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11/9/2018 9:21:38 PM
Posted: 11/9/2018 2:08:00 AM EST
Just recently for sale on the market, but checkin if anybody owns one yet? First impressions etc....
I've been intrigued by its design and its intended purpose years ago, so I decided place an order for one yesterday.
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 7:18:30 AM EST
Well seeing one fail catstrophically after less than two mags kinda of made those useless to me. Hopefully yours actually works.
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 10:09:19 AM EST
Great concept.

That front sight though,
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 12:48:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DaringRaider:
Well seeing one fail catstrophically after less than two mags kinda of made those useless to me. Hopefully yours actually works.
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Uh oh, would like to get more details on this. Link/pics etc.. Appreciated
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 12:57:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:
Great concept.

That front sight though,
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Agreed... But being a survival type rifle looks aren't really it's priority??. Have to admit though...they designed
It to fold or be removed if you choose to. Seen a video guy hittin steel at 200y..not bad for a wonky lookin sight
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 6:17:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ar671:
Just recently for sale on the market, but checkin if anybody owns one yet? First impressions etc....
I've been intrigued by its design and its intended purpose years ago, so I decided place an order for one yesterday.
https://image.ibb.co/nuEQyV/image.png
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Which would be what? Everytime I see it I think "I dont get it" because I dont get it.

What are the pro of using this thing for "survival" vs a standard RDB for instance.

Everytime I see it it makes me think they made it for New York and California and then wanted to give it a cool name to sell elsewhere. Which is fine I just dont get why its a survival rifle.
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 6:32:41 PM EST
Nunfancy has one or two long winded reviews on Youtube.
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 6:59:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:
Nunfancy has one or two long winded reviews on Youtube.
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Will check it out, thnx
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 7:33:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ar671:

Uh oh, would like to get more details on this. Link/pics etc.. Appreciated
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Youtube brah. Many reviews about these being turds.
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 7:56:44 PM EST
If they made it with their regular grip, I might be interested. I love bullpups, but KT seems to be the only company that is even trying to make them lighter weight.
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 9:59:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter:
If they made it with their regular grip, I might be interested. I love bullpups, but KT seems to be the only company that is even trying to make them lighter weight.
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They will be offering the pistol grip section separately
Link Posted: 11/10/2018 5:51:55 AM EST
If you click around you’ll see thread about thread about RDB problems. The number of issues is staggering, many guys have to send guns back multiple times.
Link Posted: 11/10/2018 9:12:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SickMAK90:
If you click around you’ll see thread about thread about RDB problems. The number of issues is staggering, many guys have to send guns back multiple times.
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Note most are old posts from 2017. They seem to have worked things out.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 11:23:55 PM EST
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Note most are old posts from 2017. They seem to have worked things out.
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I hope so. So far my only issues have stemmed from lazy QC and assembly at Keltec.
Link Posted: Yesterday 3:32:51 PM EST
It’s a KelTec.....

I would never, EVER, place my survival in their hands. The handguns I’ve owned were unreliable, and the “folding rifles” failed miserably (unless you like parts breakages and parts falling off of them).

If someone asked me for advice on a “small survival gun” I’d recommend an AR pistol from BCM, Daniel Defense, or a Colt 6933 upper on a pistol lower.

Known and proven quality.

KelTec products are in the turd class of quality / durability.
Link Posted: Yesterday 3:35:05 PM EST
Since this is the bull pup forum...

Steyr AUG with 16” QD barrel. It’s a pretty small package and is a combat proven design. Pull the barrel (15 seconds) and it’s pretty small too.

The thought of people spending money on KelTec products makes me sad.
Link Posted: Yesterday 4:13:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GaryT1776:
Since this is the bull pup forum...

Steyr AUG with 16” QD barrel. It’s a pretty small package and is a combat proven design. Pull the barrel (15 seconds) and it’s pretty small too.

The thought of people spending money on KelTec products makes me sad.
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I only paid $700 for my RDB. I still feel like I overpaid but I’m not paying $1,500+ for an aug or tavor. That being said this is just a range toy for me and most certainly not my SHTF weapon.
Link Posted: Yesterday 8:41:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ar671:
Agreed... But being a survival type rifle looks aren't really it's priority??. Have to admit though...they designed
It to fold or be removed if you choose to. Seen a video guy hittin steel at 200y..not bad for a wonky lookin sight
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:
Great concept.

That front sight though,
Agreed... But being a survival type rifle looks aren't really it's priority??. Have to admit though...they designed
It to fold or be removed if you choose to. Seen a video guy hittin steel at 200y..not bad for a wonky lookin sight
The main issue with the front sight is it's made from pretty flimsy sheet metal. KT really should have done a Tavor-style flip up rail section sight instead.
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Originally Posted By Dace:
Which would be what? Everytime I see it I think "I dont get it" because I dont get it.

What are the pro of using this thing for "survival" vs a standard RDB for instance.

Everytime I see it it makes me think they made it for New York and California and then wanted to give it a cool name to sell elsewhere. Which is fine I just dont get why its a survival rifle.
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Originally Posted By Dace:
Originally Posted By ar671:
Just recently for sale on the market, but checkin if anybody owns one yet? First impressions etc....
I've been intrigued by its design and its intended purpose years ago, so I decided place an order for one yesterday.
https://image.ibb.co/nuEQyV/image.png
Which would be what? Everytime I see it I think "I dont get it" because I dont get it.

What are the pro of using this thing for "survival" vs a standard RDB for instance.

Everytime I see it it makes me think they made it for New York and California and then wanted to give it a cool name to sell elsewhere. Which is fine I just dont get why its a survival rifle.
Blame your fellow Arfcommers, not Kel Tec. The NY/CA model is EXACTLY what it was, but there was this huge, inexplicable fascination by tools everywhere who thought a literal Planet of the Apes prop-rifle was something they just had to have. The rest of the fascination was because the 'RDB-C' was initially introduced as having a 6.5 Grendel chambering, which I guess has been postponed for the time being while they suss out the accuracy concerns stemming from the thin barrel, optics rail, & non-floated handguard.

At its core, though, you have a min-barrel-length, min-overall-length, min-overall-height, pencil-barrel, lightweight autoloading rifle, with flat sides, and very few openings. Except for the incredibly goofy stock ergonomics (I'm actually exaggerating; it's not terrible-terrible if you grip it with your thumb alongside your trigger finger) the concept isn't bad for a stowed & carried long gun. With a scabbard, or scabbard-pack, it would be pretty unobtrusive but still quite usable as a rifle.
Link Posted: Yesterday 9:23:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DaringRaider:
Youtube brah. Many reviews about these being turds.
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Originally Posted By ar671:

Uh oh, would like to get more details on this. Link/pics etc.. Appreciated
Youtube brah. Many reviews about these being turds.
I'm gonna call BS then, brah; put up your actual sources. Tossing it over to random YT tards isn't very useful (for any topic about anything, really)

I bought one over a year ago and have had my ear to the ground, and I've heard of issues with;
-Loose fasteners; KT likes screws, doesn't always care for loc-tite
-Doesn't like steel/AL magazines; the mag catch doesn't quite reach in far enough to always reliably grab the thinner-profile mags (but I've seen people tweak the catch so it does)
-Early guns had like a 1:9 twist that was kind of slow for some people. I think they are all 1:7 now, so not an issue
-Some people find it doesn't like steel-case and KT recommends against it; wild guess, they have a tighter-than-military chamber that doesn't tolerate buildup as well (no other reason I can think of it would cause issues)
-One or two broken firing pin noses...which isn't super unusual for any gun, though a little worrisome since spare parts aren't readily available yet & require customer service calls
-One guy was missing a C-clip on a sling-swivel, and the part shifted & interfered with the hammer until it was corrected
-One guy had a hammer striking face pop off the hammer arm (I'm still watching to see if there's more of these, or if it was a true fluke; that hammer does have a very high-intensity job so it does give me pause)
-A handful of very early guns missed a weld that retains the recoil-spring thrust washer in the bolt carrier (this is the one "goddamn cheap-ass Kel Tec garbage QC" issue to complain about, but it was quickly corrected in production)
-The handguard isn't free floated and barrel is thin, so there are issues with thermal and pressure stringing
-The optics rail bridges the front & rear of the barrel, and is aluminum rather than steel, so it can cause thermal expansion issues if installed wrong
-People who don't understand how the gun or adjustable gas systems function, and complain when they run the gun too-undergassed & it malfunctions
-Fudd RO's that don't understand how weapon-clearing functions (If I drop the mag & rack out a round, no, you don't need to examine the chamber directly )

I mean, yeah, it'd be worth bitching about these things if this were an FN product you'd paid two grand for, but it's less than half that price, and these issues are infrequent or pretty minor. "Turds" is a really inaccurate description this time, and Kel Tec hit this one out of the park. I expect these guns to be fairly common within five years, and KT's reputation greatly improved. I do wish they'd license the design to someone like FN who could execute the concept even better, but even as-is it's still the best bullpup platform that I've had the pleasure of messing with (Tavor/X95, AUG, PS90, FS2000, RFB, MDR). All those other guns were either ludicrously expensive, heavy, ergonomically flawed, or some combination. The Tavor was especially unimpressive as far as build quality, with loads of cheap plastics flimsier than anything on the RDB, and a really terrible gas system design (not to mention suppressor backpressure handling) all for the better part of two thousand dollars
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I'm gonna call BS then, brah; put up your actual sources. Tossing it over to random YT tards isn't very useful (for any topic about anything, really)

I bought one over a year ago and have had my ear to the ground, and I've heard of issues with;
-Loose fasteners; KT likes screws, doesn't always care for loc-tite
-Doesn't like steel/AL magazines; the mag catch doesn't quite reach in far enough to always reliably grab the thinner-profile mags (but I've seen people tweak the catch so it does)
-Early guns had like a 1:9 twist that was kind of slow for some people. I think they are all 1:7 now, so not an issue
-Some people find it doesn't like steel-case and KT recommends against it; wild guess, they have a tighter-than-military chamber that doesn't tolerate buildup as well (no other reason I can think of it would cause issues)
-One or two broken firing pin noses...which isn't super unusual for any gun, though a little worrisome since spare parts aren't readily available yet & require customer service calls
-One guy was missing a C-clip on a sling-swivel, and the part shifted & interfered with the hammer until it was corrected
-One guy had a hammer striking face pop off the hammer arm (I'm still watching to see if there's more of these, or if it was a true fluke; that hammer does have a very high-intensity job so it does give me pause)
-A handful of very early guns missed a weld that retains the recoil-spring thrust washer in the bolt carrier (this is the one "goddamn cheap-ass Kel Tec garbage QC" issue to complain about, but it was quickly corrected in production)
-The handguard isn't free floated and barrel is thin, so there are issues with thermal and pressure stringing
-The optics rail bridges the front & rear of the barrel, and is aluminum rather than steel, so it can cause thermal expansion issues if installed wrong
-People who don't understand how the gun or adjustable gas systems function, and complain when they run the gun too-undergassed & it malfunctions
-Fudd RO's that don't understand how weapon-clearing functions (If I drop the mag & rack out a round, no, you don't need to examine the chamber directly )

I mean, yeah, it'd be worth bitching about these things if this were an FN product you'd paid two grand for, but it's less than half that price, and these issues are infrequent or pretty minor. "Turds" is a really inaccurate description this time, and Kel Tec hit this one out of the park. I expect these guns to be fairly common within five years, and KT's reputation greatly improved. I do wish they'd license the design to someone like FN who could execute the concept even better, but even as-is it's still the best bullpup platform that I've had the pleasure of messing with (Tavor/X95, AUG, PS90, FS2000, RFB, MDR). All those other guns were either ludicrously expensive, heavy, ergonomically flawed, or some combination. The Tavor was especially unimpressive as far as build quality, with loads of cheap plastics flimsier than anything on the RDB, and a really terrible gas system design (not to mention suppressor backpressure handling) all for the better part of two thousand dollars
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Sorry I didn't video tape and sign an affadavit when I personally witnessed the shitty keltec RDB fail before finishing the second mag. It wasn't my gun. I didn't know the shooter. It was at Ben Avery, and a dude two lanes over made a show about how his bad ass keltec just shit the bed. I didn't read your whole post, something about cheap guns being "good enough" or something.

But yeah, you're right, your single opinion on the one Rdb that you actually own certainly trumps any other info out there on the web. You heard it here first guys, RDB's are better and best because barnbwt said so.

Fast forward to 17 minutes or so and see how kick ass this guy's RDB is.

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Sorry I didn't video tape and sign an affadavit when I personally witnessed the shitty keltec RDB fail before finishing the second mag. It wasn't my gun. I didn't know the shooter. It was at Ben Avery, and a dude two lanes over made a show about how his bad ass keltec just shit the bed. I didn't read your whole post, something about cheap guns being "good enough" or something.

But yeah, you're right, your single opinion on the one Rdb that you actually own certainly trumps any other info out there on the web. You heard it here first guys, RDB's are better and best because barnbwt said so.

Fast forward to 17 minutes or so and see how kick ass this guy's RDB is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KmC3QohPk
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Originally Posted By DaringRaider:
Originally Posted By barnbwt:

I'm gonna call BS then, brah; put up your actual sources. Tossing it over to random YT tards isn't very useful (for any topic about anything, really)

I bought one over a year ago and have had my ear to the ground, and I've heard of issues with;
-Loose fasteners; KT likes screws, doesn't always care for loc-tite
-Doesn't like steel/AL magazines; the mag catch doesn't quite reach in far enough to always reliably grab the thinner-profile mags (but I've seen people tweak the catch so it does)
-Early guns had like a 1:9 twist that was kind of slow for some people. I think they are all 1:7 now, so not an issue
-Some people find it doesn't like steel-case and KT recommends against it; wild guess, they have a tighter-than-military chamber that doesn't tolerate buildup as well (no other reason I can think of it would cause issues)
-One or two broken firing pin noses...which isn't super unusual for any gun, though a little worrisome since spare parts aren't readily available yet & require customer service calls
-One guy was missing a C-clip on a sling-swivel, and the part shifted & interfered with the hammer until it was corrected
-One guy had a hammer striking face pop off the hammer arm (I'm still watching to see if there's more of these, or if it was a true fluke; that hammer does have a very high-intensity job so it does give me pause)
-A handful of very early guns missed a weld that retains the recoil-spring thrust washer in the bolt carrier (this is the one "goddamn cheap-ass Kel Tec garbage QC" issue to complain about, but it was quickly corrected in production)
-The handguard isn't free floated and barrel is thin, so there are issues with thermal and pressure stringing
-The optics rail bridges the front & rear of the barrel, and is aluminum rather than steel, so it can cause thermal expansion issues if installed wrong
-People who don't understand how the gun or adjustable gas systems function, and complain when they run the gun too-undergassed & it malfunctions
-Fudd RO's that don't understand how weapon-clearing functions (If I drop the mag & rack out a round, no, you don't need to examine the chamber directly )

I mean, yeah, it'd be worth bitching about these things if this were an FN product you'd paid two grand for, but it's less than half that price, and these issues are infrequent or pretty minor. "Turds" is a really inaccurate description this time, and Kel Tec hit this one out of the park. I expect these guns to be fairly common within five years, and KT's reputation greatly improved. I do wish they'd license the design to someone like FN who could execute the concept even better, but even as-is it's still the best bullpup platform that I've had the pleasure of messing with (Tavor/X95, AUG, PS90, FS2000, RFB, MDR). All those other guns were either ludicrously expensive, heavy, ergonomically flawed, or some combination. The Tavor was especially unimpressive as far as build quality, with loads of cheap plastics flimsier than anything on the RDB, and a really terrible gas system design (not to mention suppressor backpressure handling) all for the better part of two thousand dollars
Sorry I didn't video tape and sign an affadavit when I personally witnessed the shitty keltec RDB fail before finishing the second mag. It wasn't my gun. I didn't know the shooter. It was at Ben Avery, and a dude two lanes over made a show about how his bad ass keltec just shit the bed. I didn't read your whole post, something about cheap guns being "good enough" or something.

But yeah, you're right, your single opinion on the one Rdb that you actually own certainly trumps any other info out there on the web. You heard it here first guys, RDB's are better and best because barnbwt said so.

Fast forward to 17 minutes or so and see how kick ass this guy's RDB is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KmC3QohPk
Thank you. No affadavit needed, just *something* for others to refer to before shitting all over a product.

That's the guy (singular) with the broken hammer I mentioned. Only one I've heard of, so a mere "anecdote" by your own definition. Now, the hammer in the gun is so odd, and so hard working in this design, that this failure does have my attention and I'm looking to see if/how many others occur. Mine's easily over 1000 rounds now and a ton of dry-fires, without issues (I really wish I could practice more).

It's odd he can't get in contact with Kel Tec, no one's ever claimed their customer service wasn't good, I don't think.

Far more videos out there with the gun doing great, and even this poor reviewer was impressed until the failure. We got a BREN 2 in with a factory-bent recoil guide rod; total turd of a weapon, right?

If you actually read my post, like I did yours, you'd see most of the issues are minor (loose screws) and the rest are rare (broken hammer, firing pin, recoil assy)

Accuracy issues from the flimsy non-floated barrel & rail are the real bottleneck, here.
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Originally Posted By DaringRaider:
Sorry I didn't video tape and sign an affadavit when I personally witnessed the shitty keltec RDB fail before finishing the second mag. It wasn't my gun. I didn't know the shooter. It was at Ben Avery, and a dude two lanes over made a show about how his bad ass keltec just shit the bed. I didn't read your whole post, something about cheap guns being "good enough" or something.

But yeah, you're right, your single opinion on the one Rdb that you actually own certainly trumps any other info out there on the web. You heard it here first guys, RDB's are better and best because barnbwt said so.

Fast forward to 17 minutes or so and see how kick ass this guy's RDB is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KmC3QohPk
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Originally Posted By DaringRaider:
Originally Posted By barnbwt:

I'm gonna call BS then, brah; put up your actual sources. Tossing it over to random YT tards isn't very useful (for any topic about anything, really)

I bought one over a year ago and have had my ear to the ground, and I've heard of issues with;
-Loose fasteners; KT likes screws, doesn't always care for loc-tite
-Doesn't like steel/AL magazines; the mag catch doesn't quite reach in far enough to always reliably grab the thinner-profile mags (but I've seen people tweak the catch so it does)
-Early guns had like a 1:9 twist that was kind of slow for some people. I think they are all 1:7 now, so not an issue
-Some people find it doesn't like steel-case and KT recommends against it; wild guess, they have a tighter-than-military chamber that doesn't tolerate buildup as well (no other reason I can think of it would cause issues)
-One or two broken firing pin noses...which isn't super unusual for any gun, though a little worrisome since spare parts aren't readily available yet & require customer service calls
-One guy was missing a C-clip on a sling-swivel, and the part shifted & interfered with the hammer until it was corrected
-One guy had a hammer striking face pop off the hammer arm (I'm still watching to see if there's more of these, or if it was a true fluke; that hammer does have a very high-intensity job so it does give me pause)
-A handful of very early guns missed a weld that retains the recoil-spring thrust washer in the bolt carrier (this is the one "goddamn cheap-ass Kel Tec garbage QC" issue to complain about, but it was quickly corrected in production)
-The handguard isn't free floated and barrel is thin, so there are issues with thermal and pressure stringing
-The optics rail bridges the front & rear of the barrel, and is aluminum rather than steel, so it can cause thermal expansion issues if installed wrong
-People who don't understand how the gun or adjustable gas systems function, and complain when they run the gun too-undergassed & it malfunctions
-Fudd RO's that don't understand how weapon-clearing functions (If I drop the mag & rack out a round, no, you don't need to examine the chamber directly )

I mean, yeah, it'd be worth bitching about these things if this were an FN product you'd paid two grand for, but it's less than half that price, and these issues are infrequent or pretty minor. "Turds" is a really inaccurate description this time, and Kel Tec hit this one out of the park. I expect these guns to be fairly common within five years, and KT's reputation greatly improved. I do wish they'd license the design to someone like FN who could execute the concept even better, but even as-is it's still the best bullpup platform that I've had the pleasure of messing with (Tavor/X95, AUG, PS90, FS2000, RFB, MDR). All those other guns were either ludicrously expensive, heavy, ergonomically flawed, or some combination. The Tavor was especially unimpressive as far as build quality, with loads of cheap plastics flimsier than anything on the RDB, and a really terrible gas system design (not to mention suppressor backpressure handling) all for the better part of two thousand dollars
Sorry I didn't video tape and sign an affadavit when I personally witnessed the shitty keltec RDB fail before finishing the second mag. It wasn't my gun. I didn't know the shooter. It was at Ben Avery, and a dude two lanes over made a show about how his bad ass keltec just shit the bed. I didn't read your whole post, something about cheap guns being "good enough" or something.

But yeah, you're right, your single opinion on the one Rdb that you actually own certainly trumps any other info out there on the web. You heard it here first guys, RDB's are better and best because barnbwt said so.

Fast forward to 17 minutes or so and see how kick ass this guy's RDB is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KmC3QohPk
I like how you dog on the poster about only having one gun experience and then go on to post one video from two years ago with an issue the poster already mentioned. LOL

Do you have any recent ones?
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