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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2023 1:35:05 PM EDT
Looking hard at a 5" barrel model. Want to make sure I'm not overlooking a better option at the price point, but I don't believe I am. Will end up SBR'ing and suppressing it.
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Posted: 9/21/2011 5:20:39 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 12/16/2023 6:45:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JSchell1309]
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Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Looking hard at a 5" barrel model. Want to make sure I'm not overlooking a better option at the price point, but I don't believe I am. Will end up SBR'ing and suppressing it. If you plan on suppressing I would only be looking at the roller delayed SP9A3 model. Looks like it can be had for around $800 out there or a bit less. Only thing I would tell you to cross shop it with is the Century Arms AP5-P, which is the 5.75" MP5-K clone from Turkey. Looks like its around $1075 in cart at a few places. I have a full size MP5 and my buddy has the 8" roller delayed Stribog A3. His suppresses extremely well. Hard to really tell a difference between the two with 147gr subs and a can. If you don't have nostalgia for the MP5 platform and want to save a bit over $250, then it's hard to go wrong with the 'bog SP9A3. Only other option to consider is a CMMG 5" Radial Delay kit for about $340 and roll your own AR9 which will be radial delayed. The CMMG ARC 9mm Pmag conversions are perfect with the RDB kit. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:03:41 PM EDT
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Also check out the Matador arms Montgo or Mat-9, kinda like a Stribog crossed with an AR-15.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 6:04:41 PM EDT
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If only shooting FMJs it's the best with roller delay and a suppressor. If you're wanting hp reliability I'd go Scorpion instead.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 6:24:51 PM EDT
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Yes. Get the 8",
+3" buys you a decent amount of velocity gain. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 7:34:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Yes. Get the 8", +3" buys you a decent amount of velocity gain. I bought the 8" but I'm gonna cut it down to 6.5 or so. Just don't want too much added length for when I suppress it. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 9:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: I bought the 8" but I'm gonna cut it down to 6.5 or so. Just don't want too much added length for when I suppress it. That's what I did  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 9:09:00 PM EDT
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No, the Scorpion is
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 9:13:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamahawarrior89: That's what I did https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372855/IMG_20210928_210344707_jpg-3063944.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372855/IMG_20211113_093202459_HDR_compress89_jp-3063948.JPG Sooo hot. Who did your cut/re thread? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 9:14:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThatGuyTheCooler: No, the Scorpion is Lmao maybe Scorpion can be in the running once they make a real 9MM sub gun (IE: roller delayed). Until then....nah. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 9:33:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Also, be sure to get the 40 degree roller, if you are going to suppress. Well, I think I may have gotten both the part name and the numerical value of the angle wrong, not sure - but start researching. It's only a $40 part, but it will slow the roller delay more, for those running supressors with hot ammo.
Stribog is currently the best PCC/SMG for under $1k there is; and beats most $2k+ units. MP5 is a neat relic of the past, but the heavy steel construction and lack of last-shot-hold feature, make it a neat 1980's gun surpassed by a 2020's gun. Also, don't get the wire stock (or armbrace). Get the folder. Wire stock's look best in photo's while lusting after it. Less so if you actually plan on running it. Folder is much faster, much more comfy. If you SBR and get the real genuine Stribog stock, it locks into folded position via the little cut-out in the front of the receiver; it's clever. The HB (or whetever) tactical upgraded buffer isn't a bad buy; nor are the upgraded safety selector levers. As to Scorpion -thanks for getting the concept of a non-AR based modern looking 9mm PCC going. You're also obsolete with a primitive action, now that Stribog SP9A3 has entered the scene. Though nod to CZ Scorpion for actually releasing a complete product, vs the embarrassing multi-step Beta-test launch Stribog went through. Sorry to those who got hosed by Grand Power on that deal. There was only about a 1 year window before the ban, when Stribog actually got it right. Up until that time, Scorpion was the better gun. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 10:04:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Sooo hot. Who did your cut/re thread? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Originally Posted By yamahawarrior89: That's what I did https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372855/IMG_20210928_210344707_jpg-3063944.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372855/IMG_20211113_093202459_HDR_compress89_jp-3063948.JPG Sooo hot. Who did your cut/re thread? I bought the barrel removal tool from inleadwetrust and sent it to Adco to be cut and threaded. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 10:16:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamahawarrior89: I bought the barrel removal tool from inleadwetrust and sent it to Adco to be cut and threaded. Nice, thanks! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 10:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Also, be sure to get the 40 degree roller, if you are going to suppress. Well, I think I may have gotten both the part name and the numerical value of the angle wrong, not sure - but start researching. It's only a $40 part, but it will slow the roller delay more, for those running supressors with hot ammo. Stribog is currently the best PCC/SMG for under $1k there is; and beats most $2k+ units. MP5 is a neat relic of the past, but the heavy steel construction and lack of last-shot-hold feature, make it a neat 1980's gun surpassed by a 2020's gun. Also, don't get the wire stock (or armbrace). Get the folder. Wire stock's look best in photo's while lusting after it. Less so if you actually plan on running it. Folder is much faster, much more comfy. If you SBR and get the real genuine Stribog stock, it locks into folded position via the little cut-out in the front of the receiver; it's clever. The HB (or whetever) tactical upgraded buffer isn't a bad buy; nor are the upgraded safety selector levers. As to Scorpion -thanks for getting the concept of a non-AR based modern looking 9mm PCC going. You're also obsolete with a primitive action, now that Stribog SP9A3 has entered the scene. Though nod to CZ Scorpion for actually releasing a complete product, vs the embarrassing multi-step Beta-test launch Stribog went through. Sorry to those who got hosed by Grand Power on that deal. There was only about a 1 year window before the ban, when Stribog actually got it right. Up until that time, Scorpion was the better gun. Yeah I'm going with the HB folding Zhukov stock for sure. Such a sexy setup. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 10:38:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PlaysWithAtoms]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JSchell1309: If you plan on suppressing I would only be looking at the roller delayed SP9A3 model. Looks like it can be had for around $800 out there or a bit less. Only thing I would tell you to cross shop it with is the Century Arms AP5-P, which is the 5.75" MP5-K clone from Turkey. Looks like its around $1075 in cart at a few places. I have a full size MP5 and my buddy has the 8" roller delayed Stribog A3. His suppresses extremely well. Hard to really tell a difference between the two with 147gr subs and a can. If you don't have nostalgia for the MP5 platform and want to save a bit over $250, then it's hard to go wrong with the 'bog SP9A3. Only other option to consider is a CMMG 5" Radial Delay kit for about $340 and roll your own AR9 which will be radial delayed. The CMMG ARC 9mm Pmag conversions are perfect with the RDB kit. @JSchell1309 There are A3, A3G, and A3S variants right now. Is the A3 the only one of those you recommend suppressing? The shorter barrel of the A3S and the magazine compatibility of the A3G both appeal to me. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 11:09:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PlaysWithAtoms: @JSchell1309 There are A3, A3G, and A3S variants right now. Is the A3 the only one of those you recommend suppressing? The shorter barrel of the A3S and the magazine compatibility of the A3G both appeal to me. My first link was to the A3S since the OP said he wanted a 5" barrel. I don't have experience with the 5" personally but my friends 8" A3 is a smooth shooter and suppresses as well as my 8" MP5 clone, as best as we could tell. If you can deal with the length and weight increase, the 8" may be the smoother shooter and quieter suppressed to shooter's ear. Thats essentially how the MP5 and MP5-K stack up to each other. I was mainly trying to say to go for any "3" model as you want roller delayed. Direct blowback isn't worth investing into if you are wanting to suppress. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 11:17:54 PM EDT
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10mm variant...Just waiting for it to arrive at the ffl Wednesday...
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Posted: 12/18/2023 11:19:46 PM EDT
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BT ghm9 sometimes for sale at bereli for 999
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 11:27:58 PM EDT
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Freaking love my stribog. It’s one my favorites to shoot
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USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 11:50:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JSchell1309: My first link was to the A3S since the OP said he wanted a 5" barrel. I don't have experience with the 5" personally but my friends 8" A3 is a smooth shooter and suppresses as well as my 8" MP5 clone, as best as we could tell. If you can deal with the length and weight increase, the 8" may be the smoother shooter and quieter suppressed to shooter's ear. Thats essentially how the MP5 and MP5-K stack up to each other. I was mainly trying to say to go for any "3" model as you want roller delayed. Direct blowback isn't worth investing into if you are wanting to suppress. Thanks for the clarification! |
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Posted: 12/19/2023 7:43:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ChickenDaddy]
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Mp5 clone
Scorpion evo But id like to try a striborg |
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Posted: 12/19/2023 12:31:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Yeah I'm going with the HB folding Zhukov stock for sure. Such a sexy setup. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Also, be sure to get the 40 degree roller, if you are going to suppress. Well, I think I may have gotten both the part name and the numerical value of the angle wrong, not sure - but start researching. It's only a $40 part, but it will slow the roller delay more, for those running supressors with hot ammo. Stribog is currently the best PCC/SMG for under $1k there is; and beats most $2k+ units. MP5 is a neat relic of the past, but the heavy steel construction and lack of last-shot-hold feature, make it a neat 1980's gun surpassed by a 2020's gun. Also, don't get the wire stock (or armbrace). Get the folder. Wire stock's look best in photo's while lusting after it. Less so if you actually plan on running it. Folder is much faster, much more comfy. If you SBR and get the real genuine Stribog stock, it locks into folded position via the little cut-out in the front of the receiver; it's clever. The HB (or whetever) tactical upgraded buffer isn't a bad buy; nor are the upgraded safety selector levers. As to Scorpion -thanks for getting the concept of a non-AR based modern looking 9mm PCC going. You're also obsolete with a primitive action, now that Stribog SP9A3 has entered the scene. Though nod to CZ Scorpion for actually releasing a complete product, vs the embarrassing multi-step Beta-test launch Stribog went through. Sorry to those who got hosed by Grand Power on that deal. There was only about a 1 year window before the ban, when Stribog actually got it right. Up until that time, Scorpion was the better gun. Yeah I'm going with the HB folding Zhukov stock for sure. Such a sexy setup. Try the factory. It's cheap, light, and supports the integrated lock cut on the underside of the reciever. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2023 12:55:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Try the factory. It's cheap, light, and supports the integrated lock cut on the underside of the reciever. Checked it out, but not really my aesthetic to be honest. |
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Posted: 12/19/2023 4:45:53 PM EDT
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I really did not like the first gen Stribog and found it to be relatively cheap feeling overall, but the newer models are a bit nicer. I personally would recommend the B&T GHM9, which can be found for a hair under $1K on occasion. It's a far nicer firearm, smoother and has good support.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2023 6:10:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skullsoldier: I really did not like the first gen Stribog and found it to be relatively cheap feeling overall, but the newer models are a bit nicer. I personally would recommend the B&T GHM9, which can be found for a hair under $1K on occasion. It's a far nicer firearm, smoother and has good support. Really? That's interesting. Haven't really seen anyone see that in the videos of watched. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 11:21:03 PM EDT
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Knowing what I know now and stockpile of scorpion mags
I'd get a stribog a3 with scorpion mag lower |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2024 11:51:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By craig24680: Knowing what I know now and stockpile of scorpion mags I'd get a stribog a3 with scorpion mag lower That’s what I did. Best 9MM PCC setup out there IMO. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 11:55:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: That’s what I did. Best 9MM PCC setup out there IMO. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Originally Posted By craig24680: Knowing what I know now and stockpile of scorpion mags I'd get a stribog a3 with scorpion mag lower That’s what I did. Best 9MM PCC setup out there IMO. Or just run the latest gen. curved Stribog mags. But sure, nothing wrong with that path. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:00:06 AM EDT
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AP5 is better for suppression.
I have the AP5, AP5-P, Stribog A1 and Stribog A3. Suppressed is definitely better with the AP5 varients. IMO the A3 still opens too early and has some port pop. I really like the bang for buck with the Stribog A1. Great shooter for the money. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:00:31 AM EDT
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MKE AP-5
Evo Skorpion Stribog Colt 9mm carbine |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:11:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Slimjim: Also check out the Matador arms Montgo or Mat-9, kinda like a Stribog crossed with an AR-15. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49519/IMG_5022_jpeg-3061662.JPG Not recommended for full auto. 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:30:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Slimjim: Also check out the Matador arms Montgo or Mat-9, kinda like a Stribog crossed with an AR-15. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49519/IMG_5022_jpeg-3061662.JPG THEY used to make cz 75 mag adapters too |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:32:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Lmao maybe Scorpion can be in the running once they make a real 9MM sub gun (IE: roller delayed). Until then....nah. exactly! wtf is this blowback, $800 hipoint clone !? i wanted one, but then they showed up, and dont have a locked or delayed breech, so i skipped it. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:33:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: AP5 is better for suppression. I have the AP5, AP5-P, Stribog A1 and Stribog A3. Suppressed is definitely better with the AP5 varients. IMO the A3 still opens too early and has some port pop. I really like the bang for buck with the Stribog A1. Great shooter for the money. What angle roller weight are you using on the Stribog? The US marked one? There are actually 3. US - open easy on weak ammo (Factory) - unmarked, for real ammo And a surpressed verson with a sharp angle for suppressed gun usage (this one is hard to find) If you are running US marked one, while suppressed - then yea, I bet that didn't go well. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:58:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: What angle roller weight are you using on the Stribog? The US marked one? There are actually 3. US - open easy on weak ammo (Factory) - unmarked, for real ammo And a surpressed verson with a sharp angle for suppressed gun usage (this one is hard to find) If you are running US marked one, while suppressed - then yea, I bet that didn't go well.  It's probably the US or the Factory one. I'll have to go look for the Suppressed roller weight. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2024 8:05:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TactiCoolBro]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: AP5 is better for suppression. I have the AP5, AP5-P, Stribog A1 and Stribog A3. Suppressed is definitely better with the AP5 varients. IMO the A3 still opens too early and has some port pop. I really like the bang for buck with the Stribog A1. Great shooter for the money. With the 40 degree roller block it’s every bit as soft as an MP5 suppressed. Setup correctly, there’s not a single thing about an MP5 that’s better than the Stribog. If the MP5 didn’t have this strange cult following for being so iconic, people would finally start calling it out for the outdated relic it really is. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 10:37:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: With the 40 degree roller block it's every bit as sioft as an MP5 suppressed. Setup correctly, there's not a single thing about an MP5 that's better than the Stribog. If the MP5 didn't have this strange cult following for being so iconic, people would finally start calling it out for the outdated relic it really is. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2024 11:02:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Any good US websites to order the 40 degree roller block from? I emailed Global Ordnance and told them I’m running the gun 100% suppressed only and asked about buying a 40 degree. Guy replied back and said what’s your address, I’ll have one sent to you. $0.00 and 3 days later I had it. Global’s customer support is absolutely 10/10. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:35:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: I emailed Global Ordnance and told them I’m running the gun 100% suppressed only and asked about buying a 40 degree. Guy replied back and said what’s your address, I’ll have one sent to you. $0.00 and 3 days later I had it. Global’s customer support is absolutely 10/10. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Any good US websites to order the 40 degree roller block from? I emailed Global Ordnance and told them I’m running the gun 100% suppressed only and asked about buying a 40 degree. Guy replied back and said what’s your address, I’ll have one sent to you. $0.00 and 3 days later I had it. Global’s customer support is absolutely 10/10. Well shit, I ordered mine from Estonia. Good site actually, I didn't know they did IDPA/USPCA there. Didn't know GO would just send one for free. Even better - that's awesome! |
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USA
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:17:12 PM EDT
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Can I get someone with a 40 degree piece and an MP5 clone to report on suppressed quality?
I only to hear from someone that actually has both. I've been down this road so many times and been lied to so many times (lol B&T fanboys). Thanks |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:22:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By new21022: Can I get someone with a 40 degree piece and an MP5 clone to report on suppressed quality? I only to hear from someone that actually has both. I've been down this road so many times and been lied to so many times (lol B&T fanboys). Thanks Ah B&T. The new US Army submachine gun that's so great the US Army ordered 315 of them. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:10:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By new21022: Can I get someone with a 40 degree piece and an MP5 clone to report on suppressed quality? I only to hear from someone that actually has both. I've been down this road so many times and been lied to so many times (lol B&T fanboys). Thanks I’ve only shot an MP5 unsuppressed and it’s been a while. But I don’t remember it being any softer than my unsuppressed A3… In some of the FB groups I’m in, guys who own both or have access to both via friends, etc say that they can’t tell a difference between the two. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:48:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: I've only shot an MP5 unsuppressed and it's been a while. But I don't remember it being any softer than my unsuppressed A3 In some of the FB groups I'm in, guys who own both or have access to both via friends, etc say that they can't tell a difference between the two. It's the sound suppressed that's better from the mp5. Hopefully I can get one of the 40 degree locking blocks soon and be able to compare the sound after the change. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 9:16:36 PM EDT
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I have both. The MP5 is softer, it is heavier and has a lighter bolt carrier.
Stribog:  Attached FileMp5k:  Attached FileThat said, the Stribog has better ergos, bolt hold open, mine takes scorpion mags (I use cheap PSA mags), better trigger. Much easier to clean and field strip, it's lighter. I cut my.barrel down and threaded it so it has the shortest barrel with a full rail. Some downsides are the stock mags suck, some issues early on with frame rail peening (doesn't seem to show up anymore that I've seen). Also imported vs domestic produced (PTR is the best clone). For the mp5k, I use kci mags and they seem fine. The mp5k is shorter, although the sp9a3s might be close or a tad shorter. You have to decide what you want/need/like. Make a pros and cons list.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 10:58:40 PM EDT
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Buy both.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 11:03:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Buy both.  Attached File Attached File |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 12:24:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Ah B&T. The new US Army submachine gun that's so great the US Army ordered 315 of them. To be fair the amount of smgs they field is relatively low, it's a niche weapon. They are not going to hand them out to everyone. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 10:00:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Collect them all! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/1000000877_jpg-3099181.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/1000005955_jpg-3099182.JPG  Attached File |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 3:59:55 PM EDT
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 The M(ag)P(ul)5--AP5 Review No experience with the Stibog but my AP5 is ridiculously quiet suppressed with subs. Hard to imagine the Bog being any quieter. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 8:03:18 AM EDT
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Man, I want to see more Stribogs with the A3 Tactical Scorpion-mag lower. I am so tempted to pick up an A3 and do the conversion...I really don't need another braced pistol, but I'm just so tempted!
I can find the A3 with 8" barrel in stock, but not the shorter 5" barrel I prefer...any preferences from the ARFCOM hive mind? ROCK6 |
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