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Posted: 10/26/2017 1:32:06 PM EDT
[#1]
The current consumer wants a 4 lb trigger in the thought process that it will make them a better shooter.
Truth be told, I think the AUG trigger is just fine, and 8 lb triggers don't bother me at all, 4lb triggers feel too light to me. There is something to be said for a good trigger, but I would argue that training and skill are a lot more important in making a good shot than getting the trigger down to ounces of pull. But that is my personal opinion on the matter, and to each their own! 
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Posted: 10/26/2017 1:44:17 PM EDT
[#2]
I can shoot 1.3 moa groups with a 25 year old AUG-A1. I have zero complaints about the trigger
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Posted: 10/26/2017 1:59:56 PM EDT
[#3]
I agree, it's a little heavy but breaks clean enough.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 2:02:54 PM EDT
[#4]
The trigger on the AUG I recently had the opportunity to fire threw me off. The pull itself wasn't too much of an issue, but the reset was way longer than anything I am used to. As a result I caught myself squeezing when I should have still been releasing a couple of times. If I shot more than 8 rounds through it I doubt it would be an issue. It was a really cool rifle though.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 2:06:49 PM EDT
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The trigger on the AUG I recently had the opportunity to fire threw me off. The pull itself wasn't too much of an issue, but the reset was way longer than anything I am used to. As a result I caught myself squeezing when I should have still been releasing a couple of times. If I shot more than 8 rounds through it I doubt it would be an issue. It was a really cool rifle though. BY FAR THE BEST ITEM YOU CAN ADD TO YOUR STEYR AUG. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 2:13:19 PM EDT
[#6]
I don't mind the factory trigger at all.
However, once the 2020 TSM came out, that all changed. It is a substantial improvement to the characteristics of the trigger. Night and Day difference. I wish I could hand everyone one of my AUG's with the 2020 TSM so they could fire it and feel the difference for themselves, it's incredible. Let me add that the person who runs 2020 is a very nice guy and recently gave me a couple left over MSAR TSM sears. If you have an MSAR and actively shoot it, I can get you an MSAR sear for free. You're not under any obligation of anything. Only that you actually install it and use it. If you don't like it, send it back to me so I can send it to someone else. If you like it, it's yours. I do not own an MSAR, don't even particularly like MSAR, but if you would like one of these, I have just a couple. @xdmikey I'm talking to you! |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 6:41:37 PM EDT
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I don't mind the factory trigger at all. However, once the 2020 TSM came out, that all changed. It is a substantial improvement to the characteristics of the trigger. Night and Day difference. I wish I could hand everyone one of my AUG's with the 2020 TSM so they could fire it and feel the difference for themselves, it's incredible. Let me add that the person who runs 2020 is a very nice guy and recently gave me a couple left over MSAR TSM sears. If you have an MSAR and actively shoot it, I can get you an MSAR sear for free. You're not under any obligation of anything. Only that you actually install it and use it. If you don't like it, send it back to me so I can send it to someone else. If you like it, it's yours. I do not own an MSAR, don't even particularly like MSAR, but if you would like one of these, I have just a couple. @xdmikey I'm talking to you! Awesome offer! |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 9:31:21 PM EDT
[#8]
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I don't mind the factory trigger at all. However, once the 2020 TSM came out, that all changed. It is a substantial improvement to the characteristics of the trigger. Night and Day difference. I wish I could hand everyone one of my AUG's with the 2020 TSM so they could fire it and feel the difference for themselves, it's incredible. Let me add that the person who runs 2020 is a very nice guy and recently gave me a couple left over MSAR TSM sears. If you have an MSAR and actively shoot it, I can get you an MSAR sear for free. You're not under any obligation of anything. Only that you actually install it and use it. If you don't like it, send it back to me so I can send it to someone else. If you like it, it's yours. I do not own an MSAR, don't even particularly like MSAR, but if you would like one of these, I have just a couple. @xdmikey I'm talking to you! |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 10:17:57 PM EDT
[#9]
The AUG trigger is different, doesn't mean it's bad. I find I'm able to pull much smoother and flinch/jerk less due to the 'mush' of the trigger. Slightly lighter with the same characteristic would be perfect.
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Posted: 10/27/2017 10:06:40 AM EDT
[#10]
Tuesday we went out and I was able to nail the steel at 200 with my AUG. This is a new thing for me.
I can't say xx/xx because my rifle had continuous issues feeding. This could be because I shot a mag(20)of tula in order to get an empty mag but it prompted a complete scrub down and we'll see if it was good enough next Tuesday. Bottom line: my AUG trigger was fine. And the last rifle i shot was a Tavor with a tavD trigger. I will be packing my AUG for my foreseeable future. eta I do have the 20/20 sear in my AUG. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 10:53:31 AM EDT
[#11]
If you're comparing it to an SKS or an AK trigger, it's ok, but compared to something like a Geissele SSA or the M17S trigger, it kind of sucks.
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Posted: 10/27/2017 11:23:04 AM EDT
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If you're comparing it to an SKS or an AK trigger, it's ok, but compared to something like a Geissele SSA or the M17S trigger, it kind of sucks. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 11:52:27 AM EDT
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Why would you be comparing a stock mil issue trigger to tuned match triggers? Btw, the spec for issue M4 triggers is 5.5-8.5 lbs Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you're comparing it to an SKS or an AK trigger, it's ok, but compared to something like a Geissele SSA or the M17S trigger, it kind of sucks. The original question was why people think the AUG trigger sucks. Compared to good triggers, it does suck. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 1:16:05 PM EDT
[#14]
I don’t mind heavy triggers so long as they break cleanly. I’ve handled augs that seem to have horrible creepy triggers and ones that feel about 8lbs but the creep isn’t bad but break cleanly. I don’t own one but I wouldn’t say any of them are terrible terrible and certainly the last one I used I would have classed as average or acceptable. I do own an M17s however and I don’t know why people rave about that trigger maybe it’s just me but i just don’t like it. I did swap out my tavor trigger pack for a shooting sight one years ago but I don’t think the aug triggers I’ve played with were anywhere near as heavy as the tavor I know mine was a little over 11lbs which is just a little too much for my dainty fingers.
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Posted: 10/27/2017 1:46:44 PM EDT
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I don’t mind heavy triggers so long as they break cleanly. I’ve handled augs that seem to have horrible creepy triggers and ones that feel about 8lbs but the creep isn’t bad but break cleanly. I don’t own one but I wouldn’t say any of them are terrible terrible and certainly the last one I used I would have classed as average or acceptable. I do own an M17s however and I don’t know why people rave about that trigger maybe it’s just me but i just don’t like it. I did swap out my tavor trigger pack for a shooting sight one years ago but I don’t think the aug triggers I’ve played with were anywhere near as heavy as the tavor I know mine was a little over 11lbs which is just a little too much for my dainty fingers.
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Posted: 10/27/2017 3:56:31 PM EDT
[#16]
Lol that makes a lot more sense then!!
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Posted: 10/27/2017 5:51:03 PM EDT
[#17]
I have an msar and would like a TSM ifvyou have an extra
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Posted: 10/28/2017 7:26:03 AM EDT
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The SSA is hardly a tuned match trigger, it's 4.5lbs and designated as a HD/combat trigger. It's not just the weight, but the travel, reset, engagement, and break. The original question was why people think the AUG trigger sucks. Compared to good triggers, it does suck. The milspec listed by FN gives a range between 5.5 and 9.5lbs: https://fnamerica.com/products/rifles/fn-m4a1/ A more fair comparison would be between the AUG trigger and the factory M4, SCAR, Beretta ARX, AK, Tavor, Sig 5xx, CZ 805 etc factory military triggers. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 10:01:52 AM EDT
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Well I think that gets to the heart of the issue - people are comparing them to aftermarket AR triggers. Which is an entirely human, but unfair comparison. One is a $200 aftermarket trigger, the other is a factory military trigger. The milspec listed by FN gives a range between 5.5 and 9.5lbs: https://fnamerica.com/products/rifles/fn-m4a1/ A more fair comparison would be between the AUG trigger and the factory M4, SCAR, Beretta ARX, AK, Tavor, Sig 5xx, CZ 805 etc factory military triggers. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 10:58:16 AM EDT
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Exactly and unfortunately in this day and age where people buy an AR for $500 and then drop $1500-$2000 on an aug or tavor they expect a match grade miracle weapon not a military grade shooter which is not a fair comparison at all. I like my g2s and ssa in my primary carbines but I’d gladly take an 8lb trigger any day on a reliable rifle that shot ok groups. Concerning the Aug, this will be especially true when Corvus releases their trigger upgrade for it. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 12:19:29 PM EDT
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The truth of the matter is, you don't have to make said sacrifice assuming you have a decent AR. Concerning the Aug, this will be especially true when Corvus releases their trigger upgrade for it. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 1:14:48 PM EDT
[#22]
Keeping this technical and friendly. My post was in poor taste and has been deleted.
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Posted: 10/28/2017 4:50:23 PM EDT
[#23]
I own x2 A3M1 AUGs.
One has a very decent trigger and I can easily shoot a 2" group at 100 yards. The other has an atrocious trigger. It's a long, gritty, 3 stage sort of trigger.....just awful. I struggle to shoot repeatable groups with it at 100 yards. Shame, because it is my 20" with the factory 3x, purchased for longer range shooting. Definitely going to get upgraded in the near future. The Geiselle trigger pack sounds amazing but I would be surprised if it costs under $500, will probably just go for the TSM sear for $100. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 11:27:53 PM EDT
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The 2020 TSM was designed to fix the creep, travel, break, and reset. BY FAR THE BEST ITEM YOU CAN ADD TO YOUR STEYR AUG. I have one and I’d agree. And for you cheapskates like I used to be, get the NEU trigger for $38 shipped off gunbroker. |
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Posted: 10/29/2017 9:18:09 PM EDT
[#25]
I just went with the 2020 and I'm happy.
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Posted: 10/30/2017 10:58:48 AM EDT
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I own x2 A3M1 AUGs. One has a very decent trigger and I can easily shoot a 2" group at 100 yards. The other has an atrocious trigger. It's a long, gritty, 3 stage sort of trigger.....just awful. I struggle to shoot repeatable groups with it at 100 yards. Shame, because it is my 20" with the factory 3x, purchased for longer range shooting. Definitely going to get upgraded in the near future. The Geiselle trigger pack sounds amazing but I would be surprised if it costs under $500, will probably just go for the TSM sear for $100. |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 12:09:42 PM EDT
[#27]
Another vote for the Nue trigger
My Aug trigger was similar to the trigger of a Glock pistol Not too bad at all The Nue trigger lowered the pull weight and smoothed the pull I’m getting 2.5 inch, 5 shot groups off a rest at 100 yards with a three power scope using Wolf Gold 55 grain ammo I love my Steyr Aug A 3! |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 12:12:58 PM EDT
[#28]
Another vote for the Nue trigger
My Aug trigger was similar to the trigger of a Glock pistol Not too bad at all The Nue trigger lowered the pull weight and smoothed the pull I’m getting 2.5 inch, 5 shot groups off a rest at 100 yards with a three power scope using Wolf Gold 55 grain ammo I love my Steyr Aug A 3! |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 1:17:03 PM EDT
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Why would you be comparing a stock mil issue trigger to tuned match triggers? Btw, the spec for issue M4 triggers is 5.5-8.5 lbs Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you're comparing it to an SKS or an AK trigger, it's ok, but compared to something like a Geissele SSA or the M17S trigger, it kind of sucks. 
The 2020 sear does help - best option currently available and to me, makes the $2k rifle worth keeping and enjoying. In the meantime YEA, I eventually still want a 4.5 lb 2-stage trigger that I can upgrade to. Because that helps me hit stuff! I can offhand hold a 3-6 MOA target (most shots) with a good 2 stage trigger. A lot harder with a standard AUG trigger - you just can't hold a target in center for the length and weight of a crappy factory AUG trigger like that. It matters less from a bench, or on silhouettes at 10 yards. But if you are trying to hit a 10" gong offhand at 200 yards - it matters a lot. |
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Posted: 11/4/2017 2:10:19 AM EDT
[#30]
it does suck, but at least it has a decent break. compared to a Tavor SAR it seems pretty good.
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Posted: 11/7/2017 5:16:30 PM EDT
[#31]
The AUG trigger does suck...compared the RDB trigger...but its better than the FS2000 trigger...or the horrible Tavor trigger. My AUG trigger was decent after installing a nuetrigger insert...broke predictably but still had a crap reset
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Posted: 11/7/2017 10:06:41 PM EDT
[#32]
I wanted to comment on the TSM sear Maleante graciously sent me for my MSAR. He commented above that it improves creep, travel, break and reset, and I confirm this.
As far as pull, I'll describe it like this: I didn't expect a candy cane snap target trigger, and it isn't. It's still an AUG feel trigger which "slides" then drops, but it is more smooth and precise. It was very noticeable when switching from the TSM back to stock. To illustrate: Stock trigger feel is like- when as a kid, you went back and forth repeatedly with a crayon till there was a waxy buildup on the paper. Sliding the crayon over this you can feel perceptible roughness and a tacky, plastic feel. Mine had a barely noticeable notch of resistance at the end of the pull just before break, and an overall springy aspect as well. The TSM seems rigid, without the springy feel, and the "sliding" portion of travel is silky smooth. So compare the greasy crayon feel to a pair of expensive barber shears. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 12:34:54 PM EDT
[#33]
I, too, received my 20/20 from maleante, thank you. I haven't installed it yet(still cleaning up/looking for loaned tools/replacing lost loaned tools, from the storm). I need to order the "fingers" portion of the MSAR hybrid bolt Aaron sent me then will install the sear.
What a great community we have here! |
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Posted: 12/2/2017 1:51:47 AM EDT
[#34]
I think the issue is that some people mistakenly compare the Steyr Aug's "bullpup" trigger to the trigger on an AR15. That's an absurd comparison because of the difference in the way the hammer is released. Also, the Aug has a rather large trigger and not the skinny, metal trigger that an AR15 has. For me I actually don't have any issues with the Aug trigger because the larger trigger spreads out the trigger pressure on my trigger finger and makes it feel lighter than it actually is. I actually prefer a 4 lb trigger pull on an AR15 and have changed out all the trigger groups on all of my AR15 type rifles to Geissele SSA-E trigger groups. I still think the Aug's trigger is fine as it is.
Several years before I retired I was issued and carried a Steyr Aug. Others carried those Colt M4 rifles with the shorter barrels, the MK18 I think? Anyway, our quarterly firearms qualifications required us to shoot at distances from 100 yards up to 10 yards. I was just as accurate as the guys with their Colt rifles, even with the so-called crappy Aug trigger. Now that I've retired I have a Steyr Aug A3 as my HD rifle. |
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Posted: 12/2/2017 11:11:00 AM EDT
[#35]
I will be buying a 20/20 trigger pack when my 100.00 steyr rebate comes back though.
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Posted: 12/5/2017 11:45:24 AM EDT
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The RDB proves that a bullpup doesn't have to have a a relatively inefficient trigger otb.
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Posted: 12/7/2017 9:27:40 AM EDT
[#37]
You seem to be on a styer kick lately, first the L9 now this. Glad you have seen the light lol. But manticore has it, it’s not out of the ordinary for a military rifle but it isn’t up to par with the gold standard of upgraded ar triggers but then again what is.
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Posted: 12/8/2017 7:40:32 PM EDT
[#38]
Just ordered my AUG 2020 trigger pack from Ratworx today. Cant wait to get it and hopefully put it together correctly...
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Posted: 12/9/2017 12:44:17 PM EDT
[#39]
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You seem to be on a styer kick lately, first the L9 now this. Glad you have seen the light lol. But manticore has it, it’s not out of the ordinary for a military rifle but it isn’t up to par with the gold standard of upgraded ar triggers but then again what is. |
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Posted: 12/9/2017 1:23:59 PM EDT
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What can i say, they make awesome Space guns. I'm going to use the AUG for 3 gun this year so i figured i might as well get their pistol too. |
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Posted: 12/10/2017 12:08:11 AM EDT
[#41]
My stock aug trigger isn't to bad. Wd
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Posted: 12/11/2017 6:55:36 AM EDT
[#42]
Good trigger, or sucky trigger is all a matter of comparison and point of view.
I have had an almost 10lb DAO trigger on a pistol that only bothered me to shoot when I first got it. I twas long and heavy, however, it was smooth and consistent. Once I developed the strength from repeatedly pulling on it, I was able to shoot it accurately and effectively. Many people I know complained that the trigger was too heavy and too long. While I would agree, it was by no means a "bad" trigger. My chief complaint about the AUG trigger, is that the ones I have pulled were neither smooth nor consistent. To me, they have felt "mushy" and "sticky". I'm not sure how else to explain it. It's almost like there are parts that are bending without moving, and binding along the way. My mechanical reasoning leads me to assume that this is the rods that link the trigger to the sear. Take a piece of wire and push on both ends, and it will bow. Add some bends into it like the AUG linkage has, and it bows a lot easier, because the force is no longer directly along the center line. By contrast, my Tavor trigger is consistent and crisp. It's heavier than most of my other rifles, but consistent. It's just a theory, but maybe the difference is that the Tavor trigger design pulls on the linkage, rather than pushing on it? Unfortunately, the differences between the two can't be isolated to that single component, so it would take a lot more time, money, and equipment than I have to be able to say for sure. |
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Posted: 12/12/2017 1:50:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Lube the stock trigger pack with armorall or frog lube, great impovement
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Posted: 12/12/2017 5:37:48 PM EDT
[#44]
The trigger is not terrible.
But in my experience, it is certainly military grade. You won't be doing something like you would with a match trigger in which you pull as slow as you want to make the steadiest and the most stable precision shot. The AUG trigger is hard to break in a sense that if I tried to pull as slow as possible--meaning if I applied the smallest force--the gun would move as the trigger breaks thus hurting accuracy. Try it yourself. I somehow found it much easier to do military style triggering which got me consistent <2 MOA groupings with M193. |
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Posted: 1/4/2018 11:38:35 PM EDT
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Lube the stock trigger pack with armorall or frog lube, great impovement |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 2:52:30 AM EDT
[#46]
After putting in my new Ratworx 2020 sear kit, I can say I really am impressed at what a difference it truly makes. Im very glad I upgraded.
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:24:22 AM EDT
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is this a new offering? last time i looked at improving the Aug trigger, the options were not the greatest, esp the neu trigger which looked like I could duplicate with scissors and a coke can.
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:26:54 AM EDT
[#48]
Looks like Corvus Defensio has the trigger pack pictured on their site, but still undergoing NATO drop testing.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:37:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Just putting frog lube or armorall on the stock trigger pack makes a big improvement
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Posted: 2/7/2018 3:21:16 PM EDT
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Just putting frog lube or armorall on the stock trigger pack makes a big improvement |
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