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Hey Phil1712 know what your Evil Black Marlin is missing.(Update #2-The sidesaddle is done.) (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 9/20/2009 9:35:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Holloway][Edited]
I should have it done by November.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
O My I want one
Sorry guys. I hate to disappoint y'all but I have neither the financial resources or the machinery to manufacture these on a production level. I will how ever show y'all how to make your own. You will need a drill press, a set of files and a dremel.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
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Originally Posted By Holloway:
Sorry guys. I hate to disappoint y'all but I have neither the financial resources or the machinery to manufacture these on a production level. I will how ever show y'all how to make your own. You will need a drill press, a set of files and a dremel. I got a Mill, more files then I know what to do with and an air grinder. That good enough? 
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Originally Posted By Phil1712:
Originally Posted By Holloway:
Sorry guys. I hate to disappoint y'all but I have neither the financial resources or the machinery to manufacture these on a production level. I will how ever show y'all how to make your own. You will need a drill press, a set of files and a dremel. I got a Mill, more files then I know what to do with and an air grinder. That good enough? I believe I would braze the picatinny lugs on to save a bunch of time on the mill. Might make the part a little heavy, but a few strategic holes and slots would take out an insignificant amount of weight that would magnify the tacticool awesomeness by a power of 8, not to mention the little brass line around each lug. Coolness measurements might need to go to a decibel scale. Forgot the smiley:
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It's true, Obama is the Leader of Fools deluded to believe, "Everything is going to change now".
As for me, I will embrace what is Right more tightly than ever.
1 lbf = 32.174 lbm-ft/sec^2
As for me, I will embrace what is Right more tightly than ever.
1 lbf = 32.174 lbm-ft/sec^2
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Originally Posted By AeroE:
Originally Posted By Phil1712:
Originally Posted By Holloway:
Sorry guys. I hate to disappoint y'all but I have neither the financial resources or the machinery to manufacture these on a production level. I will how ever show y'all how to make your own. You will need a drill press, a set of files and a dremel. I got a Mill, more files then I know what to do with and an air grinder. That good enough? I believe I would braze the picatinny lugs on to save a bunch of time on the mill. Might make the part a little heavy, but a few strategic holes and slots would take out an insignificant amount of weight that would magnify the tacticool awesomeness by a power of 8, not to mention the little brass line around each lug. Coolness measurements might need to go to a decibel scale. I might end up modifying a rail system to fit a 336. I'm going to dabble in the idea of a Son of Evil Black Marlin and get myself a nice 1894 in 357/38 and start a new project. |
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As much as I dislike four rail forearms, I am severely tempted to commission a lever gun with a railed forearm and bayonet lug. It needs a tactical butt stock with a spare ammo magazine similar to the Lone Wolf stocks and a butt pad with maybe an inch of adjustment.
The forearm needs to be long enough for a bi-pod; I'm thinking a full round forearm for the normal length with the lower half extended to within an inch or so of the bayonet lug. I would forgo ammo carry on the rail. Needs sling swivels set up for carry at the ready position. I also like the idea of ghost ring sights and an extended eye relief scope. Maybe modify the stock for a through bolt, but that would eliminate the ammo door. Large loop lever. Chambered for a cartridge with enough horsepower and even Cooper would approve. TR would probably swoon. |
It's true, Obama is the Leader of Fools deluded to believe, "Everything is going to change now".
As for me, I will embrace what is Right more tightly than ever.
1 lbf = 32.174 lbm-ft/sec^2
As for me, I will embrace what is Right more tightly than ever.
1 lbf = 32.174 lbm-ft/sec^2
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It's not supposed to be practical. For that, I'll stick four or five cartridges in my shirt pocket, a folding knife on my belt, and tie on my hiking boots.
But a bi-pod that extends far enough to use while sitting would allow the lever to work. It all depends on whether the target is shooting back, and the cover. |
It's true, Obama is the Leader of Fools deluded to believe, "Everything is going to change now".
As for me, I will embrace what is Right more tightly than ever.
1 lbf = 32.174 lbm-ft/sec^2
As for me, I will embrace what is Right more tightly than ever.
1 lbf = 32.174 lbm-ft/sec^2
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Small update. I will be using 2" aluminum tubing and 1.875" 1.75" aluminum round bar to make the handgaurd. I'm going to order these rails blanks and this casting resin Monday.
oops, type in the wrong number.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
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Originally Posted By Holloway:
Small update. I will be using 2" aluminum tubing and 1.875" aluminum round bar to make the handgaurd. I'm going to order these rails blanks and this casting resin Monday. Keep us posted. I can't wait. |
| Phil1712 how well do you like the Ram-Line stock. I can't decide if I should buy it or just paint my existing stock black. |
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
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Originally Posted By Holloway:
Phil1712 how well do you like the Ram-Line stock. I can't decide if I should buy it or just paint my existing stock black. The ram line is nice, the fore end is my favorite part really. It is slim, easy to hold, and best of all, because it is plastic, weight goes down by a lot. The fore end is actually the same width as the receiver itself, it isnt bulky like current production stocks. Yes, it is plastic, yes it does have that ugly seam, yes, when you knock on it, it makes that 'yup I'm a plastic stock' sound, but I wanted weight reduction and that is what the Ram Line gives you. I had to fit my buttstock a little, but it isn't anything you can't handle. |
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Originally Posted By Holloway:
Anyone have an idea for BUIS? I think the sights for AR15s will be too tall. Try modifying a set of Brockmans sights. They are winged, much like the AR15 sights and they are well made. If you want you could modify those to either sit in or on the rail. Worst comes to worst, use AR sights and try a cheek riser, but that may look rather ridiculous. |
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Originally Posted By Phil1712:
Originally Posted By Holloway:
Anyone have an idea for BUIS? I think the sights for AR15s will be too tall. Try modifying a set of Brockmans sights. They are winged, much like the AR15 sights and they are well made. If you want you could modify those to either sit in or on the rail. Worst comes to worst, use AR sights and try a cheek riser, but that may look rather ridiculous. Thanks Phil. Those sights are nice but a little expensive. I think I'm going to order this sight from Brownells. I also decided not to get the rail blanks from EGW. I'm going to order these rails instead. They are made to fit standard AR15 rifle length handguards but should work. |
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
Made a little progress today. I still have to cut the tube to length. Tomorrow I'll start working on the end caps.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
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Originally Posted By Holloway:
Been screwing around with paint today.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/holloway1985/trick_out_marlin.jpg The stock hinge is genius. The forearm assembly needs integral bi-pod legs that fold flush. |
It's true, Obama is the Leader of Fools deluded to believe, "Everything is going to change now".
As for me, I will embrace what is Right more tightly than ever.
1 lbf = 32.174 lbm-ft/sec^2
As for me, I will embrace what is Right more tightly than ever.
1 lbf = 32.174 lbm-ft/sec^2
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Originally Posted By AeroE:
Originally Posted By Holloway:
Been screwing around with paint today.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/holloway1985/trick_out_marlin.jpg The stock hinge is genius. The forearm assembly needs integral bi-pod legs that fold flush. I don't see a hinge......... |
Woe is my country [img]icon_smile_dissapprove.gif[/img]
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Originally Posted By Gone_Shootin:
Originally Posted By AeroE:
Originally Posted By Holloway:
Been screwing around with paint today.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/holloway1985/trick_out_marlin.jpg The stock hinge is genius. The forearm assembly needs integral bi-pod legs that fold flush. I don't see a hinge......... You're right, I didn't look close enough. The raised step on the receiver, the screw, and the safety button look like a side folder hinge at first glance. In any case, the gun needs one, just because, although I'm no fan of side folders as I've only ever handled one rifle that had one that worked worth a hoot. |
It's true, Obama is the Leader of Fools deluded to believe, "Everything is going to change now".
As for me, I will embrace what is Right more tightly than ever.
1 lbf = 32.174 lbm-ft/sec^2
As for me, I will embrace what is Right more tightly than ever.
1 lbf = 32.174 lbm-ft/sec^2
Made a little more progress today. The front end cap is almost finished. I just requires polishing. The rear end cap needs more work. The casting resin will be here on the 5th. I not not received any shipping notices from the company I order the rails from yet. So far every thing is going great which means I'm about to fu@k something up.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
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Wow. Remember last year when XS said they had a railed lever forend coming, then it mysteriously disappeared off their website? You could make a killing if you got a patent & rounded up a couple of investors. Or just sold the idea to a company willing to produce it.
One thing I'm not sure about, though. Why the cartridge holder? I know you can't put one on the right side for obvious reasons, it just seems like it'd be clumsy on the left, since the loading gate is on the right. Of course, with the loading gate on the right, you pretty much have to take your firing hand off the weapon to reload, no matter where you keep your spares. Unless you're a lefty. Suppose you could just cant the rifle over, though. Or put them in the holder bullet-up, so you could reach under the receiver with your right... Okay, I'm rambling. Great idea! Can't wait to see how it turns out! |
Two are one, one is none.
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Originally Posted By obcbeaker:
Wow. Remember last year when XS said they had a railed lever forend coming, then it mysteriously disappeared off their website? You could make a killing if you got a patent & rounded up a couple of investors. Or just sold the idea to a company willing to produce it. One thing I'm not sure about, though. Why the cartridge holder? I know you can't put one on the right side for obvious reasons, it just seems like it'd be clumsy on the left, since the loading gate is on the right. Of course, with the loading gate on the right, you pretty much have to take your firing hand off the weapon to reload, no matter where you keep your spares. Unless you're a lefty. Suppose you could just cant the rifle over, though. Or put them in the holder bullet-up, so you could reach under the receiver with your right... Okay, I'm rambling. Great idea! Can't wait to see how it turns out! While there is a market for this type of item, it seems to be pretty small. That is probably why none of the major manufactures are making any. That is what I'm planning to do.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
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Update
That rails came in today. The casting resin should be here soon. I order these rails from combathunting.com First let me say, I have no affiliation with this company and hope never to. They screwed up my order. The rails I ordered are .31" tall. They also carry .40" and .64". They sent me two .31" rails and two .40" rails. The rails are package in their own plastic sleeves with no item number or any type of label. I'm guessing who ever put my package together did not look closely enough to make sure I got the right ones. The box they use rather over sized. Measuring at 13.25"x11.75"x2.5". They did not use any type of filler material allowing the rails to move freely in the box. There are a couple of dings. A mailing tube would have been better suited for my package. The rails have different profiles so even if I cut the .40" rails to .31" they will not match. Each rail has a slight twist to them and are slightly warped but for $12.49 each I was not expecting top quality. Another problem I have is the lack of information on combathunting.com. It did not say what type of finish is used on the rails. Now that I have them in my hands it appears to be a textured paint. Probably to hide machining marks. Would I order these rails again? Hell no. If I build another rail system again, I will spend more on quality rail blanks. Will I order from combathunting.com again? Don't hold your breath. Time for some pics. Here you can see some of the slots are off. 
Notice the gap. 
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
I now have the handguard fitted to the rifle. There was definitely more filing than I thought there would be. Maybe I should invest in one of them milling machines. Tomorrow, I'll start working on fitting the rails.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
There are a lot of variations one could try. Maybe something with an adjustable stock  |
“Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.” - Buckaroo Banzai 1984
"When you find a find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it." - Dilbert 2009
"When you find a find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it." - Dilbert 2009
Well, I no longer have access to torch. Instead of brazing the rails to the tube, I will use machine screws and J-B weld. To countersink the screws I will use a Ryobi #8 countersink bit. A set of four cost 11 bucks so I'm not too worried about breaking it. However, I don't want to fuck up my rails. I decided to test the bit on a piece of scrap rail. The results were great. First, I used a spring loaded punch to mark the center of the slot. Then clamped it the my drill press table. I know I used the wrong type of clamp here but I did not care about marring the rail. When I drill the actual rails, I will use better clamps. I applied a few drops of oil before drilling. I was not sure how far down to drill so I feed it very slowly. When I was satisfied with the depth I stop. Later, I can used this piece of rail to set the stop on my drill press. After clearing away the chips, I removed the countersink bit and chucked in a #18 drill bit. I used it to open the hole for the #8 screw.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
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Some of the things people on this website come up with just friggin amaze me.
I want one!!! 
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Posted By 455SD: Newspaper, man. Newspaper.
Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite: meh... gives my garage floor that well used look.
Posted By Johnny_Reno: That's true. It's very difficult to throw your garage floor down the driveway.
Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite: meh... gives my garage floor that well used look.
Posted By Johnny_Reno: That's true. It's very difficult to throw your garage floor down the driveway.
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Interesting project. I am clueless when it comes to the tactical side of shooting but you got me thinking. What if you went with the XS Rail on top and simply modified the wood fore-end with additional rails? Seems it would be lighter weight and the pic rails should add strength. Would the forarm be too fragile? Ok, now you may be calling me a "Hillbilly" but considering the project you guys might qualify also.
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Originally Posted By Kapincrunch:
Interesting project. I am clueless when it comes to the tactical side of shooting but you got me thinking. What if you went with the XS Rail on top and simply modified the wood fore-end with additional rails? Seems it would be lighter weight and the pic rails should add strength. Would the forarm be too fragile? Ok, now you may be calling me a "Hillbilly" but considering the project you guys might qualify also. Welcome to ARFCOM Kapincrunch. 
First let me say, I ain't no hillbilly. I was born and raised in southwest Flordia and they ain't no hills down here.  Now why would I build a tactical lever gun? Why not. I and many others on this site like unusual firearms. I also like building things in ways only a few have done before. You could add rails to a wood fore-end but I don't think it would add any strength. Also, all type of woods will change with the environment causing shrinking, swelling and warping. Eventually the rails would loosen or may cause the fore-end to crack.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
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Originally Posted By Holloway:
I now have the handguard fitted to the rifle. There was definitely more filing than I thought there would be. Maybe I should invest in one of them milling machines. Tomorrow, I'll start working on fitting the rails.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/holloway1985/DSC02971.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/holloway1985/DSC02976.jpg Just get a milling table for your drill press. It will have alot of deflection to compensate for, but for tinkering, they're plenty good (and they're alot cheaper than a milling machine). |
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Harbor Freight has an inexpensive milling machine for $399. |
“Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.” - Buckaroo Banzai 1984
"When you find a find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it." - Dilbert 2009
"When you find a find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it." - Dilbert 2009
Almost done with the handguard. Just a little more polishing here the there. I will start working on the mold for the sidesaddle next weekend.
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."- Benjamin Franklin
Hey Phil1712 know what your Evil Black Marlin is missing.(Update #2-The sidesaddle is done.) (Page 1 of 4)
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