I had one, and that tiny one, and a regular ultratech. I found the 85 to be too boxy. I had been carrying a launch 6 or whatever for the better part of a year, so I liked the flat/wide style more. Ended up with a Combat Troodon since I really wanted a beefy glass breaker. It's not small, but it's a hell of a product. I've edc-ed them for about 2 years now. I could easily sell it for what I'm into it, but every time I think about it I fire it and I'm not interested in selling it any more.