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Posted: 11/28/2019 3:03:58 AM EDT
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Op asked for a size comparison the the MP5K. https://i.imgur.com/mlVDvB4h.jpg https://i.imgur.com/W4zo1RVh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dlXS22Dh.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Op asked for a size comparison the the MP5K. https://i.imgur.com/mlVDvB4h.jpg https://i.imgur.com/W4zo1RVh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dlXS22Dh.jpg Quoted:
TP9 with a the sliding brace is about as close as you can get at the moment. There was a company that was considering doing a MP7 clone in 5.7, but they abandoned the project. Quoted: It’s so big and chunky, not to mention the open bolt operating system, but it’s as close as I’ll probably ever get to an MP7. I had the collapsible stock but sold it. I really prefer the side folder. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/236406/94C26983-E9B5-48D0-8CE3-AC967C7CEDD3_jpeg-1166714.JPG Quoted: TP9 is excellent and the TP9 suppressor is one of the most quiet 9mm suppressors I have ever shot. And it’s not proprietary with the addition of the 3lug adapter. Go for it |
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Posted: 11/28/2019 11:02:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TP9 is excellent and the TP9 suppressor is one of the most quiet 9mm suppressors I have ever shot. And it’s not proprietary with the addition of the 3lug adapter. Go for it |
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Posted: 11/28/2019 11:03:43 AM EDT
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@tranzformer
FYI there’s currently a LNIB TP9 on EE here for $1600 shipped or $1500 FTF. Probably won’t last long. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/BandT-Tp9/88-1935850/#top |
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Posted: 11/28/2019 11:08:26 AM EDT
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is it quick and easy to swap back and forth from tp9 to 3lug? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: TP9 is excellent and the TP9 suppressor is one of the most quiet 9mm suppressors I have ever shot. And it’s not proprietary with the addition of the 3lug adapter. Go for it  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/28/2019 11:18:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: is it quick and easy to swap back and forth from tp9 to 3lug? |
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Posted: 11/28/2019 2:49:04 PM EDT
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@tranzformer FYI there’s currently a LNIB TP9 on EE here for $1600 shipped or $1500 FTF. Probably won’t last long. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/BandT-Tp9/88-1935850/#top |
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Posted: 11/28/2019 6:10:06 PM EDT
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ok ill bite. other than mag in grip how are the mp7 and the tp9 the same? black? plastic?
the mp7s can be rented in wichita at Thunderbird Academy... i think... i have some i got from academy during obammy years that i bought on a whim... other than that, just get anything else if you want an MP7, but it wont be an mp7 for many reasons |
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Posted: 12/2/2019 12:27:21 AM EDT
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It kills me to think I sold a TP9 around 2010-2011, for like $700. Man, I wish I'd held onto that. I never even shot it between when I bought it and when I thinned out the herd and sold it
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Posted: 12/3/2019 1:26:54 AM EDT
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ok ill bite. other than mag in grip how are the mp7 and the tp9 the same? black? plastic? Having shot both side by side at a FA Rental range in Miami, they are also both shockingly controllable. No problem putting 4-5rd bursts into a palm sized group at 10 yards with either with no prior experience shooting them. 
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Posted: 12/21/2019 11:59:50 AM EDT
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I have no real substance to add to this discussion other than to point out that an MP7 is larger than a TP9 or even an MP5K.
I am trying to find a machinist to make me a 30% reduced scale AR in 5.7. Basically a knock off KAC PDW. Too much plastic to make a one off MP7, so this is the best PDW idea I have to date. |
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Posted: 12/22/2019 8:17:24 PM EDT
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I’ve only handled an MP7, but, was surprised at how dense it was. Not unbalanced or unwieldy, but, much more substantial than I expected.
The factory B&T sliding braced adapter with the Tailhook is very solid and arguably better to shoot than the factory folding stock. It does add much weight to what was meant to be a light platform. I added the Adapter Laser light BT: 30120 to balance it out a bit and because she already gained so much weight with the brace setup. |
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Posted: 12/22/2019 8:48:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are modern, magazine in grip, primarily polymer, PDW's. They are pretty much the only 2 modern mag in grip PDW's on the market, making the comparison natural. Having shot both side by side at a FA Rental range in Miami, they are also both shockingly controllable. No problem putting 4-5rd bursts into a palm sized group at 10 yards with either with no prior experience shooting them. http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/MP9%20MP7%201.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/bcf91e93935e36fc0ba9af8bb64230ba/tumblr_pms9mpDU6G1qc0pnjo1_1280.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: They are modern, magazine in grip, primarily polymer, PDW's. They are pretty much the only 2 modern mag in grip PDW's on the market, making the comparison natural. Having shot both side by side at a FA Rental range in Miami, they are also both shockingly controllable. No problem putting 4-5rd bursts into a palm sized group at 10 yards with either with no prior experience shooting them. http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/MP9%20MP7%201.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/bcf91e93935e36fc0ba9af8bb64230ba/tumblr_pms9mpDU6G1qc0pnjo1_1280.jpg Have starting this thread and reading about the MP9/TP9, I think I need one in my life. I haven't been able to find anything else at the moment that interests me like the B&T or would serve its function quite like it can and would. I need to start saving up for it. Quoted:
The factory B&T sliding braced adapter with the Tailhook is very solid and arguably better to shoot than the factory folding stock. It does add much weight to what was meant to be a light platform. I added the Adapter Laser light BT: 30120 to balance it out a bit and because she already gained so much weight with the brace setup. |
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Posted: 12/28/2019 11:44:15 PM EDT
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Another option, but it may take months to get your hands on one. Flux MP17
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Posted: 12/29/2019 10:40:32 AM EDT
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I've always liked my B&T TP9-N but I would trade it in a nano second to get a HK MP7. The MP7 is about the only gun left on my grail list that I have not gotten to own yet. I know you can own one with a SOT but that is just not the route I want to go at this point. I guess until then my TP9-N will just have to do...
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Posted: 1/3/2020 5:37:42 PM EDT
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Both of those are great looking guns. Just something about them for me, they speak to me. haha Have starting this thread and reading about the MP9/TP9, I think I need one in my life. I haven't been able to find anything else at the moment that interests me like the B&T or would serve its function quite like it can and would. I need to start saving up for it. @FADALdude, I am curious what you mean by this if you don't mind expanding on that a little more. Are you referencing to the greater surface area of the Tailhook brace being larger than the factory folding stock = more contact area and more solid as a result? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: They are modern, magazine in grip, primarily polymer, PDW's. They are pretty much the only 2 modern mag in grip PDW's on the market, making the comparison natural. Having shot both side by side at a FA Rental range in Miami, they are also both shockingly controllable. No problem putting 4-5rd bursts into a palm sized group at 10 yards with either with no prior experience shooting them. http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/MP9%20MP7%201.jpg https://66.media.tumblr.com/bcf91e93935e36fc0ba9af8bb64230ba/tumblr_pms9mpDU6G1qc0pnjo1_1280.jpg Have starting this thread and reading about the MP9/TP9, I think I need one in my life. I haven't been able to find anything else at the moment that interests me like the B&T or would serve its function quite like it can and would. I need to start saving up for it. Quoted:
The factory B&T sliding braced adapter with the Tailhook is very solid and arguably better to shoot than the factory folding stock. It does add much weight to what was meant to be a light platform. I added the Adapter Laser light BT: 30120 to balance it out a bit and because she already gained so much weight with the brace setup. But, the LOP is short because of the ATF Brace LOP minimums and the trunnion bulges in the receiver. This means you need to make sure your nose doesn’t get kissed by the stock latch button. And this thing is a heavy beast which completely kills the advantage of weight the TP9 with factory stock brings to the table. Because the weight was already overboard and the TP9 was no longer holster-able I added the old “Adapter Light Laser” to the three lug. It really is perfect to with a BCM short angled grip. Of no real use but interesting to note is that the telescopic Tailhook is actually useable if you want to run the TP9 like Mega Man. ETA: The first generation flat bolt release found on Steyr SPPs and DS Arms TP9s is unusable when the brace is collapsed. The current round second generation has better functionality. But, it’s a ~$20.00 part and an upgrade. |
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Posted: 1/4/2020 2:15:10 AM EDT
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I love my TP9, there's really nothing out there that fills the role better. I'd steer you away from a CMR30. I've owned one and shot some others, none ran reliably. I imagine chopping the barrel down is just gonna make things even worse.
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Posted: 1/16/2020 9:25:55 PM EDT
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Who's got the best deal on TP9 suppressors? And how about those adaptors for three lugs?
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Posted: 1/16/2020 9:32:10 PM EDT
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Who's got the best deal on TP9 suppressors? And how about those adaptors for three lugs? |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 7:03:26 PM EDT
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So .... to bump a slightly aged thread
Can you put a Lage Max11 upper on one of Masterpiece's MPA 30s? |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 7:56:37 PM EDT
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So .... to bump a slightly aged thread Can you put a Lage Max11 upper on one of Masterpiece's MPA 30s? http://www.max-11.com/MAX11S.html |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 10:40:00 PM EDT
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The Lage does support several MPA models. There is a list of supported models at: http://www.max-11.com/MAX11S.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So .... to bump a slightly aged thread Can you put a Lage Max11 upper on one of Masterpiece's MPA 30s? http://www.max-11.com/MAX11S.html |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 10:45:09 PM EDT
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 I think an SBR CMR-30 would be a reasonable facsimile in performance and size |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 11:37:49 PM EDT
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Well boom. Now all that's needed is an adapter for a tailhook brace |
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Posted: 2/11/2020 11:32:39 PM EDT
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I too have wanted something to scratch that itch and have almost pulled the trigger on the keltec a couple of times.
I wish I had a mill as i'd try and make my own 
I figured with modified parts one could use a 2.5x1.25x.125" aluminum tubing, to build a slick locking bolt, piston driven, mag through grip fed gun...chambered in this little guy 
fit's in 9mm length mags (1.16 COAL) so far doing 2230 ft/sec with a 34gr bullet from a 5.2" barrel (30gr v-max pictured) still a work in progress but it's looking like 30's will do 2400+ ft/sec |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 2:35:14 AM EDT
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That's a really interesting cartridge, what is it?
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Posted: 2/12/2020 1:19:58 PM EDT
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That's a really interesting cartridge, what is it? Here's the story and progression if interested. 22 Adder |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 12:23:10 PM EDT
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Maybe this will work? CustomSmith Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well boom. Now all that's needed is an adapter for a tailhook brace |
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Posted: 2/17/2020 12:26:49 PM EDT
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I’ve decided I’m getting a TP9. I’m going to buy the suppressor first. I’ll keep my eyes open for a good deal on a TP9 while waiting on the stamp.
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Posted: 2/20/2020 6:25:33 PM EDT
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I’ve decided I’m getting a TP9. I’m going to buy the suppressor first. I’ll keep my eyes open for a good deal on a TP9 while waiting on the stamp. |
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Posted: 2/20/2020 8:12:44 PM EDT
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How much for your can?
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Posted: 2/20/2020 9:00:36 PM EDT
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The Lage does support several MPA models. There is a list of supported models at: http://www.max-11.com/MAX11S.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So .... to bump a slightly aged thread Can you put a Lage Max11 upper on one of Masterpiece's MPA 30s? http://www.max-11.com/MAX11S.html |
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Posted: 2/20/2020 9:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My TP9N is the worst suppressor host I've ever shot. Definitely skip the can, if not the whole platform. |
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Posted: 2/20/2020 9:43:58 PM EDT
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My TP9N is the worst suppressor host I've ever shot. Definitely skip the can, if not the whole platform. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I’ve decided I’m getting a TP9. I’m going to buy the suppressor first. I’ll keep my eyes open for a good deal on a TP9 while waiting on the stamp. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 11:44:55 AM EDT
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Assuming you own the TP9 suppressor, why do you say that and what are you comparing it to? I think very highly of it and wish my other PCCs suppressed as well It's disappointing because it's so great without a can. However, half the appeal of PCCs for me is suppressing them. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 1:17:45 PM EDT
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Assuming you own the TP9 suppressor, why do you say that and what are you comparing it to? I think very highly of it and wish my other PCCs suppressed as well |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 1:22:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would be interested in buying your TP9N and BT suppressor. It's a shame because it's really a cool firearm. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 7:23:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My TP9N is the worst suppressor host I've ever shot. Definitely skip the can, if not the whole platform. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 9:29:08 PM EDT
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Is it at least quiet? The backpressure isn't just gassy, it's also noisy. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 9:36:15 PM EDT
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I agree it's a pretty bad host. Not the worst but up there. Extremely gassy. It's disappointing because it's so great without a can. However, half the appeal of PCCs for me is suppressing them.
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:16:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since you quoted me first, can I get a good deal on it? |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 9:21:22 AM EDT
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Following MAC's videos on the TP9, during all his reviews I have never heard him mention it being gassy or him getting gassed out. And that's something he usually comments on when he has that issue with a gun.
 How does the B&T TP9 suppress? What is this Steyr SPP thing? |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 12:06:19 PM EDT
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l do have blowback issues if the suppressor has any residual oils or is wet. I used to clean out the mount areas, etc., with CLP and found that made the blowback much more noticeable. This led me to take a little extra time to make sure the suppressor interior is dry.
I can see how people could have different experiences with the suppressor based on whether there is any content mixed in with the displaced air (plus other factors like wind direction). |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 12:42:59 PM EDT
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Following MAC's videos on the TP9, during all his reviews I have never heard him mention it being gassy or him getting gassed out. And that's something he usually comments on when he has that issue with a gun.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0UmxKqnRwgAll I can tell you is that I've got a lot of hosts and silencers, this ain't a great one. And that's with a variety of different ammo, run with the can and mount dry. It is a fantastic gun unsuppressed, but even that is subjective. Plenty of guys can't get over the trigger. |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 9:57:39 PM EDT
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And there is a guy in the TP9 thread who swears his setup has no blowback yet has a youtube video with tons of visible gas. People are funny with guns they have spent $3,000 on. Besides, MAC is likely getting some benefits out of B&T. Hell they hosted him in Switzerland... All I can tell you is that I've got a lot of hosts and silencers, this ain't a great one. And that's with a variety of different ammo, run with the can and mount dry. It is a fantastic gun unsuppressed, but even that is subjective. Plenty of guys can't get over the trigger. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 9:18:12 AM EDT
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Least gassy gun, ok LOL. Anyway I have put PPU 158 through it, still gassy.
But maybe I just need to try wearing a hat, to direct the gas over my head. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 12:57:00 PM EDT
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Have wanted a H&K MP7 for some time but that won't work for me. Is the B&T TP9 the only other option that is somewhat similar? Anything else out there? The coming 2020 glock brace may also be a good option for you as well. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 5:13:02 PM EDT
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Least gassy gun, ok LOL. Anyway I have put PPU 158 through it, still gassy. But maybe I just need to try wearing a hat, to direct the gas over my head. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 5:49:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally found the telescopic Tailhook adapter to be more comfortable than the factory stock as you don’t get as much cheek slap (not an issue with me), the balance of the gun gets shifted noticeably to the rear, and the Tailhook actually is good at disturbutimf the recoil. The machining is beautiful and it should be for the price. But, the LOP is short because of the ATF Brace LOP minimums and the trunnion bulges in the receiver. This means you need to make sure your nose doesn’t get kissed by the stock latch button. And this thing is a heavy beast which completely kills the advantage of weight the TP9 with factory stock brings to the table. Because the weight was already overboard and the TP9 was no longer holster-able I added the old “Adapter Light Laser” to the three lug. It really is perfect to with a BCM short angled grip. Of no real use but interesting to note is that the telescopic Tailhook is actually useable if you want to run the TP9 like Mega Man. ETA: The first generation flat bolt release found on Steyr SPPs and DS Arms TP9s is unusable when the brace is collapsed. The current round second generation has better functionality. But, it’s a ~$20.00 part and an upgrade. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 5:50:47 PM EDT
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Was thinking collapsible, rather than foldable |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 6:15:13 PM EDT
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And there is a guy in the TP9 thread who swears his setup has no blowback yet has a youtube video with tons of visible gas. People are funny with guns they have spent $3,000 on. Besides, MAC is likely getting some benefits out of B&T. Hell they hosted him in Switzerland... All I can tell you is that I've got a lot of hosts and silencers, this ain't a great one. And that's with a variety of different ammo, run with the can and mount dry. It is a fantastic gun unsuppressed, but even that is subjective. Plenty of guys can't get over the trigger. Quoted: Depends on how close to that you want to be. Personally, I went for a USW-A1 and USW-Glock conversion to fill that PDW role. The A1 is more of a holsterable handgun that can be used as a carbine, the Glock conversion is more of a PDW sized weapon in size. The coming 2020 glock brace may also be a good option for you as well. |
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