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Posted: 3/17/2024 3:19:06 PM EDT
I'm cross shopping the YHM Turbo T3 and the EA Ferox. Both are about the same weight and size. Both are advertised as low back pressure cans. The Ferox is more expensive.
I can't see from the marketing data, which of these cans has any advantage over the other. @kedminster What makes the Ferox better? How do they compare in back pressure? My intended use is 8"-12" SBRs with muzzle brakes. Back pressure is a priority. |
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Posted: 3/17/2024 4:03:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dmk0210: I'm cross shopping the YHM Turbo T3 and the EA Ferox. Both are about the same weight and size. Both are advertised as low back pressure cans. The Ferox is more expensive. I can't see from the marketing data, which of these cans has any advantage over the other. @kedminster What makes the Ferox better? How do they compare in back pressure? My intended use is 8"-12" SBRs with muzzle brakes. Back pressure is a priority. YHM has a 10" barrel length minimum in 556, so keep that in mind. Also have to use their mounts if you want warranty coverage. Keep that in mind if you need to use it. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2024 4:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamahawarrior89: YHM has a 10" barrel length minimum in 556, so keep that in mind. Also have to use their mounts if you want warranty coverage. Keep that in mind if you need to use it. |
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Posted: 3/18/2024 4:39:24 PM EDT
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I’d opt for the Ferrox.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/18/2024 6:09:30 PM EDT
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Ferox is on my radar for sure. It will go on my bolt action .22-250
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/19/2024 9:16:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unseenSNIPER: I'd opt for the Ferrox. |
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Posted: 3/19/2024 10:59:36 AM EDT
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I’ve got a ferox in jail
Hopefully soon… |
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Posted: 3/19/2024 4:38:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kedminster]
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Originally Posted By dmk0210: I'm cross shopping the YHM Turbo T3 and the EA Ferox. Both are about the same weight and size. Both are advertised as low back pressure cans. The Ferox is more expensive. I can't see from the marketing data, which of these cans has any advantage over the other. @kedminster What makes the Ferox better? How do they compare in back pressure? My intended use is 8"-12" SBRs with muzzle brakes. Back pressure is a priority. Thank you for considering the Ferox! We did the development work for that silencer on a MK18 so that is exactly the type of SBR it is designed for. A balance of suppression and back pressure was the primary design goal for the Ferox while also maintaining optimized efficiency in terms of dB/oz. There are no barrel length restrictions on the Ferox under 1,000 deg. F. Full specs here I don't have a YHM T3 and have not shot one side-by-side with a Ferox so honest answer is I don't know how they compare. The Ferox does feature our patented serial ID ring so you are covered for life should you have an unexpected visit from the fuck-up fairy. It is HUB mount so you can use your choice of mounting system if you decide to go QD. Hope this info helps and please reach out if there are any other questions. Again I appreciate you considering the Ferox along with the YHM and hope you enjoy shooting whichever silencer you decide to go with! Karl Edminster Design Parameter Juggler Energetic Armament |
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Posted: 3/19/2024 4:40:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightSchneider: I’ve got a ferox in jail Hopefully soon… Thanks for being part of the Energetic family! I hope you will love shooting your Ferox. Karl Edminster Fingers Crossed for Fast Stamps Advocate Energetic Armament |
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Posted: 3/19/2024 4:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unseenSNIPER: I’d opt for the Ferrox. Thank you! |
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Posted: 3/19/2024 4:50:21 PM EDT
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No experience with the Ferrox, but I really like my Turbo 3 and Turbo K. Excellent cans for the money. And my one experience with YHM's service department for a mount issue was as pain free as possible. Only about a two week turnaround time and they were very fast with getting back to me and keeping me updated.
I am using the Turbo 3 on an 11.5" Daniel Defense that has an .069" gas port. It runs great on that with an H3 buffer and has been very reliable. It has a nice sound and other than first round pop the flash is about impossible to detect with your eye. So far I'm quite happy considering it was only $485. I did swap it over to the Kurz mount and mini brake. But was able to sell the included mount and brake which recouped most of that cost. Hope this helps. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 6:18:34 PM EDT
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@kedminster
I came away from SHOT24 impressed with the ferox…I’m pretty sure I talked to you for a little while. I was down there shopping for the department, and yours was the only can I ordered for myself when I got home. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2024 6:23:27 PM EDT
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Damnit, I don’t really even have a host, but I want one of these now. The thread with the innards of this can is good too.
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Posted: 3/21/2024 6:39:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightSchneider: I’ve got a ferox in jail Hopefully soon… What's the street price? Are they f/a rated? |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 8:05:45 PM EDT
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Yes to FA rated
Just under 7 from my guy |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 9:27:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weapons_free: What's the street price? Are they f/a rated? Lanbos sells them for ~$600 when in stock, + transfer fee |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 9:37:04 PM EDT
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Thanks guys might pick one up
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2024 9:42:53 PM EDT
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I absolutely love my T3.
If I was buying another 5.56 can, it would probably be another T3. Simply can’t touch it for the price IMO. Sounds fantastic and it’s considerably less blowback than other 5.56 suppressors I’ve shot. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 10:56:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11boomboom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: I absolutely love my T3. If I was buying another 5.56 can, it would probably be another T3. Simply can’t touch it for the price IMO. Sounds fantastic and it’s considerably less blowback than other 5.56 suppressors I’ve shot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TactiCoolBro: I absolutely love my T3. If I was buying another 5.56 can, it would probably be another T3. Simply can’t touch it for the price IMO. Sounds fantastic and it’s considerably less blowback than other 5.56 suppressors I’ve shot. Same.  Originally Posted By kedminster: Thank you for considering the Ferox! We did the development work for that silencer on a MK18 so that is exactly the type of SBR it is designed for. A balance of suppression and back pressure was the primary design goal for the Ferox while also maintaining optimized efficiency in terms of dB/oz. There are no barrel length restrictions on the Ferox under 1,000 deg. F. Full specs here I don't have a YHM T3 and have not shot one side-by-side with a Ferox so honest answer is I don't know how they compare. The Ferox does feature our patented serial ID ring so you are covered for life should you have an unexpected visit from the fuck-up fairy. It is HUB mount so you can use your choice of mounting system if you decide to go QD. Hope this info helps and please reach out if there are any other questions. Again I appreciate you considering the Ferox along with the YHM and hope you enjoy shooting whichever silencer you decide to go with! Karl Edminster Design Parameter Juggler Energetic Armament I really like my T3, but a post like this makes me lean towards the Ferox, OP. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2024 9:18:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I really like my T3, but a post like this makes me lean towards the Ferox, OP. I just ordered the TK from CA and I'll order the Ferox when I get my next paycheck. I'll likely get another Griffin Explorr after that. |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 9:20:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: I've made up my mind. I'm getting both the Ferox and a Turbo K RB. I just ordered the TK from CA and I'll order the Ferox when I get my next paycheck. I'll likely get another Griffin Explorr after that. Gratz! |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2024 9:24:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Gratz!
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Posted: 3/22/2024 9:58:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: I've made up my mind. I'm getting both the Ferox and a Turbo K RB. I just ordered the TK from CA and I'll order the Ferox when I get my next paycheck. I'll likely get another Griffin Explorr after that. I have the older TK as well and really want the new version after comparing it to my T3. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2024 10:25:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72: Getting both is always a solid plan. I have the older TK as well and really want the new version after comparing it to my T3. |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 11:48:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HansohnBrothers]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weapons_free: What's the street price? Are they f/a rated?  https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/energetic-armament/silencers/223-caliber/energetic-ferox/ |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 2:04:54 PM EDT
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What are the db levels?
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Posted: 3/22/2024 4:05:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightSchneider: @kedminster I came away from SHOT24 impressed with the ferox…I’m pretty sure I talked to you for a little while. I was down there shopping for the department, and yours was the only can I ordered for myself when I got home. Thank you! We appreciate you checking out our line of silencers and are honored you chose ours! Karl Edminster SHOT Show Talker-Till-I'm-Hoarse Guy Energetic Armament |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 4:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diesel1979: Damnit, I don’t really even have a host, but I want one of these now. The thread with the innards of this can is good too. Glad you liked the innards thread! I will try to post more of that stuff. Karl Edminster How It's Made Wannabe Producer Energetic Armament |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 4:10:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weapons_free: What's the street price? Are they f/a rated? Around the $700 mark. Yes, F/A rated. Karl Edminster Guy who put the 'rox in Ferox Energetic Armament |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 4:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Same. I really like my T3, but a post like this makes me lean towards the Ferox, OP. Thank you! Glad you appreciate my approach to interaction here  Karl Edminster Professionalism Matterer Energetic Armament |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 4:41:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strikefirst: What are the db levels? Of which silencer? With what host firearm, barrel length, tuning and buffer weight? What cartridge and bullet weight? Measured at what location? I only ask this to demonstrate that peak dB levels depend on so many factors that they really only mean something when the exact setup that was tested is defined and a range is given. This is 5.56 so you will have a noise floor ultimately limited by the sonic crack. Realistically you are probably looking at 147-155dB at the shooters ear depending on all these factors for a mid length typical setup. Like any other similar setup you will want to use hearing protection in addition to the sound attenuation provided by the silencer. Karl Edminster #define SOUND (unsupressed-suppressed) Energetic Armament |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 8:43:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Strikefirst]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kedminster: Of which silencer? With what host firearm, barrel length, tuning and buffer weight? What cartridge and bullet weight? Measured at what location? I only ask this to demonstrate that peak dB levels depend on so many factors that they really only mean something when the exact setup that was tested is defined and a range is given. This is 5.56 so you will have a noise floor ultimately limited by the sonic crack. Realistically you are probably looking at 147-155dB at the shooters ear depending on all these factors for a mid length typical setup. Like any other similar setup you will want to use hearing protection in addition to the sound attenuationed by the silencer. Karl Edminster #define SOUND (unsupressed-suppressed) Energetic Armament My answer to the above would be on any host and setup that you have tested. 10.5? 14.5? just a baseline would be nice. |
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Posted: 3/23/2024 12:00:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72: Getting both is always a solid plan. I have the older TK as well and really want the new version after comparing it to my T3. I too have a TK and have been curious about the upgraded Turbo line. Specifically in back pressure. Would you mind sharing your experience and the comparison between the two? Sounds like it was positive and the T3 is an upgrade. If you’d rather hit me up via IM but I’m sure others are interested in your experience as well. Thanks JBecker. |
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Posted: 3/23/2024 12:26:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tex45: I too have a TK and have been curious about the upgraded Turbo line. Specifically in back pressure. Would you mind sharing your experience and the comparison between the two? Sounds like it was positive and the T3 is an upgrade. If you'd rather hit me up via IM but I'm sure others are interested in your experience as well. Thanks JBecker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tex45: Originally Posted By JBecker_72: Getting both is always a solid plan. I have the older TK as well and really want the new version after comparing it to my T3. I too have a TK and have been curious about the upgraded Turbo line. Specifically in back pressure. Would you mind sharing your experience and the comparison between the two? Sounds like it was positive and the T3 is an upgrade. If you'd rather hit me up via IM but I'm sure others are interested in your experience as well. Thanks JBecker. The rifle I normally run the older TK on I swapped the gas tube for a reduced size BRT tube and that helped a lot. But I didn't feel the need to change anything with the T3. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/23/2024 5:18:30 PM EDT
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I run my T3 on an 11.5” upper with a .062” gas block. Blow back is very, very minimal, especially compared to a friends Sandman S.
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Posted: 3/23/2024 8:12:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kedminster: Thank you! Glad you appreciate my approach to interaction here Karl Edminster Professionalism Matterer Energetic Armament I appreciate your interacting here as well. I like that flash suppression is part of the Ferox design, but am unable to find anything online about it at the moment. What kind of performance are you seeing there? Any pictures or video available? Thanks. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 9:29:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KnightSchneider]
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Cleared NFA jail.
 Attached FileI’m running ASR, so the cans it will go up against are a SiCo Saker 5.56k, and a EA Vox S. Hoping to get out to the range Sunday. I plan to run those on a Geissele SD 11.5” and a Hellion 16” as I don’t have any piston driven sbrs. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2024 10:22:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightSchneider: Cleared NFA jail.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20662/IMG_7740_jpeg-3186571.JPG I'm running ASR, so the cans it will go up against are a SiCo Saker 5.56k, and a EA Vox S. Hoping to get out to the range Sunday. I plan to run those on a Geissele SD 11.5" and a Hellion 16" as I don't have any piston driven sbrs. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:18:03 PM EDT
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Well
Not the most scientific, but seems very encouraging. I shot 5 rounds unsuppressed, 5 rounds Saker 5.56k, 5 rounds ferox, 5 rounds vox s. In that order. I was shooting federal American eagle 62 gr ball, .223. Pretty mild stuff; on the weaker end of the spectrum. Unsuppressed and Ferox went into the same pile at about 4 o’clock. Vox s put three into the same pile as unsuppressed, and two at about 3:30. Saker 5.56k put them at about 2 o’clock. The saker has always been my gassiest 5.56 can. The tone was pleasant; I was shooting near some buildings, so it masks it to some extent, but it was definitely quieter than the k can. Overall I’m very pleased so far. It’s going to live on the 11.5” Geissele SD. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 7:51:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightSchneider: Well Not the most scientific, but seems very encouraging. I shot 5 rounds unsuppressed, 5 rounds Saker 5.56k, 5 rounds ferox, 5 rounds vox s. In that order. I was shooting federal American eagle 62 gr ball, .223. Pretty mild stuff; on the weaker end of the spectrum. Unsuppressed and Ferox went into the same pile at about 4 o'clock. Vox s put three into the same pile as unsuppressed, and two at about 3:30. Saker 5.56k put them at about 2 o'clock. The saker has always been my gassiest 5.56 can. The tone was pleasant; I was shooting near some buildings, so it masks it to some extent, but it was definitely quieter than the k can. Overall I'm very pleased so far. It's going to live on the 11.5" Geissele SD. The ejection pattern with the Ferox looks promising. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:30:30 PM EDT
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Put some more through the 11.5 SD/ Ferox.
It’s a pleasant combo. Here is a pic of the top round in the magazine after 15 rounds fired. Unsuppressed and suppressed. Doesn’t look like much more gas getting introduced.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:57:03 PM EDT
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Started digging around into the EA Vox K2 today, now yall got me interested in the Ferox as well!
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:32:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BladedRonin: Started digging around into the EA Vox K2 today, now yall got me interested in the Ferox as well! |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:42:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Just got my Ferox today! Just handling it, I'm pretty impressed. It feels very solid and durable. It weighs in at 12 5/8 oz with a Ti Plan A adapter so not super heavy. I like the flash hider end cap. This can seems very comparable to the Recce 5K size and weight wise. I look forward to seeing how they compare sound and back pressure wise.
One thing I noticed is the bore seems a bit generous. I noticed this on my ARX as well. Maybe that helps back pressure. It certainly will help give a little more forgiveness with the alignment rod on my 556 AKs. My ARX saved the day on my Saiga when other 556 cans were just kissing the alignment rod at the end cap. The Ferox looks good on my Galil. Feels good too.   |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:06:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightSchneider: Cleared NFA jail.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20662/IMG_7740_jpeg-3186571.JPG I’m running ASR, so the cans it will go up against are a SiCo Saker 5.56k, and a EA Vox S. Hoping to get out to the range Sunday. I plan to run those on a Geissele SD 11.5” and a Hellion 16” as I don’t have any piston driven sbrs. Honored to see the Ferox and Vox there! Thank you for being part of the Energetic Armament family and hope you love shooting both of them. Karl Edminster The EA 'Guy' Energetic Armament |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:07:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightSchneider: Well Not the most scientific, but seems very encouraging. I shot 5 rounds unsuppressed, 5 rounds Saker 5.56k, 5 rounds ferox, 5 rounds vox s. In that order. I was shooting federal American eagle 62 gr ball, .223. Pretty mild stuff; on the weaker end of the spectrum. Unsuppressed and Ferox went into the same pile at about 4 o’clock. Vox s put three into the same pile as unsuppressed, and two at about 3:30. Saker 5.56k put them at about 2 o’clock. The saker has always been my gassiest 5.56 can. The tone was pleasant; I was shooting near some buildings, so it masks it to some extent, but it was definitely quieter than the k can. Overall I’m very pleased so far. It’s going to live on the 11.5” Geissele SD. I really appreciate this range report! Always great to get this type of feedback from our shooters. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:14:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: Just got my Ferox today! Just handling it, I'm pretty impressed. It feels very solid and durable. It weighs in at 12 5/8 oz with a Ti Plan A adapter so not super heavy. I like the flash hider end cap. This can seems very comparable to the Recce 5K size and weight wise. I look forward to seeing how they compare sound and back pressure wise. One thing I noticed is the bore seems a bit generous. I noticed this on my ARX as well. Maybe that helps back pressure. It certainly will help give a little more forgiveness with the alignment rod on my 556 AKs. My ARX saved the day on my Saiga when other 556 cans were just kissing the alignment rod at the end cap. The Ferox looks good on my Galil. Feels good too. https://i.imgur.com/TyIVV00.jpeg Glad your stamp came quickly! That is a sharp looking setup. Will look forward to your feedback when you get to the range and put it through it's paces. Bore sizing is always a delicate balance in design; we have iterated through a bunch of sizes during development and found this to be the optimized bore. Karl Edminster Bore Aperture Balancer Energetic Armament |
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