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Posted: 7/24/2022 1:12:49 PM EDT
As I understand the story:
  • MKE guy tries to sell TDP for MPT-76 and the other one -55 I think (no mention of MP5 data I've seen in any article)
  • Zenith alerts Turkish police about the deal
  • MKE guy goes to prison
  • MKE gets upset, starts to retaliate and drags out Zenith's business until they announce they have a new American beau (Century)
  • Zenith begins making and selling MP5 clones

Did KK at Zenith end up getting the TDP earlier and just keeping it or, what?

Link Posted: 7/24/2022 2:58:38 PM EDT
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Manufactured in Afton, Virginia.
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 3:09:53 PM EDT
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Yes, but I'm asking about the tdp which is basically exactly how to make them.  They didn't Google it.
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 3:14:30 PM EDT
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Yes, but I'm asking about the tdp which is basically exactly how to make them.  They didn't Google it.
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Manufactured in Afton, Virginia.
Yes, but I'm asking about the tdp which is basically exactly how to make them.  They didn't Google it.


What makes you think they have it?

Do you think Special Weapons, Bobcat, Vector, RCM, Coharie, and PTR did/do ????

"Reverse engineering" is a thing
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 3:53:00 PM EDT
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What makes you think they have it?

Do you think Special Weapons, Bobcat, Vector, BCM, Coharie, and PTR did/do ????

"Reverse engineering" is a thing
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It's absolutely possible but the timing and history is suspect.  And apparently they nailed it the first run of guns?  Sus
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 4:25:46 PM EDT
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I'm confused. Zenith was simply importing MKE guns.   They were not manufacturing anything.    It was simply importation.  Once the business relationship broke down, Century stepped in and is now the importer.

I have no idea where Zenith got the data to produce MP5 clones.  My guess is reverse engineering.
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 5:26:41 PM EDT
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I’m going to speculate that they don’t have the TDP and that they are collaborating with Bailey to bring guns to market.
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 5:42:41 PM EDT
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I’m going to speculate that they don’t have the TDP and that they are collaborating with Bailey to bring guns to market.
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Did Bailey have a connection to Zenith in the past?
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 6:20:52 PM EDT
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Did Bailey have a connection to Zenith in the past?
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I don’t know. Just speculating.
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 6:34:00 PM EDT
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I'm confused. Zenith was simply importing MKE guns.   They were not manufacturing anything.    It was simply importation.  Once the business relationship broke down, Century stepped in and is now the importer.

I have no idea where Zenith got the data to produce MP5 clones.  My guess is reverse engineering.
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I'm aware they were simply importing them.  But now they are not.  And they seemed to have gotten it very right, the first time.
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 6:35:06 PM EDT
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I don't know. Just speculating.
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Nothing wrong with some speculation but from what I've read online, the quality of Zenith's new guns is supposed to be really good.  SW has been a mixed bag in that area, I thought?
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 6:58:46 PM EDT
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Just worry about their TPS report cover sheets, m'kay?
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 7:52:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/24/2022 8:52:04 PM EDT
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Just worry about their TPS report cover sheets, m'kay?
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I’m going to need you to go ahead and come in on Saturday too.
Link Posted: 7/24/2022 9:07:11 PM EDT
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At this point a US OEM manufacturing base exists for the MP5. I have been approached by many US manufacturers of MP5 parts at shot show so I would Imagine Zenith is working with this existing manufacturing base.
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Link Posted: 7/25/2022 4:43:57 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with some speculation but from what I've read online, the quality of Zenith's new guns is supposed to be really good.  SW has been a mixed bag in that area, I thought?
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Bobcat/SW and later Coharie was a complete shit show. The later Coharie guns fared a bit better than their predecessors, bet generally still needed to be completely gutted, and have parts replaced with OEM
HK guts(and later RCM) to run right. Options were really limited back then.
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