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Posted: 5/4/2026 10:01:48 AM EDT
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| The new director of the ATF submitted 30+ changes related one of which was #15. Engraving receivers on SBRs. I read conflicting information regarding the engraving requirements for approved form 1s that it is for factory SBRs and not manufactured (I.e. self submitted). I just had 2 approved form 1s and was wondering if the change to no longer require engraving has gone into effect or is still pending approval. |
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Originally Posted By willi3d: And it's likely to be months away. First they have to be published in the Federal Register for a comment period (usually 90 days), and I don't think they've even been published yet, so the clock for approval hasn't even started yet.  Their normal stuff goes pretty good and easy but I am NEVER EVER doing a F1 through them again. |
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Originally Posted By bluedog82: Nothing has taken effect yet. Factory SBRs already don’t have to be engraved; this proposed rule removes the need to engrave firearms that already have a serial number, like an AR lower. Attached File Remember, it is only pinky swear not actual Federal Rule yet. It is was the lefts' heads are exploding on the massive AFTE rework on the 34 things they want to make things more efficient. |
| How many are going to wait for the rule to take effect? I’ve got a Form 1 currently at 55 days and thinking that if I get it back in the next couple of weeks, I’ll just wait a few more months to “make” it so I don’t have to get it engraved. I can survive running it with a brace for a couple of more months. |
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Originally Posted By willi3d: How many are going to wait for the rule to take effect? I’ve got a Form 1 currently at 55 days and thinking that if I get it back in the next couple of weeks, I’ll just wait a few more months to “make” it so I don’t have to get it engraved. I can survive running it with a brace for a couple of more months. I have 5 F1's recently approved. I am in no hurry to put stocks on them as I already have a few. Plus I have a couple braces to throw on them if I want to run them. So I am gonna wait to see how it plays out. |
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Originally Posted By mattdoc: If this rule goes through, does that mean approved F1s from before the rule that haven't been made yet will not need engraving? Or only F1s that are approved after the new rule? My take is that it’s not a SBR until it’s made and subject to the requirements at the time it’s actually made, not when the paperwork to make it is approved. |
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Originally Posted By willi3d: My take is that it’s not a SBR until it’s made and subject to the requirements at the time it’s actually made, not when the paperwork to make it is approved. Originally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By mattdoc: If this rule goes through, does that mean approved F1s from before the rule that haven't been made yet will not need engraving? Or only F1s that are approved after the new rule? My take is that it’s not a SBR until it’s made and subject to the requirements at the time it’s actually made, not when the paperwork to make it is approved. I’d guess the above will be the answer, but we won’t know for sure until the new rule is published. |
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Originally Posted By Johnelmer87: I believe that identifying the MAKER AND LOCATION Will still be required. The manufacturer is Not the maker. You can adopt the manufacturer, importer , caliber and serial number.. You always could do that, so that’s not a change. If you read the text and discussion of the proposed rule in the FR, it’s pretty clear that the intent is to do away with the requirement to additionally engrave the maker’s information if the receiver already has proper manufacturer’s information. |
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Originally Posted By Johnelmer87: I believe that identifying the MAKER AND LOCATION Will still be required. The manufacturer is Not the maker. You can adopt the manufacturer, importer , caliber and serial number.. I was skeptical as well when it first was announced, but was happy to say I was wrong after reading the full rule. |
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Originally Posted By willi3d: My take is that it’s not a SBR until it’s made and subject to the requirements at the time it’s actually made, not when the paperwork to make it is approved. Originally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By mattdoc: If this rule goes through, does that mean approved F1s from before the rule that haven't been made yet will not need engraving? Or only F1s that are approved after the new rule? My take is that it’s not a SBR until it’s made and subject to the requirements at the time it’s actually made, not when the paperwork to make it is approved. That is my opinion as well. |
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Originally Posted By LongTrang: I just received my latest F1 and it stipulated a reminder that the lower must be engraved. I received my approved SBS paper Form 1 yesterday. There was no noted stipulation that engraving was required. I'm of the same opinion that the rule in force at the time of making holds precedence. |
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Originally Posted By Johnelmer87: I believe that identifying the MAKER AND LOCATION Will still be required. The manufacturer is Not the maker. You can adopt the manufacturer, importer , caliber and serial number.. This is also not what the proposed rule says. |
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| With the latest ruling on the NFA, One could argue that essential the NFA no longer exists for Suppressors, SBR's and SBS's for those that are covered. So, a covered individual who installs a barrel shorter than 16" isn't making anything. For them, SBRs no longer exist. Also, unless you're creating a lower from scratch, you're not the original maker. So, no additional engraving should be needed. |
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: who is covered ? https://help.silencershop.com/en/articles/16387894-nfa-ruling-faq-how-suppressor-purchases-work-now |
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Originally Posted By CoyoteGray: https://help.silencershop.com/en/articles/16387894-nfa-ruling-faq-how-suppressor-purchases-work-now Originally Posted By CoyoteGray: Originally Posted By BSOG1: who is covered ? https://help.silencershop.com/en/articles/16387894-nfa-ruling-faq-how-suppressor-purchases-work-now That article doesn’t cover an individual making their own SBR/SBS. If that’s what @BSOG1 is referring to? In that case, its my understanding that making your own SBR/SBS is a two part answer. There’s making the item, then determining (as of now), whether or not you are required to engrave it. Its been explained numerous times in the big thread in GD (edit: go to top of page 113): https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Federal-Court-Strikes-Down-NFA-Registration-on-untaxed-firearms/5-2853946/ This thread has a good summary: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Let-s-See-If-This-Works-New-NFA-Injunction-Thread-Facts-Only/5-2855639/ |
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Originally Posted By willi3d: How many are going to wait for the rule to take effect? I’ve got a Form 1 currently at 55 days and thinking that if I get it back in the next couple of weeks, I’ll just wait a few more months to “make” it so I don’t have to get it engraved. I can survive running it with a brace for a couple of more months. Engraving is so small, nobody will even see it, unless you feel the need to brag on yourself. Plus, nobody cares anyway. |
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Originally Posted By JKH62: Strange, I did an SBR & SBS, both approved without conditions to engrave. Regardless of if it's there or not on your form, at this time you do still need to engrave. Hopefully the rule ending it is finalized soon. |
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