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Posted: 2/12/2022 8:28:02 PM EDT
Hornady 9mm HAP Bullets
 To evaluate the absolute accuracy/precision of the Hornady 9mm HAP bullets I used a Colt 6450 with a free-floated Noveske barrel.   25 Yards 10-shot group of 115 grain HAP at 25 yards. Extreme spread = 0.62".  10-shot group of 121 grain HAP at 25 yards. Extreme spread = 0.499"  10-shot group of 125 grain HAP at 25. Extreme spread = 0.413"  50 Yards 10-shot group of 125 grain HAP at 50 yards. Extreme spread = 0.849".  …. Primers: Federal Gold Medal Match Brass: Starline, Lapua or Federal Top Gun Powder: Winchester Action Pistol 115 grain HAP, velocity from a 4" semi-automatic handgun ~ 1150 FPS 125 grain HAP, velocity from a 4" semi-automatic handgun ~ 1100 FPS |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 8:48:09 PM EDT
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My CZ85 loves them.
Too bad they're unavailable every where now. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 8:52:38 PM EDT
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XTPs are the most accurate bullets I’ve seen. I’m glad to see the HAPs shooting well too.
Please share the load if you will. I have a bucket of brass and some Federal primers that could use some company. Thanks |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 9:50:53 PM EDT
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Uhh Shittt.... Molon is diving into 9mm now. Hell yeah.
Hornady HAP shoots slightly better than average in my OEM G19 Gen4. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 10:18:30 PM EDT
[#4]
Thats awesome.
What are you shooting them through to get accuracy like that? |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 10:57:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My CZ85 loves them. Too bad they're unavailable every where now. This isn't the wtf thread but maybe consider going to the blue press website and looking under components. Eta: nice shooting! |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 11:21:21 PM EDT
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Had great experience with them too.
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Posted: 2/12/2022 11:36:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: XTPs are the most accurate bullets I’ve seen. I’m glad to see the HAPs shooting well too. Please share the load if you will. I have a bucket of brass and some Federal primers that could use some company. Thanks Aren't they basically the same base bullet? No modifications made to enhance expansion. |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:16:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Hornady 9mm HAP Bullets https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/121_hap_01-2221123.jpg A picture, a thousand words, yada, yada, yada. …. What gun? What is your load data? |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 1:03:37 AM EDT
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Come on Molon! We need details on the pistol and the load!
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Posted: 2/13/2022 11:04:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren't they basically the same base bullet? No modifications made to enhance expansion. That’s my understanding. |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 11:21:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2022 11:38:29 AM EDT
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Prolly a touch long for my cz's.
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Posted: 2/13/2022 1:57:25 PM EDT
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One Wilson Combat accuracy benchmark load involves the 125gr 9MM HAP, Power Pistol @ 5.2gr.....Accurate as all get out in Glock factory barrel in 19.5/45/17.4. Sig 226 MK25 and P229.
A Colt Commander, too. Their price went up a bit. The 115 HAP is pretty decent, too. But, the 125gr is the best one! |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 8:21:37 PM EDT
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I've shot 1000s of the 115 HAP through my David Sams Beretta service pistol. Theyre a great alternative to the XTPs. I couldn't consistently prove a difference between them with a Ransom Rest.
They seem to like being pushed hard, but I load them soft for bullseye matches. 3 gr of N310. Needs a lighter recoil spring in the Beretta (10 or 11 lbs rather than the stock 14 lb spring). They've been intermittently available in the 500 and 3000 rd packages over the last couple years for reasonable prices. Ammoseek alerts are your friend. |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 11:26:04 AM EDT
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I used them quite a bit when I could pick them up at academy for a decent price in yesteryear
They seemed really accurate |
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Posted: 2/14/2022 12:28:58 PM EDT
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I’ve seen them at Cabela’s a few times during the panic. Not the worst prices, but it is Cabela’s… so they’re expensive.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 2:33:44 AM EDT
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MOLON, can you post what method you use to test this? Even with sandbags, I can't seem to hold a pistol steady enough to have confidence the group is being limited by the gun/ammo, vs just my own limitations. Those groups you posted are amazing.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 7:18:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MOLON, can you post what method you use to test this? Even with sandbags, I can't seem to hold a pistol steady enough to have confidence the group is being limited by the gun/ammo, vs just my own limitations. Those groups you posted are amazing. This and gun/load data please. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 8:58:53 AM EDT
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Precision Delta 124s deserve a test and they are available.
Same basic design as the HAP. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 4:14:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MOLON, can you post what method you use to test this? To evaluate the absolute accuracy/precision of the Hornady 9mm HAP bullets I used a Colt 6450 with a free-floated Noveske barrel. .... |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 6:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To evaluate the absolute accuracy/precision of the Hornady 9mm HAP bullets I used a Colt 6450 with a free-floated Noveske barrel. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/noveske_9mm_barrel_003__resized-2280699.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/molon_benchrest_004-2280698.jpg .... Haha! Awesome. |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 7:28:29 PM EDT
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And now I know why I had no chance of measuring up.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 9:34:59 PM EDT
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I didnt see that coming.
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Posted: 2/15/2022 10:29:30 PM EDT
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I feel much better about my pistol groups now!
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:27:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To evaluate the absolute accuracy/precision of the Hornady 9mm HAP bullets I used a Colt 6450 with a free-floated Noveske barrel. .... Load data? Thanks. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 6:39:57 PM EDT
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Those are great groups.
Impressive to that even "pistol" rounds can be so precise. Does the Noveske barreled upper tend to be a consistently precise shooter with "most" factory ammo ? Just curious. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 7:03:55 PM EDT
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Just for reference, that’s a 50 yard factory target using Atlanta Arms 115 grain XTPs. Im assuming it was shot from a Ransom rest. The point is, those XTP profile bullets really do shoot.
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Posted: 2/18/2022 7:10:37 PM EDT
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So, If you were to actually work up the load best suited for your particular pistol barrel like rifle shooters do, imagine what you'd be able to achieve.
I like HAP bullets but for USPSA stuff I use Blue Bullets or some other powder coated to save money. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 7:23:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, If you were to actually work up the load best suited for your particular pistol barrel like rifle shooters do, imagine what you'd be able to achieve. People spend a lot of time and money searching for the right rifle/bullet combination. What often gets overlooked is that pistols and bullets work much the same way. I’ve seen as much as a 6” shift at 25 yards with different pistol bullets. |
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Posted: 2/19/2022 12:45:46 PM EDT
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115 XTP and Power Pistol. Chambers built PPC pistol.
Ransom rest. 
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Posted: 2/20/2022 11:28:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 115 XTP and Power Pistol. Chambers built PPC pistol. Ransom rest. Distance? How many rounds? Load data? Are all the groups you shoot with that ammo and gun that small? What do they measure? Thanks! |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 2:10:50 PM EDT
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What is a PPC Pistol?
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Posted: 2/20/2022 5:15:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 6:58:59 PM EDT
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My CK open gun will put 115gr HAP's into 1" groups at 25 yards with a very stout load of AA7.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 8:53:18 PM EDT
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Excellent shooting Folks !!!!!
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Posted: 2/20/2022 9:51:04 PM EDT
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thats interesting. I always thought the 125 HAP was for 38 super. It is .356 The 115 HAP is .355
I've bought a couple cases of the 115 HAP from LuckyGunner (they sell components in addition to ammo and have some interesting stuff sometimes). The 115 HAP used to me my go to round but I'm probably going to switch to the RMR hollow points as they are about the same price and the RMR guy is cool |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 10:41:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Distance? How many rounds? Load data? Are all the groups you shoot with that ammo and gun that small? What do they measure? Thanks! 50 Yards. 10 shots. Alliant Power Pistol. Yes. Most every bullet combo will shoot almost this good. But this load with Power Pistol is just plain awesome in this KKM barrel. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 11:02:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 50 Yards. 10 shots. Alliant Power Pistol. Yes. Most every bullet combo will shoot almost this good. But this load with Power Pistol is just plain awesome in this KKM barrel. How much power pistol? Thanks. |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 7:09:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the Noveske barreled upper tend to be a consistently precise shooter with "most" factory ammo ? Just curious. Just as with rifle calibers, you'll be hard pressed to find a factory load that shoots as well as a good hand-load. Also as with rifle calibers if you spend the money for top-tier factory loads, you can get some great results.  ... |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 7:20:34 PM EDT
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Always look forward to your posts, no disappointment here.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:15:44 PM EDT
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Primers: Federal Gold Medal Match
Brass: Starline, Lapua or Federal Top Gun Powder: Winchester Action Pistol 115 grain HAP, velocity from a 4" semi-automatic handgun ~ 1150 FPS 125 grain HAP, velocity from a 4" semi-automatic handgun ~ 1100 FPS ... |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 10:01:01 PM EDT
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Molon, Thank You.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:37:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is a PPC Pistol? Police Pistol Combat https://americanhandgunner.com/handguns/the-nra-ppc-course-of-fire/ .... |
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