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[#1]
I wouldn't be happy with that.
Call back and see if you can get a different rep on the line. If not, post on their social media pages and see if the squeaky wheel gets the oil. |
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[#2]
I've owned several tavors (no x95's, only a t7 now) and I wouldn't be happy about that either.
That having been said, he's probably right. It probably isn't a piece that matters. |
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[#3]
Quoted: I wouldn't be happy with that. Call back and see if you can get a different rep on the line. If not, post on their social media pages and see if the squeaky wheel gets the oil. View Quote This. There's no excuse for them not fixing the rifle and giving you such a BS brushoff. It doesn't matter what the IDF does, *YOUR* rifle has a broken part and under warranty they are obligated to fix it (so long as you didn't cause the issue, which you didn't). I would give them one more chance to do the right thing and then, if they don't, as you end the call explain that you're going public with the issue and that you gave them a second chance. Then hang up. Insure they have your phone # and wait half an hour. If they don't call back, then they deserve to reap what they've sown. |
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[#4]
Hmmm my iwi customer service experience is a little better then yours. Called because two lugs on the bolt on my tavor 7 were chipped. They told me I have to send the whole rifle into them to get fixed. Send it to them in the nice factory box with the laser cut padded foam. Hear nothing for two weeks. I call them and they can’t tell me if my rifle is even there or not. Call again a week later and they said it will ship back to me next day. Ask what was wrong and what they did to fix it. They couldn’t tell me that ether. Said paper work would be in the box. Get the box from them and it’s just thrown in a random box with a little bit of bubble wrap around it. Not my nice original box I sent it in. No paperwork.
Looks like they just replaced the bolt and sent it back. New bolt is starting to wear exactly like the old one did. So I guess nothing was “fixed”. |
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[#5]
Yikes… I mean, at least you were allowed to send your rifle in!
Honestly, reading your story and some other stories from forums and the BBB, I’d just want them to send me the parts and I’ll take care of it. Not sure I can even trust their service. Quoted: Hmmm my iwi customer service experience is a little better then yours. Called because two lugs on the bolt on my tavor 7 were chipped. They told me I have to send the whole rifle into them to get fixed. Send it to them in the nice factory box with the laser cut padded foam. Hear nothing for two weeks. I call them and they can’t tell me if my rifle is even there or not. Call again a week later and they said it will ship back to me next day. Ask what was wrong and what they did to fix it. They couldn’t tell me that ether. Said paper work would be in the box. Get the box from them and it’s just thrown in a random box with a little bit of bubble wrap around it. Not my nice original box I sent it in. No paperwork. Looks like they just replaced the bolt and sent it back. New bolt is starting to wear exactly like the old one did. So I guess nothing was “fixed”. View Quote |
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[#6]
It's been known that IWI doesn't have the greatest CS. I tried out the Tavor and the X95 when those were first introduced but I still prefered the AUG, hence I didn't own them for very long.
I did get two of their ZION rifles, but unfortunately (even though the handguard is a CMT) IWI decided to use a proprietary barrel nut, for which they do not sell the wrench. I decided to trade those two in for an additional AUG |
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[#8]
Quoted: Hmmm my iwi customer service experience is a little better then yours. Called because two lugs on the bolt on my tavor 7 were chipped. They told me I have to send the whole rifle into them to get fixed. Send it to them in the nice factory box with the laser cut padded foam. Hear nothing for two weeks. I call them and they can’t tell me if my rifle is even there or not. Call again a week later and they said it will ship back to me next day. Ask what was wrong and what they did to fix it. They couldn’t tell me that ether. Said paper work would be in the box. Get the box from them and it’s just thrown in a random box with a little bit of bubble wrap around it. Not my nice original box I sent it in. No paperwork. Looks like they just replaced the bolt and sent it back. New bolt is starting to wear exactly like the old one did. So I guess nothing was “fixed”. View Quote When I sent mine in they were pretty upfront that if I sent it in a case they would send it back in a box so don’t send a case or any accessories in. Still sent in a cheaper hard box to avoid other damage. Mine cost 300 to fix I think, but it’s been awhile. That said the box vs case issue was in the paperwork. That said the time was almost twice what was quoted. |
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[#9]
I just wish I got my damn box back. Now if I ever decide to sell it I don’t have its box it goes in.
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Quoted: When I sent mine in they were pretty upfront that if I sent it in a case they would send it back in a box so don’t send a case or any accessories in. Still sent in a cheaper hard box to avoid other damage. Mine cost 300 to fix I think, but it’s been awhile. That said the box vs case issue was in the paperwork. That said the time was almost twice what was quoted. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hmmm my iwi customer service experience is a little better then yours. Called because two lugs on the bolt on my tavor 7 were chipped. They told me I have to send the whole rifle into them to get fixed. Send it to them in the nice factory box with the laser cut padded foam. Hear nothing for two weeks. I call them and they can’t tell me if my rifle is even there or not. Call again a week later and they said it will ship back to me next day. Ask what was wrong and what they did to fix it. They couldn’t tell me that ether. Said paper work would be in the box. Get the box from them and it’s just thrown in a random box with a little bit of bubble wrap around it. Not my nice original box I sent it in. No paperwork. Looks like they just replaced the bolt and sent it back. New bolt is starting to wear exactly like the old one did. So I guess nothing was “fixed”. When I sent mine in they were pretty upfront that if I sent it in a case they would send it back in a box so don’t send a case or any accessories in. Still sent in a cheaper hard box to avoid other damage. Mine cost 300 to fix I think, but it’s been awhile. That said the box vs case issue was in the paperwork. That said the time was almost twice what was quoted. I sent it in the factory cardboard box with the form fitting laser cut foam. Wasn’t anything fancy. It came back in a random box with one layer of bubble wrap. Box was over sized so it would rattle around quite a bit. |
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[#11]
Hit up Jeremy Gresham, he’s the Director of Sales and Marketing at IWI US. Never had any problems with IMI/IWI customer service. You can usually find him on the Facebook Galil/x95 pages. And on this forum occasionally. Super good guy to deal with and should be able to get you sorted out.
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[#12]
Goodwill goes a long way. A forty dollar part to you doesn't cost them forty dollars. I figure, there are 3 possibilities: you broke it unknowingly (something hit it in just the right way), it was defective from the get go or damaged by the tech who assembled the gun, or you are lying. Either way, it's not worth the hurt feelings of the customer. I think a better solution could have been found. Too often people look for a reason to say no. Look for a reason to say yes. I own multiples of several different guns. A good experience can mean more sales, a bad experience can mean many no sales when posted online.
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[#13]
Quoted: It's been known that IWI doesn't have the greatest CS. View Quote This doesn't surprise me as their sales team pretty was far, far less than mediocre whenever I've interacted with them. They rather BS among themselves than interact with potential customers who have questions about their products...and this is in their own backyard of Harrisburg. I really want to like IWI; I think they have intriguing products, but each time I've been present to ask them questions I've been ignored. When it comes to product quality, CS, and Tech support, a company can exist if any one of the three is sub par; just look at how MSAR limped along. But with two being less than good...it's name and nationality. |
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[#14]
Thank you so much for the suggestion.
I sent him a message to see his opinion on the situation. Quoted: Hit up Jeremy Gresham, he’s the Director of Sales and Marketing at IWI US. Never had any problems with IMI/IWI customer service. You can usually find him on the Facebook Galil/x95 pages. And on this forum occasionally. Super good guy to deal with and should be able to get you sorted out. View Quote |
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[#15]
That sucks, IWI has always had great CS for the few times I needed them. Hope it gets sorted out for you.
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[#16]
I’d like to know where this is “known”. The amount of positive feedback I get about my CS crushes any negative.
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Quoted: Hmmm my iwi customer service experience is a little better then yours. Called because two lugs on the bolt on my tavor 7 were chipped. They told me I have to send the whole rifle into them to get fixed. Send it to them in the nice factory box with the laser cut padded foam. Hear nothing for two weeks. I call them and they can’t tell me if my rifle is even there or not. Call again a week later and they said it will ship back to me next day. Ask what was wrong and what they did to fix it. They couldn’t tell me that ether. Said paper work would be in the box. Get the box from them and it’s just thrown in a random box with a little bit of bubble wrap around it. Not my nice original box I sent it in. No paperwork. Looks like they just replaced the bolt and sent it back. New bolt is starting to wear exactly like the old one did. So I guess nothing was “fixed”. View Quote We you running it suppressed any reasons given to why the bolt chipped? |
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[#23]
Quoted: We you running it suppressed any reasons given to why the bolt chipped? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hmmm my iwi customer service experience is a little better then yours. Called because two lugs on the bolt on my tavor 7 were chipped. They told me I have to send the whole rifle into them to get fixed. Send it to them in the nice factory box with the laser cut padded foam. Hear nothing for two weeks. I call them and they can’t tell me if my rifle is even there or not. Call again a week later and they said it will ship back to me next day. Ask what was wrong and what they did to fix it. They couldn’t tell me that ether. Said paper work would be in the box. Get the box from them and it’s just thrown in a random box with a little bit of bubble wrap around it. Not my nice original box I sent it in. No paperwork. Looks like they just replaced the bolt and sent it back. New bolt is starting to wear exactly like the old one did. So I guess nothing was “fixed”. We you running it suppressed any reasons given to why the bolt chipped? I run it suppressed about 98% of the time. But I always use the suppressed setting. If I take the suppressor off and not change the gas back to normal it short strokes. So the regulator is doing its job right. |
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[#24]
The tab that is broken is a common piece that a lot of people break when taking their rifles apart. Its usually a part that is on back order too. That's how many people break them.
Go to Facebook and joint he IWI Owners group. A lot of great guys there and a lot of them work for IWI. I bet within an hour you will have one if not a few of the guys that work there telling you to message them and they will get your rifle fixed and ready to go. Its a good group and a lot of knowledge. |
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[#25]
Quoted: I run it suppressed about 98% of the time. But I always use the suppressed setting. If I take the suppressor off and not change the gas back to normal it short strokes. So the regulator is doing its job right. View Quote Sounds like maybe the Tavor is too sensitive to suppressors I know the scar is as well , |
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[#26]
Quoted: Go to Facebook and joint he IWI Owners group. A lot of great guys there and a lot of them work for IWI. I bet within an hour you will have one if not a few of the guys that work there telling you to message them and they will get your rifle fixed and ready to go. Its a good group and a lot of knowledge. View Quote This shouldn't be necessary. If they can't do it when a customer calls them directly, but can do it "back channel", then either their CS policies are defective or they're not doing their job when they take the call and instead like to look like the hero on social media. I've done CS pretty much for the past 30+ years in one form or another, and if any of my people pulled a stunt like that, they'd be in my office standing tall and doing some explaining. |
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[#30]
Pretty much 99% of the time when this is broken it is because someone was trying to pull the barrel like you said.
Quoted: The tab that is broken is a common piece that a lot of people break when taking their rifles apart. Its usually a part that is on back order too. That's how many people break them. Go to Facebook and joint he IWI Owners group. A lot of great guys there and a lot of them work for IWI. I bet within an hour you will have one if not a few of the guys that work there telling you to message them and they will get your rifle fixed and ready to go. Its a good group and a lot of knowledge. View Quote |
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[#31]
Quoted: Pretty much 99% of the time when this is broken it is because someone was trying to pull the barrel like you said. View Quote Who cares? If people are breaking it, it's a design flaw that IWI needs to address. You guys should be fixing these without back talk. You don't come across as very professional here, if indeed you're the head of CS. |
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[#32]
Update
I’ve been issued a call tag and RMA to return the rifle. I’ll update as things progress but the email I got said repair estimate is 4+ weeks. |
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[#33]
Quoted: Who cares? If people are breaking it, it's a design flaw that IWI needs to address. You guys should be fixing these without back talk. You don't come across as very professional here, if indeed you're the head of CS. View Quote Well said. If it's a known issue, why is the OP being given such a hassle to get it fixed? |
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[#34]
Glad IWI is getting your broken barrel locking pin cover plate issue sorted out. I have the IDF armorers manual, I can assure you, no where in it does it say break off tab to allow for quick barrel changes. LOL
The tab probably got a stress fracture at the factory during manufacturing or assembly then just popped off. It’s a cast pot metal or MIM part, it happens. I’m sure it will be good to go once you get it back, wipe it down, and lube it up. |
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[#35]
Quoted: Hit up Jeremy Gresham, he’s the Director of Sales and Marketing at IWI US. Never had any problems with IMI/IWI customer service. You can usually find him on the Facebook Galil/x95 pages. And on this forum occasionally. Super good guy to deal with and should be able to get you sorted out. View Quote This. Jeremy walked me through assembling my Masada when I disassembled it incorrectly. He's a great guy. |
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[#36]
Update!
I received my x95 back. It was returned in the same box I sent it in - the OEM box. The broken part was fixed free of charge. I am pleased it was fixed but also sad that I had to contact someone so high up to get it corrected. None the less, it is fixed and I wanted to thank Jeremy for all his help! Thanks again, Jeremy! |
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