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Posted: 1/17/2019 7:32:13 AM EDT
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Link Very similar to the KSG except single tube so it only holds 7 rounds of 3”. Knocks off almost a pound and the action is easier to cycle. Cary handle/open sight is removable for an optics rail. This has me super excited depending on price. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 8:43:17 AM EDT
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In for more details and the eventual disappointment.
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Posted: 1/17/2019 9:40:38 AM EDT
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This has me super excited depending on price. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 11:55:53 AM EDT
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Less than 500$ when everything settles will be an awesome price.
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Posted: 1/17/2019 12:14:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2019 1:17:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's not how dupe's work, this is a technical forum not GD.
ETA: I'm sure you probably know that, I assume it just popped up in the feed. Here's something useful from that thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh9AguVzdP8 |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 3:24:14 PM EDT
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I have a KSG, but will buy one of these as well, once they are actually available. I actually like the idea of the carry handle with FO sight in it. Sling it and done!
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Posted: 1/17/2019 3:38:19 PM EDT
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Has anyone else looked at the KS7 and thought "that would be fun to hack into a semi-auto and take Aguila mini-12 only"? No? Just me?
Okay, then. 
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Posted: 1/17/2019 4:25:28 PM EDT
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Has anyone else looked at the KS7 and thought "that would be fun to hack into a semi-auto and take Aguila mini-12 only"? No? Just me? Okay, then. |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 4:39:30 PM EDT
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Am I the only one whose interest is mainly spurred by it looking so sci fi?
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Posted: 1/17/2019 4:56:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are not the only one. Quote HistoryQuoted: You are not the only one. ETA: Yeah, locking system for sure... to handle the Aguila minishell slugs, the bolt would need to be around five pounds. Quoted:
Am I the only one whose interest is mainly spurred by it looking so sci fi? |
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Posted: 1/17/2019 5:04:01 PM EDT
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Shotguns are low-pressure.
mini-shells make even less gas Gonna need a pretty big piston projected area to get it to cycle. Also gotta save room for the action spring(s) and probably add some buffering. I suppose you could go with an annular piston (930, 1100) or a dual piston (versamax) and stuff it right up near the chamber. Add a gas valve so you could run different loads without beating it up. Or with the Versamax setup, open up more holes closer to the breach for the shorter shells. 
Not saying it can't be done, just that I would want to do some calculations first. I don't even know what kind of pressure curve you would get from the mini shells. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 2:19:16 AM EDT
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I'm very excited for the KS7, I really like the sight channel / carry handle combo, and with an expected street price of $350-$400 once supply catches up, its easy to justify purchasing one.
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Posted: 1/18/2019 10:13:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Shotguns are low-pressure. mini-shells make even less gas Gonna need a pretty big piston projected area to get it to cycle. Also gotta save room for the action spring(s) and probably add some buffering. I suppose you could go with an annular piston (930, 1100) or a dual piston (versamax) and stuff it right up near the chamber. Add a gas valve so you could run different loads without beating it up. Or with the Versamax setup, open up more holes closer to the breach for the shorter shells. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/versa_port-tfb.jpeg Not saying it can't be done, just that I would want to do some calculations first. I don't even know what kind of pressure curve you would get from the mini shells. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 10:28:08 AM EDT
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Same, just brainstorming at this point. My fallback plan is to machine a mostly hollow bolt, blowback, and fill it with lead. It's worked more than once for me, for goofy projects that will only ever be just for fun. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 10:34:31 AM EDT
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I wonder if an ARFCOM member will get one of the 25 or so of these KelTec will ship before the next presidential election?
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Posted: 1/18/2019 10:35:51 AM EDT
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I wonder if an ARFCOM member will get one of the 25 or so of these KelTec will ship before the next presidential election? |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 11:14:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just remember, you're looking at 1000-1400 lbft of energy from mini-shells.... 
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Posted: 1/18/2019 11:34:33 AM EDT
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Yes, of course. 1250 FPS, 5/8oz slugs, around 1200 FPS for the 5/8oz buck. Going for the "ideal" bolt velocity of around 4m/s discounting all resistance to recock a hammer, or drive a striker back, or anything like that, 5-5.5lbs would be safe for a direct blowback. Back-of-the-envelope math, but it's a decent ballpark. Without seeing the KS7 in person yet, I'm not sure if blowback would be doable with a shortened stroke and new bolt, or if it will make more sense to repurpose the current lock, or what. We'll see. 
Also remember that plastic hulls don't hold bore pressure like brass, and they can stick to the bore when they swell. There's a reason blowback shotguns aren't a thing. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 1:47:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: are you saying 5 lbs of bolt?
Also remember that plastic hulls don't hold bore pressure like brass, and they can stick to the bore when they swell. There's a reason blowback shotguns aren't a thing.
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Posted: 1/18/2019 1:52:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2019 1:59:50 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3591/Attach45602_20190118_115153_jpg-812164.JPG We needed a picture  
I'm not sure how in the world we all skipped over putting a picture direct in the thread here... I suppose I'd already seen it in GD, so I didn't consider it. Good catch! |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 2:23:23 PM EDT
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Wonder what chokes it takes?
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Posted: 1/18/2019 3:33:25 PM EDT
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Wonder what chokes it takes? ETA: Just like the KSG, it does appear to have a threaded barrel nut, and there's a WinChoke adapter already available for that which holds the barrel on and allows the use of chokes. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 4:01:15 PM EDT
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Probably not threaded for chokes, same as the KSG. ETA: Just like the KSG, it does appear to have a threaded barrel nut, and there's a WinChoke adapter already available for that which holds the barrel on and allows the use of chokes. Oh well. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 4:24:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just read the article says the future long-barrel KS7 will take chokes... Oh well. 
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Posted: 1/18/2019 8:11:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Has anyone else looked at the KS7 and thought "that would be fun to hack into a semi-auto and take Aguila mini-12 only"? No? Just me? Okay, then. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 10:48:12 PM EDT
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I really think I will buy one of these as soon as they come out, under five bills of course.
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Posted: 1/19/2019 12:16:57 AM EDT
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I'm very excited for the KS7, I really like the sight channel / carry handle combo, and with an expected street price of $350-$400 once supply catches up, its easy to justify purchasing one. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 12:38:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After watching Paul Harrell's videos on the Aguila mini-shells, I'm a lot less impressed with them then I was before watching. If so, I'll have to take a look... but I use them for fun things, or for 12ga rounds when the usual simply has far too much recoil. Teaching new shooters, for example, or using a 12ga handgun.
Tons of fun, total range toy in that configuration, and pretty near impossible to use regular 12ga. I've shot it with regular 2-3/4" 12ga defense ammo twice. If I do that a third time, it will be because it's pointed at a bear. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 1:24:48 AM EDT
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I'm either going to use the choke adapter, or ideally, get the barrel threaded for chokes.
My plan is to mount a GATOR Spreader choke onto it as a purpose built hallway sweeper
12 yard spread - a bit longer then the furthest distance in my house. Spread is 12" x 33" - about the width of my front door. 
And 6 yard spread is still a respectable 5.5"x12" 
Now, the question is whether I can get a +1 mag extension tube to match the length of the choke? |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 9:38:36 AM EDT
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I'll be... that thing really works. On a KS7, you'd be talking about a real crowd-pleaser. Neat.
I haven't seen any accessories such as extensions, but technically speaking it shouldn't be difficult to make one or adapt an existing product, but if there's demand then it will certainly come to market soon after launch. Or, I'm totally wrong and there's no way to remove the endcap/spring from the mag tube. I just don't know 100%, but from a manufacturing standpoint it wouldn't make sense to spend more to limit options to the end user. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 7:11:26 PM EDT
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If there is a supply that isn’t the normal Keltec (3-5 year wait), and street price is around 400.00, I will move this to the top of guns to buy this year.
Been looking for a truck shotgun and if I can put a choke on the end of it or pick up a ~22” barrel version then I will be set |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 6:47:51 AM EDT
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Here's a photo of the "KS12" - the KS7 with the 12+1 mag tube and 30" barrel from the KSG25.
I think it looks really cool: 
That said, I'd really like to see an intermediate length version. The "KS12" is 38" long 12+1; I'd love to see like a 9+1/10+1 that is around 32" OAL, which is about the same length as an AUG 20" barrel, or a 11.5" SBR. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:26:20 AM EDT
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I think it looks awesome. Once it a) becomes available at a reasonable price (2+ years I expect) and b) the early adopters have finished beta testing it, I will absolutely buy one. It will go really well with my collection of SUB-2000s that has somehow expanded to four.
Now, if Kel-Tec can figure out a way to mate it with a RDB we will have a commercial Pulse Rifle. Maybe then they can start working on the Smart Gun. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 12:53:31 PM EDT
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Well, atleast we know which company becomes Weyland-Yutani's small arms research branch.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 12:53:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Here's a photo of the "KS12" - the KS7 with the 12+1 mag tube and 30" barrel from the KSG25. I think it looks really cool: https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DSC6669.jpg That said, I'd really like to see an intermediate length version. The "KS12" is 38" long 12+1; I'd love to see like a 9+1/10+1 that is around 32" OAL, which is about the same length as an AUG 20" barrel, or a 11.5" SBR. Still can’t figure out why they put out a 30” barrel and not a 22-24” barrel and a 2-3 mag extension. Hope to see some range videos from today posted on YouTube or full30 |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 4:41:20 PM EDT
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Well, atleast we know which company becomes Weyland-Yutani's small arms research branch.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 4:48:10 PM EDT
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I totally agree with you. Still can’t figure out why they put out a 30” barrel and not a 22-24” barrel and a 2-3 mag extension. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Here's a photo of the "KS12" - the KS7 with the 12+1 mag tube and 30" barrel from the KSG25. I think it looks really cool: https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DSC6669.jpg That said, I'd really like to see an intermediate length version. The "KS12" is 38" long 12+1; I'd love to see like a 9+1/10+1 that is around 32" OAL, which is about the same length as an AUG 20" barrel, or a 11.5" SBR. Still can’t figure out why they put out a 30” barrel and not a 22-24” barrel and a 2-3 mag extension. But, I do hope we get an intermediate length version down the road; otherwise I might have to try and make one. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:59:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Here's a photo of the "KS12" - the KS7 with the 12+1 mag tube and 30" barrel from the KSG25. I think it looks really cool:
That said, I'd really like to see an intermediate length version. The "KS12" is 38" long 12+1; I'd love to see like a 9+1/10+1 that is around 32" OAL, which is about the same length as an AUG 20" barrel, or a 11.5" SBR. 
I love that. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 3:36:12 AM EDT
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I'm interested, mixed feedback and an apparent complexity level too high for a Kel tec is why I never bought a KSG. Plus who wants to say they spent over $500 for a Kel Tec.
This one however, seems more in the Kel Tec wheelhouse, esp when it comes to price. And it looks cooler than a KSG. And looking cool is half the battle. |
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