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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:17:33 PM EDT
A longtime dealer on GB (and he says the old Gun List paper), has the below info. in his auctions.
He has restrictions on states he will sell to buyers with a C&R, and says some things about changes in regards to shipping to C&R licensees.  His GB handle is Pumpkin Hill from CT.

I'm wondering if he has correct info. or he just is dealing with the wrong people at the post office, and not studying info. about what states he can ship to a C&R.  See below his statement:

Sorry, I no longer ship handguns to C&R FFL Licensees by Priority Mail because the Postal Service No Longer Allows it (email me for a detail explanation). No direct shipping of handguns to a C&R FFL in any case to CT, NY, NJ, MD, MA, IL, CA, and HI because those states do not recognize the C&R FFL license. In approved states I will gladly ship you a C&R handgun on your C&R FFL O3 license if you pay for the shipping through FEDEX or UPS. Usually over $100 as they require Next DAY AIR. By the way I had my own C&R for 25 years so I am on your side! But I still must follow the New USPS rules!
I can accept your C&R FFL on C&R Long guns in MOST but not all States. NO C&R Long Guns can be sent to C&R Licensees in CT, NY, NJ, MD, MA, IL, and HI. C&R Long guns are Ok to CA C&R Licensees with a CA COE. C&R. C&R Pistols and Long guns can be shipped to a Regular FFL 01 Dealer in any state!
Link Posted: 11/17/2019 1:45:25 PM EDT
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432.2 Handguns

Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in this section, after the filing of an affidavit or statement described in 432.22 or 432.24, and are subject to the following:
Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2 and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 431.3.
Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2, which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest, may be accepted for mailing between governmental museums without regard to the restrictions provided for handguns in 432.21 through 432.24 and Exhibit 432.25.
Air guns (see 431.6) that do not fall within the definition of firearms under 431.1 and are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable, but must include Adult Signature service under DMM 503.8. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.
Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district.

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Seems like he may have a point..... I could not find a date published on this postal site, but no doubt they make it as difficult as possible... they are the govt....
Link Posted: 11/17/2019 2:43:58 PM EDT
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If the damn postal code said "FFL" instead of "dealer", it would be moot.
Link Posted: 11/17/2019 4:58:44 PM EDT
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The Postal Code is so jacked up that you would need both an ATF agent and a federal prosecutor with absolutely nothing to do in order to be indicted for something like that.
Link Posted: 11/19/2019 8:21:50 PM EDT
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A longtime dealer on GB (and he says the old Gun List paper), has the below info. in his auctions.
He has restrictions on states he will sell to buyers with a C&R, and says some things about changes in regards to shipping to C&R licensees. His GB handle is Pumpkin Hill from CT.

I'm wondering if he has correct info. or he just is dealing with the wrong people at the post office, and not studying info. about what states he can ship to a C&R.  See below his statement:

[b]Sorry, I no longer ship handguns to C&R FFL Licensees by Priority Mail because the Postal Service No Longer Allows it (email me for a detail explanation). ...
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It's not something recent, but has been a USPS regulation for decades.
Link Posted: 11/20/2019 12:34:14 PM EDT
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This.  I'm sure that they purposely did that to screw over FFL07 holders.
Link Posted: 11/20/2019 12:35:29 PM EDT
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The Postal Code is so jacked up that you would need both an ATF agent and a federal prosecutor with absolutely nothing to do in order to be indicted for something like that.
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Or some kind of personal or political vendetta.  It is certainly not something I'd want to take a risk on.
Link Posted: 11/20/2019 3:10:57 PM EDT
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There is no Maryland law restrict c$r holder from receiving c$r guns  including handguns from out of state sellers. Now if you are an in state selling to an in state buyer  handguns do have to go trough the m.s.p. process. But do not require a hql to buy it
There is no restrictions for selling c$r long guns in MD other then federal registration.

I would just stay away from this seller and find another that understand the laws.

And fed ex and ups do not charge over $100 to ship a handgun over night. Most of the time the shipping has been around $30 for a handgun. He is trying to make up money from you on shipping
Link Posted: 11/20/2019 8:46:12 PM EDT
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This.  I'm sure that they purposely did that to screw over FFL07 holders.
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If the damn postal code said "FFL" instead of "dealer", it would be moot.
This.  I'm sure that they purposely did that to screw over FFL07 holders.
07FFL is a manufacturer and can mail any firearm.
I think you meant 03FFL "Collector"?
Link Posted: 11/20/2019 8:54:42 PM EDT
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And fed ex and ups do not charge over $100 to ship a handgun over night. Most of the time the shipping has been around $30 for a handgun. He is trying to make up money from you on shipping
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Seriously?
You don't ship firearms very often.
UPS requires handguns of any type ship Next Day Air. FedEx requires Overnight.
Add insurance and Adult Signature on delivery and a $1000 handgun going UPS Next Day Air Saver (cheapest option) from Dallas to LA runs $106.

$30?

Calculate it here UPS Shipping Calculator
Link Posted: 11/21/2019 3:34:52 PM EDT
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07FFL is a manufacturer and can mail any firearm.
I think you meant 03FFL "Collector"?
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Yes.  Brain fart on my part.
Link Posted: 11/24/2019 8:38:33 AM EDT
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His statement about USPS prohibiting shipments of handguns to C&R holders is accurate. His statement about the expense of next day air shipping is also reasonable.

Some of his state restrictions may be overly cautious, though I can understand where some of them come from. I'll use Connecticut as an example. He claims that Connecticut residents can't receive handguns or long guns on a C&R license. C&R licenses are in a funky position here in Connecticut. It's part of the reason why I have held off on getting one despite thinking about getting one at various times in the past. Connecticut law regarding pistol/revolver transfers does not make an exception to the process or paperwork on a handgun transfer for curio and relic licensees- that exception is limited to dealers and manufacturers. Retail transfers of long guns would have been in a similar position prior to 2013. However, one of the few positive things to come out of the horrible gun control laws of 2013 was that there is now an explicit exemption for the transfer of C&R long guns to C&R licensees.

See CGS 29-37a(h)(3)
Sec. 29-37a. Sale, delivery or transfer of long guns. Procedure. Penalty. (a) For the purposes of this section, “long gun” means a firearm, as defined in section 53a-3, other than a pistol or revolver.

(b) (1) Except as provided in subdivision (2) of this subsection, no person, firm or corporation may sell, deliver or otherwise transfer, at retail, any long gun to any person under eighteen years of age.

(2) No person, firm or corporation may sell, deliver or otherwise transfer, at retail, any semi-automatic centerfire rifle that has or accepts a magazine with a capacity exceeding five rounds to any person under twenty-one years of age. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to the sale, delivery or transfer of such a rifle to any person who is a member or employee of an organized local police department, the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection or the Department of Correction or a member of the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their duties.

(c) On and after April 1, 2014, no person may purchase or receive any long gun unless such person holds a valid long gun eligibility certificate issued pursuant to section 29-37p, a valid permit to carry a pistol or revolver issued pursuant to subsection (b) of section 29-28, a valid permit to sell at retail a pistol or revolver issued pursuant to subsection (a) of section 29-28 or a valid eligibility certificate for a pistol or revolver issued pursuant to section 29-36f.

(d) No person, firm or corporation may sell, deliver or otherwise transfer, at retail, any long gun to any person unless such person makes application on a form prescribed and furnished by the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection, which shall be attached by the transferor to the federal sale or transfer document and filed and retained by the transferor for at least twenty years or until such transferor goes out of business. Such application shall be available for inspection during normal business hours by law enforcement officials. No such sale, delivery or other transfer of any long gun shall be made until the person, firm or corporation making such sale, delivery or transfer has ensured that such application has been completed properly and has obtained an authorization number from the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection for such sale, delivery or transfer. The Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection shall make every effort, including performing the national instant criminal background check, to determine if the applicant is eligible to receive such long gun. If it is determined that the applicant is ineligible to receive such long gun, the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection shall immediately notify the person, firm or corporation to whom such application was made and no such long gun shall be sold, delivered or otherwise transferred to such applicant by such person, firm or corporation. When any long gun is delivered in connection with any sale or purchase, such long gun shall be enclosed in a package, the paper or wrapping of which shall be securely fastened, and no such long gun when delivered on any sale or purchase shall be loaded or contain any gunpowder or other explosive or any bullet, ball or shell. Upon the sale, delivery or other transfer of the long gun, the transferee shall sign in triplicate a receipt for such long gun, which shall contain the name, address and date and place of birth of such transferee, the date of such sale, delivery or transfer and the caliber, make, model and manufacturer's number and a general description thereof. Not later than twenty-four hours after such sale, delivery or transfer, the transferor shall send by first class mail or electronically transfer one receipt to the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection and one receipt to the chief of police or, where there is no chief of police, the warden of the borough or the first selectman, of the town in which the transferee resides, and shall retain one receipt, together with the original application, for at least five years.

(e) No sale, delivery or other transfer of any long gun shall be made by a person who is not a federally licensed firearm manufacturer, importer or dealer to a person who is not a federally licensed firearm manufacturer, importer or dealer unless:

(1) The prospective transferor and prospective transferee comply with the provisions of subsection (d) of this section and the prospective transferor has obtained an authorization number from the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection for such sale, delivery or transfer; or

(2) The prospective transferor or prospective transferee requests a federally licensed firearm dealer to contact the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection on behalf of such prospective transferor or prospective transferee and the federally licensed firearm dealer has obtained an authorization number from the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection for such sale, delivery or transfer.

(f) (1) On and after January 1, 2014, for purposes of a transfer pursuant to subdivision (2) of subsection (e) of this section, a prospective transferor or prospective transferee may request a federally licensed firearm dealer to contact the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection to obtain an authorization number for such sale, delivery or transfer. If a federally licensed firearm dealer consents to contact the department on behalf of the prospective transferor or prospective transferee, the prospective transferor or prospective transferee shall provide to such dealer the name, sex, race, date of birth and state of residence of the prospective transferee and, if necessary to verify the identity of the prospective transferee, may provide a unique numeric identifier including, but not limited to, a Social Security number, and additional identifiers including, but not limited to, height, weight, eye and hair color, and place of birth. The prospective transferee shall present to the dealer such prospective transferee's valid long gun eligibility certificate issued pursuant to section 29-37p, valid permit to carry a pistol or revolver issued pursuant to subsection (b) of section 29-28, valid permit to sell at retail a pistol or revolver issued pursuant to subsection (a) of section 29-28 or valid eligibility certificate for a pistol or revolver issued pursuant to section 29-36f. The dealer may charge a fee for contacting the department on behalf of the prospective transferor or prospective transferee.

(2) The Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection shall make every effort, including performing the national instant criminal background check, to determine if the prospective transferee is eligible to receive such long gun. The Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection shall immediately notify the dealer of the department's determination and the dealer shall immediately notify the prospective transferor or prospective transferee of such determination. If the department determines the prospective transferee is ineligible to receive such long gun, no long gun shall be sold, delivered or otherwise transferred by the prospective transferor to the prospective transferee. If the department determines the prospective transferee is eligible to receive such long gun and provides an authorization number for such sale, delivery or transfer, the prospective transferor may proceed to sell, deliver or otherwise transfer the long gun to the prospective transferee.

(3) Upon the sale, delivery or other transfer of the long gun, the transferor or transferee shall complete a form, prescribed by the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection, that contains the name and address of the transferor, the name and address of the transferee, the date and place of birth of such transferee, the firearm permit or certificate number of the transferee, the firearm permit or certificate number of the transferor, if any, the date of such sale, delivery or transfer, the caliber, make, model and manufacturer's number and a general description of such long gun and the authorization number provided by the department. Not later than twenty-four hours after such sale, delivery or transfer, the transferor shall send by first class mail or electronically transfer one copy of such form to the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection and one copy to the chief of police or, where there is no chief of police, the warden of the borough or the first selectman, of the town in which the transferee resides, and shall retain one copy, for at least five years.

(g) Prior to April 1, 2014, no sale, delivery or other transfer of any long gun shall be made until the expiration of two weeks from the date of the application, except that such waiting period shall not apply to any federal marshal, parole officer or peace officer, or to the sale, delivery or other transfer of (1) any long gun to a holder of a valid state permit to carry a pistol or revolver issued under the provisions of section 29-28, a valid eligibility certificate issued under the provisions of section 29-36f, or a valid long gun eligibility certificate issued under the provisions of section 29-37p, (2) any long gun to an active member of the armed forces of the United States or of any reserve component thereof, (3) any long gun to a holder of a valid hunting license issued pursuant to chapter 490, or (4) antique firearms. For the purposes of this subsection, “antique firearm” means any firearm which was manufactured in or before 1898 and any replica of such firearm, provided such replica is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition except rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and not readily available in the ordinary channel of commercial trade.

(h) The provisions of subsections (c) to (g), inclusive of this section shall not apply to the sale, delivery or transfer of (1) long guns to (A) the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, police departments, the Department of Correction, the Division of Criminal Justice, the Department of Motor Vehicles, the Department of Energy and Environmental Protection or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States, (B) a sworn and duly certified member of an organized police department, the Division of State Police within the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection or the Department of Correction, a chief inspector or inspector in the Division of Criminal Justice, a salaried inspector of motor vehicles designated by the Commissioner of Motor Vehicles, a conservation officer or special conservation officer appointed by the Commissioner of Energy and Environmental Protection pursuant to section 26-5, or a constable who is certified by the Police Officer Standards and Training Council and appointed by the chief executive authority of a town, city or borough to perform criminal law enforcement duties, pursuant to a letter on the letterhead of such department, division, commissioner or authority authorizing the purchase and stating that the sworn member, inspector, officer or constable will use the long gun in the discharge of official duties, and that a records check indicates that the sworn member, inspector, officer or constable has not been convicted of a crime of family violence, for use by such sworn member, inspector, officer or constable in the discharge of such sworn member's, inspector's, officer's or constable's official duties or when off duty, (C) a member of the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States, or (D) a nuclear facility licensed by the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission for the purpose of providing security services at such facility, or any contractor or subcontractor of such facility for the purpose of providing security services at such facility; (2) long guns to or between federally licensed firearm manufacturers, importers or dealers; (3) curios or relics, as defined in 27 CFR 478.11, to or between federally licensed firearm collectors; or (4) antique firearms, as defined in subsection (g) of this section.

(i) If the court finds that a violation of this section is not of a serious nature and that the person charged with such violation (1) will probably not offend in the future, (2) has not previously been convicted of a violation of this section, and (3) has not previously had a prosecution under this section suspended pursuant to this subsection, it may order suspension of prosecution. The court shall not order suspension of prosecution unless the accused person has acknowledged that he understands the consequences of the suspension of prosecution. Any person for whom prosecution is suspended shall agree to the tolling of any statute of limitations with respect to such violation and to a waiver of his right to a speedy trial. Such person shall appear in court and shall be released to the custody of the Court Support Services Division for such period, not exceeding two years, and under such conditions as the court shall order. If the person refuses to accept, or, having accepted, violates such conditions, the court shall terminate the suspension of prosecution and the case shall be brought to trial. If such person satisfactorily completes his period of probation, he may apply for dismissal of the charges against him and the court, on finding such satisfactory completion, shall dismiss such charges. If the person does not apply for dismissal of the charges against him after satisfactorily completing his period of probation, the court, upon receipt of a report submitted by the Court Support Services Division that the person satisfactorily completed his period of probation, may on its own motion make a finding of such satisfactory completion and dismiss such charges. Upon dismissal, all records of such charges shall be erased pursuant to section 54-142a. An order of the court denying a motion to dismiss the charges against a person who has completed his period of probation or terminating the participation of a defendant in such program shall be a final judgment for purposes of appeal.

(j) Any person who violates any provision of this section shall be guilty of a class D felony, except that any person who sells, delivers or otherwise transfers a long gun in violation of the provisions of this section, knowing that such long gun is stolen or that the manufacturer's number or other mark of identification on such long gun has been altered, removed or obliterated, shall be guilty of a class B felony, and any long gun found in the possession of any person in violation of any provision of this section shall be forfeited.
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Link Posted: 11/24/2019 2:09:09 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/24/2019 2:14:06 PM EDT
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I routinely receive c&r guns from my importer buddy via USPS.  Basically you just have to be a "dealer" to ship them, they dont care who they go to as long as it's a FFL.

Yes it does suck to be a c&r and shipping a handgun.  I'll agree to that.
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If you mount a brass rod to the Picatinny rail and it makes the handgun 26" is it considered a firearm/not a pistol?

Also IL does recognize the c&r wtf is he smoking. You need a c&r here to get a sbr tax stamp.
Link Posted: 11/24/2019 4:12:54 PM EDT
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I routinely receive c&r guns from my importer buddy via USPS.  Basically you just have to be a "dealer" to ship them, they dont care who they go to as long as it's a FFL.

Yes it does suck to be a c&r and shipping a handgun.  I'll agree to that.
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I routinely receive c&r guns from my importer buddy via USPS.  Basically you just have to be a "dealer" to ship them, they dont care who they go to as long as it's a FFL.

Yes it does suck to be a c&r and shipping a handgun.  I'll agree to that.
Routinely?
Except for your first sentence, everything you wrote is wrong, felony level wrong.
You and your importer buddy might want to read some USPS regulations, 'cause thats clearly contrary to postal regulations.
Note the portions in red
USPS regulations on mailing firearms
432 Mailability
432.1 General

Mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, all of the provisions of postal law in 18 U.S.C. 1715, and all other all federal and state regulations and local ordinances affecting the movement of firearms. The following also applies:

The Postal Service may require the mailer to open parcels containing firearms or air guns or give written certification that the weapon is unloaded and not concealable.
Short-barreled rifles or shotguns that can be concealed on the person are nonmailable.
No markings of any kind that indicate the nature of the contents may be placed on the outside wrapper or container of any mailpiece containing firearms.
Mailable matter must be properly and securely packaged within the general packaging requirements in DMM 601.1-7.
Except for shipments between licensed dealers, manufacturers, or importers, all regulated firearms must be mailed using a USPS product or Extra Service that provides tracking and signature capture at delivery.

432.2 Handguns
Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in this section, after the filing of an affidavit or statement described in 432.22 or 432.24, and are subject to the following:

Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2 and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 431.3.
Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2, which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest, may be accepted for mailing between governmental museums without regard to the restrictions provided for handguns in 432.21 through 432.24 and Exhibit 432.25.
Air guns (see 431.6) that do not fall within the definition of firearms under 431.1 and are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable, but must include Adult Signature service under DMM 503.8. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.
Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district.

432.21 Authorized Persons
Subject to 432.22, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, a licensed importer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person’s official duties, and upon filing the required affidavit or certificate:

Officers of the Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, or Organized Reserve Corps.
Officers of the National Guard or militia of a state, territory, or district.
Officers of the United States or of a state, territory, or district, whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or commitment.
USPS employees authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector.
Officers and employees of enforcement agencies of the United States.
Watchmen engaged in guarding the property of the United States, a state, territory, or district.
Purchasing agent or other designated member of agencies employing officers and employees included in 432.21c through e.

432.22 Affidavit of Addressee
Any person proposing to mail a handgun under 432.21 must file with the Postmaster, at the time of mailing, an affidavit signed by the addressee setting forth that the addressee is qualified to receive the firearm under a particular category of 432.21a through 432.21g, and that the firearm is intended for the addressee’s official use. The affidavit must also bear a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official duty use of the addressee, signed by one of the following, as appropriate:
For officers of Armed Forces, by the commanding officer.
For officers and employees of enforcement agencies, by the head of the agency employing the addressee to perform the official duty with which the firearm is to be used.
For watchmen, by the chief clerk of the department, bureau, or independent branch of the government of the United States, the state, the territory, or the district by which the watchman is employed.
For the purchasing agent or other designated member of enforcement agencies, by the head of such agency, that the firearm is to be used by an officer or employee included in 432.21c through 432.21e.

432.23 Manufacturers, Dealers, and Importers
Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms, licensed dealers of firearms, and licensed importers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts.

432.24 Certificate of Manufacturers, Dealers, and Importers
A federal firearms licensee manufacturer, dealer, or importer need not file the affidavit under 432.22, but must file with the Postmaster a statement on PS Form 1508, Statement by Shipper of Firearms, signed by the mailer that he or she is a licensed manufacturer, dealer, or importer of firearms. The mailer must also state that the parcels containing handguns, or parts and components of handguns under 432.2d, are being mailed in customary trade shipments or contain such articles for repairing or replacing parts, and that to the best of their knowledge the addressees are licensed manufacturers, dealers, or importers of firearms. Registered Mail service is recommended.


Postmasters may forward an unsatisfactory mailer statement to the PCSC for a ruling.
In short, your importer buddy violates federal law everytime he ship anything other than a rifle or shorgun to you or other C&R licensees via USPS.
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If you mount a brass rod to the Picatinny rail and it makes the handgun 26" is it considered a firearm/not a pistol?

Also IL does recognize the c&r wtf is he smoking. You need a c&r here to get a sbr tax stamp.
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Wouldn't matter. USPS defines "Handgun" differently than ATF. A "firearm" is not mailable except by licensed dealers and manufacturers.
Link Posted: 11/24/2019 4:33:07 PM EDT
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I know this is about handguns, but want to clear up the incorrect statement in the previous post. Rifles and Shotguns are mailable by a private party subject to the following:

12.2 Rifles and Shotguns

[Revise renumbered 12.2 as follows:]

Except under 12.1.1d and 12.1.2, unloaded rifles and shot­guns are mailable. Mailers must comply with the rules and regulations under 27 CFR, Part 478, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and not ineligible for mailing under 12.1.1d. The following conditions also apply:

a. Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when sent within the same state of mailing. These items must bear a “Return Service Requested” endorsement, and must be sent by Express Mail (“signature required” must be used at delivery) or Registered Mail, or must in­clude either insured mail service (for more than $200) requiring a signature at delivery.

b. A shotgun or rifle owned by a non-FFL may be mailed outside the owner’s state of residence by the owner to himself or herself, in care of another person in the state, where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. These mailpieces must:

1. Be addressed to the owner.

2. Include the “in the care of” endorsement immedi­ately preceding the name of the applicable tem­porary custodian.

3. Be opened by the rifle or shotgun owner only.

4. Be mailed using services described in 12.2a.

c. Rifles and shotguns may be mailed by a non-FFL owner domestically to a FFL dealer, manufacturer, or importer in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed using those services described in 12.2a.

d. Except as described in 12.1.2a, licensed curio and relic collectors may mail firearms meeting the defini­tion of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 domes­tically to FFL licensed curio and relic collectors in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed us­ing those services described in 12.2a.

e. Firearms that are certified by the curator of a munic­ipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest may be ac­cepted for mailing without restriction.

f. Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a are mailable. A shipment containing an air gun with a muzzle velocity of 400 or more feet per second (fps) must include an Adult Signature service under 503.8.0. Mailers must additionally comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
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There was no incorrect statement in my post. If you'll reread you'll note I was responding to Capt_Destro's question regarding a handgun 26" and whether it is considered a "firearm" or "pistol".

As such a firearm is neither a rifle or shotgun, you didn't clear up squat.
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And fed ex and ups do not charge over $100 to ship a handgun over night. Most of the time the shipping has been around $30 for a handgun. He is trying to make up money from you on shipping
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You don't have a clue.
Link Posted: 12/18/2019 6:00:05 PM EDT
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UPS has added Flat Rate shipping based on the size (Cubic inches) of the box,

it is much cheaper than standard ground, next day etc,

there are exemptions,  of which I do not know if firearms are one of the exemptions

https://www.ups.com/us/en/services/shipping/simple-rate.page
Link Posted: 1/18/2020 11:20:16 PM EDT
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No handguns to c&r by mail. Sorry. It sucks I know.
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