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Posted: 1/21/2022 9:07:34 AM EDT
 50 years old (today, per FOIA request); official C&R. Still can't wrap my head around an M10 being C&R; only a matter of time until all transferrables are C&R. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:06:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:24:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2022 11:54:26 AM EDT
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You are not supposed to laminate the orginal form.
Now you should request a certified copy to have because that one is no longer adequate as the original. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 11:57:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are not supposed to laminate the orginal form. Now you should request a certified copy to have because that one is no longer adequate as the original. You should request an eye exam, because that is a laminated color copy. Originals are secured away, never kept with the firearm. 
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Posted: 1/21/2022 12:18:07 PM EDT
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Great post, Happy 50th!
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Posted: 1/21/2022 1:11:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are not supposed to laminate the orginal form. Now you should request a certified copy to have because that one is no longer adequate as the original.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 1:24:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You are not supposed to laminate the orginal form. Now you should request a certified copy to have because that one is no longer adequate as the original. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsov82lsef_GIF-129.gif my RR Ar15 was from the 1st owner and his was laminated..... if not for it being laminated..I wouldn't have gotten the information correctly. I helped facilitate a person to person sale on an Mp40 that was amnesty registered but it was smugged on certain places on the form and it had to be corrected twice before it was approved....taking almost 1 year to do... if it was laminated... I doubt it would have happened. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 3:54:29 PM EDT
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
(I should do a FOIA request - although my MAC isn't that old.) |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 4:19:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! (I should do a FOIA request - although my MAC isn't that old.) If it's an original, the second digit should indicate the year of MFG. It'd at least give you a ballpark. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 5:13:45 PM EDT
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Happy birthday M10!
My M10/45 will be 50 next year! |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 7:38:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's an original, the second digit should indicate the year of MFG. It'd at least give you a ballpark. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! (I should do a FOIA request - although my MAC isn't that old.) If it's an original, the second digit should indicate the year of MFG. It'd at least give you a ballpark. Mine is a Texas/SWD MAC. Very near the end. I'm not sure how useful an FOIA would be though. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 2:11:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should request an eye exam, because that is a laminated color copy. Originals are secured away, never kept with the firearm. Eh whatever. Seems like a total waste of effort to laminate a xerox copy of something. If you could laminate the original then it would make sense to do so. |
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Posted: 1/23/2022 12:03:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh whatever. Seems like a total waste of effort to laminate a xerox copy of something. If you could laminate the original then it would make sense to do so. They last longer, don't need to be reprinted all the time, and can't be torn. Cheap insurance; I keep copies of all my paperwork, laminated, in a binder. |
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Posted: 1/23/2022 10:46:47 AM EDT
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Congrats! Mine is coded for 1973 but actually made in 1972. I have a one year birthday on my FORM-4 this week. So its been in jail this long waiting for approval! Meanwhile new E-file guys approvals move right past mine!
So as a C&R - One can in theory can ship directly to C&R licensee? in another state without an intermediate Class 03/02 dealer involved? THis makes it easier to transfer and sell. Does e-file also help this process? so suckers like me aren't waiting more than a year for what amounts to a NICS check with paper and fees. |
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Posted: 1/23/2022 6:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So as a C&R - One can in theory can ship directly to C&R licensee? in another state without an intermediate Class 03/02 dealer involved? THis makes it easier to transfer and sell. Does e-file also help this process? so suckers like me aren't waiting more than a year for what amounts to a NICS check with paper and fees. From the NFA Handbook (10.2.2), "A licensed collector may receive an NFA curio or relic firearm directly from any person in any State." NFA items would require the single transfer from the seller to the C&R licensee and you can ship directly to the licensee upon transfer. Link HERE. E-file doesn't offer any unique processing advantage to C&R holders over an individual transfer. You can verify the C&R status for an item from the latest list (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics). If the item is not already in the C&R list, you can get a determination before submitting the Form 4. |
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Posted: 1/23/2022 8:34:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the NFA Handbook (10.2.2), "A licensed collector may receive an NFA curio or relic firearm directly from any person in any State." NFA items would require the single transfer from the seller to the C&R licensee and you can ship directly to the licensee upon transfer. Link HERE. E-file doesn't offer any unique processing advantage to C&R holders over an individual transfer. You can verify the C&R status for an item from the latest list (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics). If the item is not already in the C&R list, you can get a determination before submitting the Form 4. Thanks for the information. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 1:33:13 AM EDT
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I believe only dealers can efile form 4’s at this point.
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Posted: 2/1/2022 10:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe only dealers can efile form 4’s at this point. No. The buyer has always been responsible for a form 4. Just some dealers are nice enough to do it for you. Individuals have sent in eform 4s. |
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Posted: 2/1/2022 11:30:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The buyer has always been responsible for a form 4. Just some dealers are nice enough to do it for you. Individuals have sent in eform 4s. Paper form 4’s yes. No e-form 4’s have even come back yet. Only dealers can e-file form 4’s so far…  https://www.atf.gov/firearms/applications-eforms A C&R license might satisfy the ffl requirement? |
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