020 6:39:39 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure. From 22" barrel? to try to keep each test consistent, 45' is my test distance for rifle armor. 5.56 loads always get the 22" barrel, so we'll likely see 3115 fps from it :D Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Still need funds? I'd like to see M855A1 vs the lvl IV Quoted: I'll chip in $10, if you can shoot it with M855 at close range. Send a PayPal address. $20 sent. Do you typically use a 22" barrel? I feel like any incoming M855A1 is going to come from <= 16" barrels, IMO. But if it handles it from 22" that would be a big thumbs up! |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 9:40:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $20 sent. Do you typically use a 22" barrel? I feel like any incoming M855A1 is going to come from <= 16" barrels, IMO. But if it handles it from 22" that would be a big thumbs up! |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 9:58:20 PM EDT
[#45]
I ordered a set of level IVs...site showed plenty in stock (still showed 139 tonight)...then I got a shipping email that one is shipping and the other is on backorder. WTF am I supposed to do with one plate?
 I will give them a call in the morning and try to get it straightened out.
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Posted: 7/23/2020 10:28:16 PM EDT
[#46]
Probably a dupe but anyway..Check out gunsandgear on YouTube. I think its a good choice for budget plates for sure. He shoots the shit out both level 3 and 4. Even 3006 AP. I think the level 3 is a killer choice but I may buy both and run the 4's up front if it doesn't throw off the balance.
Level 3= He shoots it with M855 with a 10.5 inch and 16 inch barrel and handles it. https://youtu.be/WYLvtrxZxcs Level 4= He shoots it with M855 with a 10.5 inch and 16 inch barrel and handles it. https://youtu.be/W9-_6envfiE |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 5:57:05 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I use a 22" barrel unless I have doubts as to whether a plate can stop the load at what you would call "maximum potential". In the case with the RMA 1092, RMA wasn't confident in it's ability to stop M855a1 and so I started with the 10.5". Based on Mike's test of the LAPG III, I have full confidence that M855A1 at 3100+ will get stopped :D But we shall see! If you get a pass-through with M855A1 at 22", please drop to 16" for a second shot. You'd know best, but how does M80A1 compare to M2 AP? That seems to kill anything under Level IV, no matter what. |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 10:36:01 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you get a pass-through with M855A1 at 22", please drop to 16" for a second shot. You'd know best, but how does M80A1 compare to M2 AP? That seems to kill anything under Level IV, no matter what. |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 10:37:25 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M80A1 has speed, but for whatever reason they made the steel tip "softer" than M855A1. M855A1 tips at about 59-60 RHC, but M80A1, is 49-52 RHC, where M855 steel penetrator is. M80A1's design I think lends itself to better penetration of ceramics (exposed tip), but M2AP has the hardness factor working in it's favor. Ideally I wish I could get my hands on the Lehigh defense exposed tungsten rounds as those would definitely change up thing. But I'm not a special gov't entity :( Rrrrrrroger! Thank you, Sir! |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 4:26:34 PM EDT
[#50]
Just a fyi, I ordered some plates and they shipped the following day. Wasnt expecting that
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