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Posted: 5/9/2022 4:32:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2022 4:35:33 PM EDT
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C’mon man
https://deadairsilencers.com/product/sierra-5-assets/ |
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Posted: 5/9/2022 4:49:21 PM EDT
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Ok I’ve got my credit card ready to go.
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Posted: 5/9/2022 4:56:45 PM EDT
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There was a supposed pic in the DA thread the other day. The 'Geever seemed to be hinting:
 Edit: That's a really good price in the link. 
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Posted: 5/9/2022 5:19:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2022 5:20:36 PM EDT
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What is it supposed to be?
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Posted: 5/9/2022 5:25:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is it supposed to be? Sounds like the much-anticipated 5.56 can from Dead Air. If it looks good on paper, I’ll buy one. I’ve got at least one of almost every can they make, and I’ve always been happy with them. I have a lot of other cans too though. I wouldn’t say I’m “brand loyal”, but one of the higher-ups at DA is pretty much responsible for me getting into NFA/suppressors, and I’ve always been happy with what I’ve gotten from them. |
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Posted: 5/9/2022 7:12:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like the much-anticipated 5.56 can from Dead Air. If it looks good on paper, I’ll buy one. I’ve got at least one of almost every can they make, and I’ve always been happy with them. I have a lot of other cans too though. I wouldn’t say I’m “brand loyal”, but one of the higher-ups at DA is pretty much responsible for me getting into NFA/suppressors, and I’ve always been happy with what I’ve gotten from them. Or it will be the primal 2.0, or the titanium mask, or… In all seriousness I hope this is the 556 can but we’ve done this before. |
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Posted: 5/9/2022 7:28:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2022 8:17:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2022 8:42:12 PM EDT
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I'm getting an old school 70's / 80's vibe from this. "Sierra 5" That picture from Vietnam in the link.
Was there a Vietnam era 556 suppressor that they could be going for? Like the Wolverine -> PBS-1 connection? |
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Posted: 5/9/2022 9:06:09 PM EDT
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I was looking for something knurled from Vietnam, and then I saw the MK2 had a knurled cap. The Sionics MAW A1 had a knurl on the collet tensioning ring.
 Hush Puppy caps:  Repost from an archived thread: 
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Posted: 5/11/2022 12:27:48 PM EDT
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Wow, look how long that Sionics is on the M16. I bet it's heavy too.
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Posted: 5/11/2022 1:22:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2022 2:41:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2022 2:49:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting helical baffles. He loved those spiral diffusers. Another article https://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=2382 |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 3:24:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He loved those spiral diffusers. Another article https://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=2382 That's a great article too! I'd love to know how much Gemtech pinched off of the vented carrier mentioned. "HEL solved the bolt velocity and cyclic rate problems by adding an additional gas pressure relief port to the bolt carrier, which enabled reliable functioning of the rifle whether the selector was set to SEMI or AUTO." |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 3:30:36 PM EDT
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UGH....
Sub'd. This is gonna cost me money, I'd bet. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 5:48:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, look how long that Sionics is on the M16. I bet it's heavy too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, look how long that Sionics is on the M16. I bet it's heavy too. The picture of the M16A1 has the MK2 blast suppressor- a US Navy issue item with the A1 flash suppressor on the front. The MK2 had one hourglass shaped washer baffle in the middle and produced 28DB sound reduction probably from the volume of the giant can and the sound redirection of the A1 birdcage muzzle device portion. The Sionics has the gas pressure relief valve and knurled bushing closing collar on the back. I believe Sionics made cans that had the A1 birdcage front caps also- a lot of the cans in Vietnam were prototypes, the military would buy a few hundred and suggest some kind of feedback related change and go back to the drawing board. I believe the most numerous cans in Vietnam were the MAW-A1, and the Hel M-4. Probably followed by the MK2 blast suppressor. Quoted: That's a great article too! I'd love to know how much Gemtech pinched off of the vented carrier mentioned. "HEL solved the bolt velocity and cyclic rate problems by adding an additional gas pressure relief port to the bolt carrier, which enabled reliable functioning of the rifle whether the selector was set to SEMI or AUTO." The HEL can probably had backpressure worse than an SWR Silencer CO specwar, HEL worked around that problem without doing a good job of solving it. A big part of why silencers in Vietnam were not fielded to more infantry soldiers was that the rifles had to be modified to prevent shearing of carrier keys. |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 3:32:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2022 4:38:49 AM EDT
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Now that the cat is out, how about a pic?
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Posted: 5/12/2022 7:29:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The picture of the M16A1 has the MK2 blast suppressor- a US Navy issue item with the A1 flash suppressor on the front. The MK2 had one hourglass shaped washer baffle in the middle and produced 28DB sound reduction probably from the volume of the giant can and the sound redirection of the A1 birdcage muzzle device portion. The Sionics has the gas pressure relief valve and knurled bushing closing collar on the back. I believe Sionics made cans that had the A1 birdcage front caps also- a lot of the cans in Vietnam were prototypes, the military would buy a few hundred and suggest some kind of feedback related change and go back to the drawing board. I believe the most numerous cans in Vietnam were the MAW-A1, and the Hel M-4. Probably followed by the MK2 blast suppressor. The HEL can probably had backpressure worse than an SWR Silencer CO specwar, HEL worked around that problem without doing a good job of solving it. A big part of why silencers in Vietnam were not fielded to more infantry soldiers was that the rifles had to be modified to prevent shearing of carrier keys. Were these the first semi/full auto rifle cans that were somewhat militarily successful? I know there was some stuff used in WWII, but it seemed to be all pistol caliber or 22LR. |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 3:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that the cat is out, how about a pic? An admin on a suppressor Facebook group and a dealer got banned and a distributor cut ties with them over posting that email. He ignored the big red warning the email had. 
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Posted: 5/12/2022 3:23:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An admin on a suppressor Facebook group and a dealer got banned and a distributor cut ties with them over posting that email. He ignored the big red warning the email had. https://i.imgur.com/5uAtRYL_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium lol |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 3:24:33 PM EDT
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Drama llamas
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Posted: 5/12/2022 8:25:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drama llamas Yep. I don’t get the appeal of showing off leaked information. Let the company who worked hard on their product be the ones to show it off first |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 9:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I don’t get the appeal of showing off leaked information. Let the company who worked hard on their product be the ones to show it off first If the manufacturer wants to show it off themselves first, then they can just launch it. The whole thing is silly. |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 9:33:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the manufacturer wants to show it off themselves first, then they can just launch it. The whole thing is silly. +1 I’m a grown man with enough real-world crap to deal with. Not interested in advertising “teasers.” |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 9:37:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I don’t get the appeal of showing off leaked information. Let the company who worked hard on their product be the ones to show it off first Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Drama llamas Yep. I don’t get the appeal of showing off leaked information. Let the company who worked hard on their product be the ones to show it off first Haha, you read it wrong/I communicated it poorly The mods are drama llamas over dealers showing customers spec sheets. Fuckin release it and get the first 5k units into the wild. |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 9:40:42 PM EDT
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I'm ready.
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:43:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Were these the first semi/full auto rifle cans that were somewhat militarily successful? I know there was some stuff used in WWII, but it seemed to be all pistol caliber or 22LR. I feel like the answer on all three is yes, the sionics M-14SS-1, MAW-A1, the HEL M4 and E4A, and the Mk2 blast suppressor were among the first commercially successful military fielded centerfire rifle suppressors. I don’t think volume was very high, most being severel hundred units, but that was a major volume compared to the past. There was a maxim 1903 Springfield suppressor that I believe was purchased in 1909 by the Army in a qty of several hundred units for a trial as well so it would technically be a similar story. The Vietnam era distinguished itself by more widespread combat fielding of suppressors than previously in military history. That trend continued and GWOT basically mainstreamed it with SOF units and paved the way for big infantry to take a look at the category. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 2:21:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 I’m a grown man with enough real-world crap to deal with. Not interested in advertising “teasers.” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the manufacturer wants to show it off themselves first, then they can just launch it. The whole thing is silly. +1 I’m a grown man with enough real-world crap to deal with. Not interested in advertising “teasers.” It really is all so tiresome, & accomplishes nothing. I just want to know what/when/where so I can place an order. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 2:39:07 PM EDT
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Pointless thread is pointless.
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Posted: 5/13/2022 8:41:12 PM EDT
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If it fits keymo I wonder how long before someone launches a .308 projectile through it
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Posted: 5/13/2022 9:01:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it fits keymo I wonder how long before someone launches a .308 projectile through it Same goes for literally every other muzzle device |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 9:21:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Haha, you read it wrong/I communicated it poorly The mods are drama llamas over dealers showing customers spec sheets. Fuckin release it and get the first 5k units into the wild. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Drama llamas Yep. I don’t get the appeal of showing off leaked information. Let the company who worked hard on their product be the ones to show it off first Haha, you read it wrong/I communicated it poorly The mods are drama llamas over dealers showing customers spec sheets. Fuckin release it and get the first 5k units into the wild. We like to have product on the shelves when we release. How many times have you seen a product teased ("Look at our NEW product!!") and then you find out they made ONE. Like, a single unit. It's really a prototype. Maybe a concept car that doesn't even drive down the road. Maybe an AK-50. Not even fully tested yet and not ready for mass production. Anyway, just saying, be careful what you ask for when you ask a company to just release something. Little company's fall for it and send you a product they can't sustain or support and have unforeseen design and manufacturing issues. Bigger companies just make people angry because the product may still be in production or it's hung up waiting for ATF forms to leave the plant. In the end, there are a lot of moving pieces to launch a product. This is a pretty soft launch anyway (not the big orchestrated mums-the-word about it until an exact time. Well kinda, anyway. The info that we released to wholesale and dealers was meant to help them place orders so that you, a paying customer, can get a serial number asap and being the F4 process. I mean, this isn't a video game download we got going here. 
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Posted: 5/13/2022 9:27:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and being the F4 process. I mean, this isn't a video game download we got going here. True, it’s like downloading a game on a 300 baud modem, and your mom picks up the phone every 5 minutes to call her knitting circle, Or, more like downloading bits with a smoke signal fire. FATF.
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:24:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We like to have product on the shelves when we release. How many times have you seen a product teased ("Look at our NEW product!!") and then you find out they made ONE. Like, a single unit. It's really a prototype. Maybe a concept car that doesn't even drive down the road. Maybe an AK-50. Not even fully tested yet and not ready for mass production. Anyway, just saying, be careful what you ask for when you ask a company to just release something. Little company's fall for it and send you a product they can't sustain or support and have unforeseen design and manufacturing issues. Bigger companies just make people angry because the product may still be in production or it's hung up waiting for ATF forms to leave the plant. In the end, there are a lot of moving pieces to launch a product. This is a pretty soft launch anyway (not the big orchestrated mums-the-word about it until an exact time. Well kinda, anyway. The info that we released to wholesale and dealers was meant to help them place orders so that you, a paying customer, can get a serial number asap and being the F4 process. I mean, this isn't a video game download we got going here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Drama llamas Yep. I don’t get the appeal of showing off leaked information. Let the company who worked hard on their product be the ones to show it off first Haha, you read it wrong/I communicated it poorly The mods are drama llamas over dealers showing customers spec sheets. Fuckin release it and get the first 5k units into the wild. We like to have product on the shelves when we release. How many times have you seen a product teased ("Look at our NEW product!!") and then you find out they made ONE. Like, a single unit. It's really a prototype. Maybe a concept car that doesn't even drive down the road. Maybe an AK-50. Not even fully tested yet and not ready for mass production. Anyway, just saying, be careful what you ask for when you ask a company to just release something. Little company's fall for it and send you a product they can't sustain or support and have unforeseen design and manufacturing issues. Bigger companies just make people angry because the product may still be in production or it's hung up waiting for ATF forms to leave the plant. In the end, there are a lot of moving pieces to launch a product. This is a pretty soft launch anyway (not the big orchestrated mums-the-word about it until an exact time. Well kinda, anyway. The info that we released to wholesale and dealers was meant to help them place orders so that you, a paying customer, can get a serial number asap and being the F4 process. I mean, this isn't a video game download we got going here. If you could honestly tell me it would be suitable for a g36, Original Galil, or Aug, I’d look at buying one |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:48:19 PM EDT
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Wait! You're making an AK-50 too?
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Posted: 5/14/2022 1:12:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We like to have product on the shelves when we release. How many times have you seen a product teased ("Look at our NEW product!!") and then you find out they made ONE. Like, a single unit. It's really a prototype. Maybe a concept car that doesn't even drive down the road. Maybe an AK-50. Not even fully tested yet and not ready for mass production. Anyway, just saying, be careful what you ask for when you ask a company to just release something. Little company's fall for it and send you a product they can't sustain or support and have unforeseen design and manufacturing issues. Bigger companies just make people angry because the product may still be in production or it's hung up waiting for ATF forms to leave the plant. In the end, there are a lot of moving pieces to launch a product. This is a pretty soft launch anyway (not the big orchestrated mums-the-word about it until an exact time. Well kinda, anyway. The info that we released to wholesale and dealers was meant to help them place orders so that you, a paying customer, can get a serial number asap and being the F4 process. I mean, this isn't a video game download we got going here. This is utter bullshit. At this point you’re starting to insult people’s intelligence with this artificial scenario. You’re in control of the relevant variables. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 3:10:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is utter bullshit. At this point you’re starting to insult people’s intelligence with this artificial scenario. You’re in control of the relevant variables. Not apologizing for Dead Air or anyone else, but that's kind of a simplistic viewpoint. The thing is, these days to a greater extent than before, most companies aren't in control of the variables. Supply chain issues with materials, rising costs of materials, labor shortages in some markets, transportation and shipping delays, you name it it's more behind schedule and more expensive than it was yesterday. Combine all that with the normal hurdles bringing a new product to market (design, prototype manufacturing, testing, possible redesign, more testing, production manufacturing, marketing, distribution, etc) and isn't surprising there are delays. Frustrating for consumers no doubt, but frustrating for producers as well. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 4:02:56 AM EDT
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Any guesses on what it might be?
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Posted: 5/14/2022 7:57:41 AM EDT
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Deleted
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Posted: 5/14/2022 9:40:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2022 9:43:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2022 9:43:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2022 10:04:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:15:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True, it’s like downloading a game on a 300 baud modem, and your mom picks up the phone every 5 minutes to call her knitting circle, Or, more like downloading bits with a smoke signal fire. FATF. Brings back some unpleasant memories of my sister and I fighting over the telephone back in the day when I was trying to get onto a bulletin board and she wanted to call friends. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:20:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryLooks like a very truncated version of a knurled AEM5.  I also thought of a BMX bike peg and others on Reddit had also come to that conclusion. At least the engraving appears to be at the rear so if something goes tits up looks like they can cut the knurled part off and weld a new one on. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:24:05 AM EDT
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While it looks cool. A heavy .556 K can doesn't warm the wallet enough to open.
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