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Posted: 4/24/2022 11:56:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have read and understand you've just said no to the idea, but you might at least be interested in seeing the official mounting solution: https://i.redd.it/zhuw56y7irg41.jpg It uses a hood that shrouds the barrel and is located on the back of the barrel where the fore grip mounts and then up front on a 20" barrel with a cantilevered support located at the muzzle. It's not as ungainly as it appears and certainly has lots more support than a receiver mount M203 mounts on an M16 which is ironically a more robust mounting option than a rail mounted M203 on an M4A1. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also there just isn't much to brace against for mounting an M203 (not to mention there is very little room at the front of the gun to do so! As neat as both ideas sound, I am afraid I do not see us pursuing either of those as production parts, sorry! https://i.redd.it/zhuw56y7irg41.jpg It uses a hood that shrouds the barrel and is located on the back of the barrel where the fore grip mounts and then up front on a 20" barrel with a cantilevered support located at the muzzle. It's not as ungainly as it appears and certainly has lots more support than a receiver mount M203 mounts on an M16 which is ironically a more robust mounting option than a rail mounted M203 on an M4A1. @PvtCowboy I am well aware of how the RM Systems AUG M203 mount works. I am afraid It simply not a good use of time or money to spend the effort copying another company's work for a product that we might sell 2-3 units of at most. We would 100% lose money on that endeavor, my suggestions is reach out to RM and see if they will sell you one of their mounts. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 1:04:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @PvtCowboy I am well aware of how the RM Systems AUG M203 mount works. I am afraid It simply not a good use of time or money to spend the effort copying another company's work for a product that we might sell 2-3 units of at most. We would 100% lose money on that endeavor, my suggestions is reach out to RM and see if they will sell you one of their mounts. Sven Manticore Arms How about a trigger module that will accept any standard AR-15 trigger? |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 4:21:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about a trigger module that will accept any standard AR-15 trigger? I don't think this is possible. I had looked into making something myself to run a LaRue trigger. AR fire controls have that dangly trigger thing hanging off the... trigger. There wasn't enough room in the back of the gun to get the AR hammer and trigger in under the bolt without cutting into the plastic stock and possibly having to toss out the cleaning kit. I do think it could work if you sawzalled off the dangly part of your trigger. Or more likely find a decent trigger for a different style gun that'll fit back there. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 4:34:37 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the HTM from 20/20 was just that, though I heard it wasn't quite worth the premium over the TSM.
Me personally, the AUG trigger with the TSM and the redesigned trigger from ARID Development is my favorite trigger for defensive use. Very short travel, new trigger helps reduce any and all friction due to improved geometry and a small roller installed in the front. Combine that with a properly adjusted trigger linkage and it's a very good trigger. Like it a lot more than AR triggers I've used. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 4:40:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about a trigger module that will accept any standard AR-15 trigger? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @PvtCowboy I am well aware of how the RM Systems AUG M203 mount works. I am afraid It simply not a good use of time or money to spend the effort copying another company's work for a product that we might sell 2-3 units of at most. We would 100% lose money on that endeavor, my suggestions is reach out to RM and see if they will sell you one of their mounts. Sven Manticore Arms How about a trigger module that will accept any standard AR-15 trigger? 20/20 and Ratworx already did that, my understanding was they never sold enough to justify continued production, but you would have to contact Ratworx to confirm. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 6:45:58 PM EDT
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I dont think they use a standard trigger. The photo has the assembly sitting down on a towel. There's no room for that dangly part of the trigger. If it was there, it would prevent this whole assembly from sitting flat on the towel, and would prevent the whole assembly from inserting into the back of the AUG stock.
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Posted: 4/24/2022 7:57:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont think they use a standard trigger. The photo has the assembly sitting down on a towel. There's no room for that dangly part of the trigger. If it was there, it would prevent this whole assembly from sitting flat on the towel, and would prevent the whole assembly from inserting into the back of the AUG stock. https://iili.io/Vge3q7.png It was a milspec ar-15 trigger groupwith the trigger bow milled off. It is physically impossible for a standard unmodified ar-15 trigger group to fit in an AUG stock |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 9:31:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 20/20 and Ratworx already did that, my understanding was they never sold enough to justify continued production, but you would have to contact Ratworx to confirm. Sven Manticore Arms One came up for sale on gunbroker a few years ago and there was a bidding war on it. I won the final auction at $650.  *They rarely if ever come up for sale so when they do they go quick and for a lot of $$.
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Posted: 4/24/2022 9:44:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They rarely if ever come up for sale so when they do they go quick and for a lot of $$. |
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Posted: 4/28/2022 1:17:05 AM EDT
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Any possibility of an RMR mount for the factory A1 scope?
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Posted: 5/16/2022 9:58:35 AM EDT
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Now that these have been out a while, those of you that bought these, how do you like them?
Any issues, caveats? Any changes in accuracy? How is the heat? I know from experience that Manticore makes good stuff, but would just like to hear some owner feedback. |
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Posted: 5/16/2022 1:07:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that these have been out a while, those of you that bought these, how do you like them? Any issues, caveats? Any changes in accuracy? How is the heat? I know from experience that Manticore makes good stuff, but would just like to hear some owner feedback. I like mine.. it puts rails right where I want them and is quite solid, even after I hacked a chunk off the bottom to make it work with the 2020 lower rail. I wish the rear of the rail hugged the receiver like the Steyr A3 does, but that's an aesthetic thing and doesn't affect function at all. It does get a bit warm after a couple mags in a row, but that's pretty normal for AUGs in my experience. |
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Posted: 5/16/2022 2:44:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It does get a bit warm after a couple mags in a row, but that's pretty normal for AUGs in my experience. |
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Posted: 5/16/2022 2:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need another aftermarket suppressor gas plug option! THIS |
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Posted: 5/16/2022 2:52:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. We cannot cut through that area as the receiver mounting screws and side rail mounting screws are in that area. 2. The grip can fold up about 2/3 the way when the forend option is installed, enough to give plenty of room to store it in a carry case. The grip is not going to be able to fully fold with any forend installed as it nests up tight against the underside of the barrel when fully folded, leaving no room for a forend. 3. Carbon fiber is not an option for both technical and cost reasons, and would save little to no weight. Sven Manticore Arms Magnesium alloy seems to save quite a bit of weight over aluminum |
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Posted: 5/16/2022 3:02:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Magnesium alloy seems to save quite a bit of weight over aluminum Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1. We cannot cut through that area as the receiver mounting screws and side rail mounting screws are in that area. 2. The grip can fold up about 2/3 the way when the forend option is installed, enough to give plenty of room to store it in a carry case. The grip is not going to be able to fully fold with any forend installed as it nests up tight against the underside of the barrel when fully folded, leaving no room for a forend. 3. Carbon fiber is not an option for both technical and cost reasons, and would save little to no weight. Sven Manticore Arms Magnesium alloy seems to save quite a bit of weight over aluminum Not gonna happen, carbon fiber and magnesium are the real of fantasy land for a project of this scale. The Cantilever Forend is half the cost and half weight of an AUG CQC forend, and only a few ounces more than an OEM top rail, which is something of a miracle in itself. Sven Manticore Arms. |
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Posted: 5/16/2022 3:13:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like "you really need to be wearing gloves" warm? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It does get a bit warm after a couple mags in a row, but that's pretty normal for AUGs in my experience. This is subjective, but I found it too hot to hold barehanded after three mags back-to-back |
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Posted: 5/17/2022 4:34:09 AM EDT
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Magnesium has really impressive heat/weight characteristics, it’s used on airplane tires landing gear rims. And they actually glow orange/red after a RTO-rejected take-off. But the price would make the rail cost prohibitive.
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Posted: 5/17/2022 3:05:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is subjective, but I found it too hot to hold barehanded after three mags back-to-back |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 11:08:01 AM EDT
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This won’t fit an MSAR will it?
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Posted: 8/14/2022 2:31:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: I was never happy with any of the forend solutions for the AUG, they all either were too heavy or has some other feature about them that made them just not work to my liking, and I haven't seen any solutions for the A3 M1 receiver, which seems to be the most common type these days.... Still waiting for something compatible for A2/USR, 1913 rail etc and ability to quick change barrels. Not liking B&T style rail systems that lock in the barrel that everyone seems to come up with. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 11:42:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still waiting for something compatible for A2/USR, 1913 rail etc and ability to quick change barrels. Not liking B&T style rail systems that lock in the barrel that everyone seems to come up with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was never happy with any of the forend solutions for the AUG, they all either were too heavy or has some other feature about them that made them just not work to my liking, and I haven't seen any solutions for the A3 M1 receiver, which seems to be the most common type these days.... Still waiting for something compatible for A2/USR, 1913 rail etc and ability to quick change barrels. Not liking B&T style rail systems that lock in the barrel that everyone seems to come up with. I seriously doubt anyone will ever make anything compatible with the A2 - the A3 M1 Cantilever Forend only exists because I wanted one, and is on the edge of a financially viable product. A QD forend does not lend itself to solid mounting with repeatable zero. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:39:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I seriously doubt anyone will ever make anything compatible with the A2 - the A3 M1 Cantilever Forend only exists because I wanted one, and is on the edge of a financially viable product. A QD forend does not lend itself to solid mounting with repeatable zero. Sven Manticore Arms Like designing a shoe only meant to be worn on one foot, along the lines of the old B&T AUG rail, it is counterintuitive to design and promote a rail that takes away a feature of the rifle: quick change barrel. If you can't copy, design and make one, maybe someone else has and can. But if you like it and as you have explained to some extent, the marketing aspect behind it, you're probably not going to make something without a profit motive, that's your decision. Is zero so seriously impacted, that one cannot rapidly engage fleeting man-sized targets out to the effective range of the weapon? If these obsolescent pop guns were all that were alleviable to me and forced into use, while retaining the ability to quick change barrels, I think my rails will hold up to your counterintuitive rails. To do the job without losing any sleep over and the ability to quick change barrels that are a priority for my use. Without being forced to wear a shoe only on one foot, that's marketed as another artesian engineering marvel and technological wonder of the World, right up alongside the Sistine Chapel I want something that does the job. I think I'll pass on your rails. This is my decision. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 8:56:30 PM EDT
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 lol wut? |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:11:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like designing a shoe only meant to be worn on one foot, along the lines of the old B&T AUG rail, it is counterintuitive to design and promote a rail that takes away a feature of the rifle: quick change barrel. If you can't copy, design and make one, maybe someone else has and can. But if you like it and as you have explained to some extent, the marketing aspect behind it, you're probably not going to make something without a profit motive, that's your decision. Is zero so seriously impacted, that one cannot rapidly engage fleeting man-sized targets out to the effective range of the weapon? If these obsolescent pop guns were all that were alleviable to me and forced into use, while retaining the ability to quick change barrels, I think my rails will hold up to your counterintuitive rails. To do the job without losing any sleep over and the ability to quick change barrels that are a priority for my use. Without being forced to wear a shoe only on one foot, that's marketed as another artesian engineering marvel and technological wonder of the World, right up alongside the Sistine Chapel I want something that does the job. I think I'll pass on your rails. This is my decision. You are a prime example of why one shouldn't post while drunk... |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:53:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like designing a shoe only meant to be worn on one foot, along the lines of the old B&T AUG rail, it is counterintuitive to design and promote a rail that takes away a feature of the rifle: quick change barrel. If you can't copy, design and make one, maybe someone else has and can. But if you like it and as you have explained to some extent, the marketing aspect behind it, you're probably not going to make something without a profit motive, that's your decision. Is zero so seriously impacted, that one cannot rapidly engage fleeting man-sized targets out to the effective range of the weapon? If these obsolescent pop guns were all that were alleviable to me and forced into use, while retaining the ability to quick change barrels, I think my rails will hold up to your counterintuitive rails. To do the job without losing any sleep over and the ability to quick change barrels that are a priority for my use. Without being forced to wear a shoe only on one foot, that's marketed as another artesian engineering marvel and technological wonder of the World, right up alongside the Sistine Chapel I want something that does the job. I think I'll pass on your rails. This is my decision. While I'm not the biggest fan of sacrificing the quick change barrel, people wanna maximize available mounting space. That necessitates either a thinner, ergonomic handguard that essentially locks the barrel in place, or an overly large diameter handguard that can accommodate the gas block and the rotation it needs to go through. Sven's design and ARID's design both allow you to remove the handguard by taking out some screws, and QD mechanisms can further increase price on parts like this that are relatively niche to the market. You might want to look into the Clawgear ones that mount to the gas block and get hot in a few shots since you put the QD barrel on a pedestal that makes it a "priority" for your use. Atleast Sven is bringing useful stuff to the AUG market, unlike your overly helpful self. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 11:55:25 PM EDT
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Not mine, spotted on Reddit.
The Manticore Forend really looks awesome with the 20" barrel and factory VFG.  Makes me wonder how an extended handguard for the 20" would look. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 12:12:39 AM EDT
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The AUG Cantilever Forend looks awesome. I have two AUGs (non m1) already, but now I want a m1 specifically to add this rail. Very cool design.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:01:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like designing a shoe only meant to be worn on one foot, along the lines of the old B&T AUG rail, it is counterintuitive to design and promote a rail that takes away a feature of the rifle: quick change barrel. If you can't copy, design and make one, maybe someone else has and can. But if you like it and as you have explained to some extent, the marketing aspect behind it, you're probably not going to make something without a profit motive, that's your decision. Is zero so seriously impacted, that one cannot rapidly engage fleeting man-sized targets out to the effective range of the weapon? If these obsolescent pop guns were all that were alleviable to me and forced into use, while retaining the ability to quick change barrels, I think my rails will hold up to your counterintuitive rails. To do the job without losing any sleep over and the ability to quick change barrels that are a priority for my use. Without being forced to wear a shoe only on one foot, that's marketed as another artesian engineering marvel and technological wonder of the World, right up alongside the Sistine Chapel I want something that does the job. I think I'll pass on your rails. This is my decision. Sometimes stream of consciousness is fun. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:09:09 AM EDT
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If anyones skilled with photoshop, I'd love to see how an 'XL Forend' would look if it extended to the base of the FH on a 20" barrel.
That would be a real AUG / AR hybrid aesthetic I imagine. Alas, I'm at a sub MS paint level of digital artistry otherwise I'd attempt it myself. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:10:46 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The AUG Cantilever Forend looks awesome. I have two AUGs (non m1) already, but now I want a m1 specto add this rail. Very cool design. Yeah, I'm somewhat tempted to get another AUG for using this rail. 1x AUG for Corvus + ACOG (ACAUG) 1X AUG for Factory 3x 1x AUG for Manticore.... |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:33:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If anyones skilled with photoshop, I'd love to see how an 'XL Forend' would look if it extended to the base of the FH on a 20" barrel. That would be a real AUG / AR hybrid aesthetic I imagine. Alas, I'm at a sub MS paint level of digital artistry otherwise I'd attempt it myself. @spydercomonkey (I am sure i will regret even doing this! )Just to be clear we do NOT have plans at this time for an extended rail as 20" barrels are way less common than 16" barrels, but since you asked for a photoshop, here you go: I won't lie, if does look pretty sexy, LOL Sven Manticore Arms 
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Posted: 1/11/2023 11:27:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @spydercomonkey (I am sure i will regret even doing this! )Just to be clear we do NOT have plans at this time for an extended rail as 20" barrels are way less common than 16" barrels, but since you asked for a photoshop, here you go: I won't lie, if does look pretty sexy, LOL Sven Manticore Arms https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/extended_rail_mockup-2668489.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If anyones skilled with photoshop, I'd love to see how an 'XL Forend' would look if it extended to the base of the FH on a 20" barrel. That would be a real AUG / AR hybrid aesthetic I imagine. Alas, I'm at a sub MS paint level of digital artistry otherwise I'd attempt it myself. @spydercomonkey (I am sure i will regret even doing this! )Just to be clear we do NOT have plans at this time for an extended rail as 20" barrels are way less common than 16" barrels, but since you asked for a photoshop, here you go: I won't lie, if does look pretty sexy, LOL Sven Manticore Arms https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/extended_rail_mockup-2668489.jpg Oh man, that looks spectacular! Totally changes the AUG aesthetically, really looks super modern; perfect AUG/AR hybrid vibes. Needless to say, I want one. Thank you so much for doing the photoshop. Whats the minimum order quantity for a run of them  |
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