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Posted: 3/31/2021 6:22:58 PM EDT
Looking at the B&T APC PRO K...  Besides trying to swallow the price on what is a blowback 9mm, I was thinking of where to engrave it.

I was planning to get a Glock lower and understand the lowers are an easily replaced mail order item.  Upper is the receiver.  I don't plan to swap lowers.

Am I better off engraving the lower in case it is ever sold as an non NFA item?  Lower can be replaced and if not, its easier to mill a recess and new owner can mark it with their trust info.

Thoughts?
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 6:47:24 PM EDT
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My understanding is that the NFA engraving must be on the serialized receiver, in this case the "upper", or the barrel.

I would wait for more people to chime in though.
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 7:43:13 PM EDT
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I would wait for more people to chime in though.
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Correct, I think we had this discussion recently.
Link Posted: 4/1/2021 8:41:08 AM EDT
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Correct, I think we had this discussion recently.
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My understanding is that the NFA engraving must be on the serialized receiver, in this case the "upper", or the barrel.

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Correct, I think we had this discussion recently.


no where does it say it has to be on the serialized receiver or frame.

link to SBR thread

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Engraving-only-on-part-that-configures-firearm-to-be-NFA-/51-522580/?page=1&anc=5489979#i5489979
Link Posted: 4/1/2021 11:18:49 AM EDT
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no where does it say it has to be on the serialized receiver or frame....
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My understanding is that the NFA engraving must be on the serialized receiver, in this case the "upper", or the barrel.

I would wait for more people to chime in though.



Correct, I think we had this discussion recently.


no where does it say it has to be on the serialized receiver or frame....

Nowhere did he say it has to be on the serialized receiver or frame....
In fact RenegadeX wrote "Correct" in response to "must be on the serialized receiver, in this case the "upper", or the barrel".
Link Posted: 4/1/2021 1:41:39 PM EDT
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no where does it say it has to be on the serialized receiver or frame.

link to SBR thread

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Engraving-only-on-part-that-configures-firearm-to-be-NFA-/51-522580/?page=1&anc=5489979#i5489979
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What Dogtown says if you are referencing me, if you are referencing the thread, third response actually says exactly that:


"The stock is not the "frame, reciever, or barrel" as required by law"
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/479.102
Link Posted: 4/1/2021 2:04:33 PM EDT
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Delete.
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He's not asking about a Glock brand pistol,  he's asking about a B&T APC 9 trigger module that accepts Glock pattern magazines.
Link Posted: 4/1/2021 2:48:36 PM EDT
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Yes, I noticed that after posting, hence my delete.
Link Posted: 4/1/2021 5:37:02 PM EDT
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this was the term relevant from the posted link and barrels are rarely serialized: "frame, receiver, or barrel"

also the posting had a good discussion on does anything even happen if you fail to engrave on a legal NFA item.  I would also only have one lower in my possession that fits the firearm.

so given all that, would the lower be the preferred place to engrave for a B&T APC?
Link Posted: 4/1/2021 6:18:26 PM EDT
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Serialized part of firearm gets engraved. Discussed here ad-nauseum.
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Serialized part of firearm gets engraved. Discussed here ad-nauseum.
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Serialized part of firearm gets engraved. Discussed here ad-nauseum.

Ummmm............no. While it is discussed ad nauseum, you still dont understand.

NFA engravings for a Form 1 "maker" can be on the frame, receiver OR barrel: §479.102   How must firearms be identified?
"Serialized part of firearm" is meaningless as many manufacturers mark multiple parts of a firearm with the serial#.....such as Glock.

While ATF regs require the serial# to be on the firearm frame or receiver, it doesn't prohibit a manufacturer from putting it on other parts.
§479.102   How must firearms be identified?
(a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows:

(1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and

(2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes:

(i) The model, if such designation has been made;

(ii) The caliber or gauge;

(iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;

(iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and

(v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.

(b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases).

(c) The Director may authorize other means of identification upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part.

(d) In the case of a destructive device, the Director may authorize other means of identifying that weapon upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) such a weapon would be dangerous or impracticable.

(e) A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section.

(f)(1) Any part defined as a machine gun, muffler, or silencer for the purposes of this part that is not a component part of a complete firearm at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section.

(2) The Director may authorize other means of identification of parts defined as machine guns other than frames or receivers and parts defined as mufflers or silencers upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part.

(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number 1140-0050)

[T.D. ATF-461, 66 FR 40601, Aug. 3, 2001, as amended by ATF-11F, 73 FR 57242, Oct. 2, 2008]
Link Posted: 4/2/2021 12:17:09 PM EDT
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You can engrave your info on the barrel. Unless your doing an 80% receiver build or something. Then the serial number is required to be on the receiver itself
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