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Posted: 2/3/2018 10:36:54 AM EDT
I just picked up a DBAL I2, IR only.

It will primarily ride on a 13.7” barrel, 13” Geiselle mk4 rail (mlok with 4 rails near the muzzle) and 1-6 strike eagle in G mount.

My main gripe is it blocks a good portion of the FOV until about 2.5x when mounted on the top of the rail.

Are there any real downsides to mounting and sighting in on the left side of the rail? I’m left handed.

Or I could mount on top, remove for day shooting and add back on at night when I won’t be using the scope anyways. Steiner claims their qd mount will return to 0 as long as it’s mounted in the same location.

1.93” or higher scope mount?

Looking for more experienced opinions and options.

ETA: question for zeroing later in the post
Link Posted: 2/3/2018 1:08:12 PM EDT
[#1]
1.93 Larue Mount is made for this (LT135) Works great for me.

You can also get a LT mount for the dbal too (LT272) No issue holding zero here on a couple MK8 setup.

YMMV but you cant go wrong with a LT mount.
Link Posted: 2/3/2018 1:17:17 PM EDT
[#2]
Does the 1.93 scope mount completely clear the dbal? I just got my scope zeroed and don’t really want to get another mount if I don’t have to
Link Posted: 2/3/2018 1:23:10 PM EDT
[#3]
I dont think anything will completely clear it bro...just the nature of the beast. Someone more knowledgeable may know.

Not so great pic, but the best I have. Looking at the pic, it seems to cover alot...but its wayy better than the 1.5...which was not usable to me.

Link Posted: 2/4/2018 10:22:04 AM EDT
[#4]
OP could get some Wilcox Risers. $$$$$, but they work.
Link Posted: 2/4/2018 11:48:15 AM EDT
[#5]
Get a T-50 for that periscope action.


QD is what I would probably do in your case. The mounts hold zero in my experience, well enough for =100 yd sighting. I use Larue clips or ladder covers around the footprint of the laser to get it to the same place easily in the dark.
Link Posted: 2/4/2018 2:07:15 PM EDT
[#6]
Can't speak for anyone else, but I haven't had any issues with return to zero (yet) in 2-3 years of using the Steiner mounts.

Don't forget to secure the throw lever to the mount body so you don't lose your laser - there is a hole next to the lever for this.   If you're taking it on and off a lot, you'll probably want to try a twist tie instead of a small cable tie.
Link Posted: 2/7/2018 1:54:47 PM EDT
[#7]
Another out of the box option is milling your handguard and direct mount it to the handguard. Saw some pictures floating around awhile back where someone did this. It's something I always wanted to do but don't have the resources to do. A quick Google search came up nothing though.
Link Posted: 2/9/2018 5:46:22 PM EDT
[#8]
Good points. I’ll make sure to lanyard the throw lever.

Has anyone mounted it on the side? Also how was the zero at the factory neutral settings? On paper at 25yds?
Link Posted: 2/12/2018 11:15:38 AM EDT
[#9]
Thanks guys.

Ive got it mounted at 12. Using some rubber bands to hold the wires for now. Brother says the use electrical tape in EOD. Any other ideas for wires? saw zip ties in the pic thread.
Link Posted: 2/12/2018 7:33:40 PM EDT
[#10]
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Thanks guys.

Ive got it mounted at 12. Using some rubber bands to hold the wires for now. Brother says the use electrical tape in EOD. Any other ideas for wires? saw zip ties in the pic thread.
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Zip tie through the vent holes. But for the DBAL I would never bother with a tape switch.
Link Posted: 2/12/2018 8:00:10 PM EDT
[#11]
I tried risers and mounting at 3 o'clock

What you end up finding out is that 12 o'clock is a better location, and even with the dbal obscuring the lower 3rd of your FOV it really doesn't affect target acquisition and you really don't even know it's there after training with it for a while.
Link Posted: 2/16/2018 9:02:05 AM EDT
[#12]
Another option to explore is to move the DBAL back towards the scope. The closer to the scope the less it will be in the FOV.

This may not work with your shooting style or rail but it is another option to explore. If you like to grab the handguard directly fingers often get in the way of lasers and illum but if you use a vertical grip then problem solved.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 5:01:48 PM EDT
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Another option to explore is to move the DBAL back towards the scope. The closer to the scope the less it will be in the FOV.

This may not work with your shooting style or rail but it is another option to explore. If you like to grab the handguard directly fingers often get in the way of lasers and illum but if you use a vertical grip then problem solved.
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Just tried this. I think it should work, just have to see if my hang blocks anything. It shouldn’t, I keep my thumb off the top rail to the side where the tape switch is.
Link Posted: 2/21/2018 2:36:17 PM EDT
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Just tried this. I think it should work, just have to see if my hang blocks anything. It shouldn’t, I keep my thumb off the top rail to the side where the tape switch is.
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Another option to explore is to move the DBAL back towards the scope. The closer to the scope the less it will be in the FOV.

This may not work with your shooting style or rail but it is another option to explore. If you like to grab the handguard directly fingers often get in the way of lasers and illum but if you use a vertical grip then problem solved.
Just tried this. I think it should work, just have to see if my hang blocks anything. It shouldn’t, I keep my thumb off the top rail to the side where the tape switch is.
If I'm running an i2 at the 12-oclock position, I don't use a tape switch. If it's on the right-hand side because I'm running a clip-on, it needs a tape switch.

I have not seen any issues with loss of zero, keep in mind those adjustments are only relative anyway...

From the manual
"Each adjuster click will move the laser point by approximately 1 cm at 25 meters."
That's 4cm at 100yd, and that's the best you're gonna get...
Link Posted: 2/21/2018 6:46:03 PM EDT
[#15]
Get a taller mount for the scope our add a riser.

Also I thought the partiall obstructed view would bother me but I got used to it.

FWIW when shoot unmagnified if you keep both eyes open your brain over laps the image from your other eye so you can still see the area "obstructed" by the IR laser, or even the housing of the optic. Takes some getting used to shooting with both eyes open but its really the way to go.
Link Posted: 2/25/2018 3:51:01 PM EDT
[#16]
Thanks guys. Now question about zeroing.

the manual suggests a zeroing the laser to the POI at 25yds/m. How does this affect the left/right impact spot past 25m? Ie laser is on the left side of the bore, so wont bullets be impacting to the left past the zeroed distance, say 200yds? or is it not enough to worry about.

I was thinking a constant offset would be better, ie zero the laser to the elevation at 25yds, but offset to the left of impact. so that impacts are 1" or whatever the right of the laser at all distances. or for practical purposes it doesn't matter, so zero per the manual. primary use will be hogs.
Link Posted: 2/25/2018 4:05:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/25/2018 6:40:37 PM EDT
[#18]
Thanks. good video. off to try and make some home made targets.

ETA: Did some testing at home and found aluminum foil works as a reflector. Also having the DBAL mounted close to the scope works, its not blocked at all by my hand.  Now I just need to find some place to sight in at night.
Link Posted: 2/27/2018 9:47:10 AM EDT
[#19]
Ok dummy question for zeroing, the manual says the IR pointer adjusters moves the beam on the target. Which seems to be the opposite of red dots which move group impact direction (and the visible pointer adjusters, which move the group directions). This is the IR only model.

So in the video above (@TNVC), the initial group was high. Group needed to come down. So adjust the IR laser UP direction (6 clicks), so that when you re center on the target, rifle moves down, impact moves down. I don't think the adjustment direction was mentioned in the video. Same would be true for windage. Move the laser to the group.

Is that correct?

ETA: And now I’m real messed up. The laser is on the right side of the unit so why are the targets set of for a left offset? The impact should be left of laser right? I’m thinking too much.
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