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Posted: 4/18/2018 11:10:50 AM EDT
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When I first started looking at MP5 clones the only options were a HK 94 or Todd Bailey. There are way more options now.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:54:12 PM EDT
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I have the bug for an MP5 clone. Any opinion on the Zenith MKE Z-5RS?
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:23:31 PM EDT
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I have the bug for an MP5 clone. Any opinion on the Zenith MKE Z-5RS? |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:41:18 PM EDT
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Yeah, tis a good time for roller lockers. I wonder if I still have the Ohio rapid fire certificate from that group buy fiasco.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:42:20 PM EDT
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Things are way better now. The platform is still running strong despite its age, as evidenced by the number of manufacturers making them now. It can only be a good thing, as parts, mags, and accessories will probably increase as well, not to mention the options one has in choosing a manufacturer.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 3:53:05 PM EDT
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Man it is good times. Just wish we could get HK to make cheaper mags - the market is there! Spooky |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 5:23:16 PM EDT
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ETS is scheduled to release mp5 mags in May...in 4 different capacities no less. Clear as always. They should be awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man it is good times. Just wish we could get HK to make cheaper mags - the market is there! Spooky |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 5:25:22 PM EDT
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C'mon BP, there's no need to be a negative Nelly! ETS has delivered cool stuff in the past. It's not like it's the Serbu SU-15 or the Glock carbine here.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 5:30:05 PM EDT
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Once a commercially available collapsing brace hits the market and if PSA can hit the mark with price/quality I expect the MP5 scene to really take off.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 6:47:54 PM EDT
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Another question:
Which do you think is a better deal? PTR 9ct with arm brace for $1899. Made in USA. http://www.kellyenterprises.net/firearms/ptr-industries-sniper-rifle/ptr-9ct-9mm-mlok-pistol-w-armbrace-bag-and-accessories-detail.html Zenith Z-5RS without brace for $1724. Made in Turkey. http://www.kellyenterprises.net/new-firearms-promotions/mke-zenith-z-5rs-9mm-pistol-wide-handguard-detail.html |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 7:33:53 PM EDT
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Another question: Which do you think is a better deal? PTR 9ct with arm brace for $1899. Made in USA. http://www.kellyenterprises.net/firearms/ptr-industries-sniper-rifle/ptr-9ct-9mm-mlok-pistol-w-armbrace-bag-and-accessories-detail.html Zenith Z-5RS without brace for $1724. Made in Turkey. http://www.kellyenterprises.net/new-firearms-promotions/mke-zenith-z-5rs-9mm-pistol-wide-handguard-detail.html I was indecisive over which of the more easily available MP copies (PTR, POF, Zenith) I was going to go with until I had a long talk with Chuck at Kelly. I think you'll be happy with either the PTR or the Zenith. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 8:01:07 PM EDT
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I remember Max Cap dropping the price on their 40 rounders
way back when. I wish I had bought more, but my 94 sits in the back of the safe since there are so many other cool 9mm PCC's. The 94 has been relegated to an heirloom for my family. I think they were selling them for $16.95 each for a while. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 8:51:56 PM EDT
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Uh No, no way it's even close. The golden age was back when you could (and I did) buy NIB HK 94's for $400. Some will lie and say that's equivalent to the current cost today but that's BS. I was in college working part time and living in a roach infested efficiency apartment when I bought my first HK for that price.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 8:55:38 PM EDT
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I personally am interested in the PSA offering coming in the future.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 9:06:38 PM EDT
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I personally am interested in the PSA offering coming in the future. 
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Posted: 4/18/2018 9:07:02 PM EDT
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Man it is good times. Just wish we could get HK to make cheaper mags - the market is there! Spooky |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 9:08:09 PM EDT
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I personally am interested in the PSA offering coming in the future. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/01/11/hk-psa-palmetto-state-armory/ |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 9:34:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I doubt I'd buy the PSA one, but I do like the idea that PSA might put some pricing pressure on the rest of the competition. MKE/Zenith makes a damn good mp5, but another $100-200 cheaper would be awesome. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 9:40:05 PM EDT
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Another question: Which do you think is a better deal? PTR 9ct with arm brace for $1899. Made in USA. http://www.kellyenterprises.net/firearms/ptr-industries-sniper-rifle/ptr-9ct-9mm-mlok-pistol-w-armbrace-bag-and-accessories-detail.html Zenith Z-5RS without brace for $1724. Made in Turkey. http://www.kellyenterprises.net/new-firearms-promotions/mke-zenith-z-5rs-9mm-pistol-wide-handguard-detail.html 
I have 2 zeniths and they run great. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 10:39:45 PM EDT
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PSA will be a lifetime warranty my good sir.  if they turn out to be shit hot, it's possible I'll get one... I'd rather just have the pricing pressure though, if it comes to anything.
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Posted: 4/19/2018 5:54:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2018 8:23:35 AM EDT
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Uh No, no way it's even close. The golden age was back when you could (and I did) buy NIB HK 94's for $400. Some will lie and say that's equivalent to the current cost today but that's BS. I was in college working part time and living in a roach infested efficiency apartment when I bought my first HK for that price. Earl |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 12:23:57 PM EDT
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Watch Gunbroker like a hawk and you might get a deal on a used MKE.
99% happy with this older AT94P. So far it shoots all 147gr flatpoints I have tried using KCI mags. 
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Posted: 4/19/2018 12:26:46 PM EDT
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Watch Gunbroker like a hawk and you might get a deal on a used MKE. 99% happy with this older AT94P. So far it shoots all 147gr flatpoints I have tried using KCI mags. https://www.flickr.com/gp/151953216@N05/1915Yb |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 12:35:28 PM EDT
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I love mine, it's all 922R/SBR'd up. For me the Zenith was the only logical answer from a features standpoint and a value standpoint it cannot be beat. Runs like a top Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have the bug for an MP5 clone. Any opinion on the Zenith MKE Z-5RS? |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 5:49:58 PM EDT
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Uh No, no way it's even close. The golden age was back when you could (and I did) buy NIB HK 94's for $400. Some will lie and say that's equivalent to the current cost today but that's BS. I was in college working part time and living in a roach infested efficiency apartment when I bought my first HK for that price. Earl The best times for MP5 were pre-86 when you could get a HK-94 and have it converted to MP5 for less than $1000. |
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Posted: 4/19/2018 5:53:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. The best times for MP5 were pre-86 when you could get a HK-94 and have it converted to MP5 for less than $1000. 
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Posted: 4/19/2018 6:19:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yep. The best times for MP5 were pre-86 when you could 4th a HK-94 and have it converted to MP5 for less than $1000.
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Posted: 4/21/2018 7:46:43 PM EDT
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Yeah, tis a good time for roller lockers. I wonder if I still have the Ohio rapid fire certificate from that group buy fiasco. |
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Posted: 4/21/2018 7:52:28 PM EDT
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Yep. The best times for MP5 were pre-86 when you could get a HK-94 and have it converted to MP5 for less than $1000. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uh No, no way it's even close. The golden age was back when you could (and I did) buy NIB HK 94's for $400. Some will lie and say that's equivalent to the current cost today but that's BS. I was in college working part time and living in a roach infested efficiency apartment when I bought my first HK for that price. Earl The best times for MP5 were pre-86 when you could get a HK-94 and have it converted to MP5 for less than $1000. That was a cosmic process in the pre-internet days - not as much knowledge readily available as there is today. You had to know someone who knew someone back then. But I would have loved to been in on that action! I do remember seeing an HK94 with the shroud and VFG at the first gun show I ever went to (in a school gym no less). Also had a guy offer me a full conversion package in the late 90s for $15k - should have bought that and not a used Dodge Ram... Spooky |
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Posted: 4/21/2018 9:47:34 PM EDT
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The PTR 9CT is a very nice unit and comes with a Full auto carrier and is NFA Ready for ( SBR ) Short Barrel rifle conversion. The Zenith series is very solid but does not offer those features. Below is a pic of the PTR with a SB Tactical side folder brace. SBT5 http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/ptr91%209ct%20(14%20of%2016).jpg |
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Posted: 4/21/2018 10:28:14 PM EDT
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Yeah yeah, pre 86 was awesome. I think the key point of the thread is that it's likely that things are never going to be better in the future...in fact it's much more likely to get worse. It's prolly just a matter of time before imports get screwed, or braces get screwed, or high caps get banned or perhaps all of the above. No, we can't get full auto in 2018 (cheaply), but we have it pretty darn good otherwise.
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Posted: 4/22/2018 9:19:18 AM EDT
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The PTR 9CT is a very nice unit and comes with a Full auto carrier and is NFA Ready for ( SBR ) Short Barrel rifle conversion. The Zenith series is very solid but does not offer those features. Below is a pic of the PTR with a SB Tactical side folder brace. SBT5 http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/ptr91%209ct%20(14%20of%2016).jpg |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 11:18:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hahaha! I was trying to remember the name of that company out of Ohio... I've got that certificate around here somewhere. I bought a lot of AK kits from them. |
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Posted: 6/22/2018 8:50:44 PM EDT
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Question for those in the know... How are the Bobcat BW89 clones? I have the opportunity to buy one locally, and I've always wanted a clone (or real one if the opportunity came). Thanks in advance!
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Posted: 6/23/2018 9:14:53 AM EDT
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Watch Gunbroker like a hawk and you might get a deal on a used MKE. 99% happy with this older AT94P. So far it shoots all 147gr flatpoints I have tried using KCI mags. https://farm1.staticflickr.com/786/40523374885_92fb7fa7b9.jpg |
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Posted: 6/23/2018 8:49:02 PM EDT
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Uh No, no way it's even close. The golden age was back when you could (and I did) buy NIB HK 94's for $400. Some will lie and say that's equivalent to the current cost today but that's BS. I was in college working part time and living in a roach infested efficiency apartment when I bought my first HK for that price. Earl |
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Posted: 6/23/2018 8:58:03 PM EDT
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I just took my MP5K out for a test drive. I enjoy running it. Two mags without a hitch and on target every shot!
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Posted: 6/24/2018 1:53:59 PM EDT
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Question for those in the know... How are the Bobcat BW89 clones? I have the opportunity to buy one locally, and I've always wanted a clone (or real one if the opportunity came). Thanks in advance! |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 7:47:47 PM EDT
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It truly is a great time for mp5 action! Who wants to buy a neutered hk when you can buy the real, licensed product for less?
Personally, I'm still waiting for Zenith to bring in more z5p's. I should have bought one when I ordered my z5rs.
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Posted: 6/30/2018 6:38:34 PM EDT
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Ditto on everything he said. ^^^ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have the bug for an MP5 clone. Any opinion on the Zenith MKE Z-5RS? Seriously though - the only problem I have with my Z5RS SBR is that it is addictive, now I really want the K version as well. 
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Posted: 7/1/2018 12:28:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tritto. Wait, that can't be right. What these guys said, yea, that's better. Seriously though - the only problem I have with my Z5RS SBR is that it is addictive, now I really want the K version as well. 
I snatched up a k as soon as I could. I was on 3 waitlists. Stamp pending 
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Posted: 7/1/2018 12:27:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38811/0C05FB49-5659-467B-9A02-B2B35959D64A-544706.jpg I snatched up a k as soon as I could. I was on 3 waitlists. Stamp pending https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38811/C0720635-04ED-411B-B5BD-45E08CDC981D-571437.jpg |
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Posted: 7/1/2018 4:42:48 PM EDT
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What mag is that? |
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Posted: 7/1/2018 5:26:45 PM EDT
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What mag is that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/1/2018 6:28:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MKE polymer Smoke. They’ve run 100%, and we’re 2/$60. |
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Posted: 7/1/2018 7:38:01 PM EDT
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Never seen those, I though it was those elusive ETS mags they keep teasing that will probably never happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: MKE polymer Smoke. They’ve run 100%, and we’re 2/$60. |
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Posted: 7/1/2018 8:21:37 PM EDT
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Never seen those, I though it was those elusive ETS mags they keep teasing that will probably never happen. |
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