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Posted: 11/26/2014 6:16:14 PM EDT
[#1]
It would be pretty cool if we could pay a down payment and get a serial number now, to start the stamp paperwork.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2014 6:48:07 PM EDT
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Where is the information on the stock availablity - I want to SBR one.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 7:43:11 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
CZ has stated that the stock would be available when you get your stamp. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By grayparatrooper:
I want foldable stock. I for sure want but would like to make sure I can get a stock for it. The brace thing doesn't interest me much on it. CZ has stated that the stock would be available when you get your stamp. This would be my 1st SBR, the more I think about it the more I want to do it! I think I would still get the sig brace in the meantime, then sell it or maybe keep it after. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 8:20:20 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GLOCKshooter:
It would be pretty cool if we could pay a down payment and get a serial number now, to start the stamp paperwork. What he said. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2014 9:49:44 PM EDT
[#5]
This is a bad ass little piece.
The CZ's don't fuck around, especially with firearms design. The vigilance is a compensation mechanism, since most of the vowels were stolen from their language by the germans. Because they kept them in the sudentenland. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2014 10:01:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech:
Where is the information on the stock availablity - I want to SBR one. CZ-USA facebook |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 10:59:34 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jh1990:
CZ-USA facebook Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jh1990:
Originally Posted By cryo_tech:
Where is the information on the stock availablity - I want to SBR one. CZ-USA facebook They said late Jan 2015, so expect them to hit dealers mid-late Feb. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:32:21 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Yup. PDs, SOF units, and other professional users are gonna totally skip the MPX in favor of a foreign built novelty PCC with a SIG Brace on it. 
Those types of organizations have had the opportunity to buy these guns in their non-neutered form already, and it's gained little adoption. Those same organizations have already put out POs and RFIs to seriously look at adopting the MPX. I see the civilian market closer to the Berretta Storm or 9mm ARs. It's a cool gun, but I don't see the true market of the MPX being affected by the Evo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By hauslp:
This is going to blow the MPX out of the water. Yup. PDs, SOF units, and other professional users are gonna totally skip the MPX in favor of a foreign built novelty PCC with a SIG Brace on it.
Those types of organizations have had the opportunity to buy these guns in their non-neutered form already, and it's gained little adoption. Those same organizations have already put out POs and RFIs to seriously look at adopting the MPX. I see the civilian market closer to the Berretta Storm or 9mm ARs. It's a cool gun, but I don't see the true market of the MPX being affected by the Evo. I'm talking about civilian sales. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 1:53:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
[#9]
More vid of function and disassembly
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:03:49 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU: CZ has stated that the stock would be available when you get your stamp. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU: Originally Posted By grayparatrooper: I want foldable stock. I for sure want but would like to make sure I can get a stock for it. The brace thing doesn't interest me much on it. CZ has stated that the stock would be available when you get your stamp. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:10:07 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seven-Shooter:
Link for verification? If that's true, I'm going to preorder one from my job in the VERY near future. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seven-Shooter:
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By grayparatrooper:
I want foldable stock. I for sure want but would like to make sure I can get a stock for it. The brace thing doesn't interest me much on it. CZ has stated that the stock would be available when you get your stamp. They posted on Facebook the stock would be available. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 3:25:23 PM EDT
[#12]
problem is that with the latest BATFE Ruling , when making a "pistol" like this that is imported as a pistol, making it a SBR requires 922(r) compliance
that is the problem alot of us have had with making the PPS43 pistols into SBR's |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2014 3:59:01 PM EDT
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i honestly never really wanted a semi smg like gun, id rather have a 5.56 sbr.
but at this price point? im really looking forward to seeing how this gun performs 
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Posted: 11/27/2014 4:03:54 PM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 5:47:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolishX: problem is that with the latest BATFE Ruling , when making a "pistol" like this that is imported as a pistol, making it a SBR requires 922(r) compliance that is the problem alot of us have had with making the PPS43 pistols into SBR's |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2014 9:23:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rcbif]
[#16]
Any idea how they will deal with this gun having two receiver halves?
Would just one half be the marked controlled item since you need both to function? Here is the manual with an exploded view. http://www.czub.cz/zbrojovka/cz-manual/Instruction-Manual-Scorpion-EVO-3-A1_en.pdf EDIT - Looks like the ejection port half is the serialized part. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 2:05:49 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jarmstrong1029:
I would imagine if CZ is stating that you will be able to apply for form 1 and install the stock, they are aware of 922(r) and have some way to get that part covered. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jarmstrong1029:
Originally Posted By PolishX:
problem is that with the latest BATFE Ruling , when making a "pistol" like this that is imported as a pistol, making it a SBR requires 922(r) compliance that is the problem alot of us have had with making the PPS43 pistols into SBR's could care less about 922 |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 2:11:18 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
What he said. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter:
It would be pretty cool if we could pay a down payment and get a serial number now, to start the stamp paperwork. What he said. Way too many logistical pitfalls with assigning a serial number to a pre-order. No one would ever do that. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 2:13:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Homeinvader:
Way too many logistical pitfalls with assigning a serial number to a pre-order. No one would ever do that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Homeinvader:
Originally Posted By goloud:
Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter:
It would be pretty cool if we could pay a down payment and get a serial number now, to start the stamp paperwork. What he said. Way too many logistical pitfalls with assigning a serial number to a pre-order. No one would ever do that. You could assign your own serial number to it, you don't have to use the original. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 2:48:40 PM EDT
[#20]
Just watched the video...gotta have this in full auto!
 Off to get a LE letter for demo next week. 
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Posted: 11/28/2014 3:00:43 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grayparatrooper:
could care less about 922 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grayparatrooper:
Originally Posted By jarmstrong1029:
Originally Posted By PolishX:
problem is that with the latest BATFE Ruling , when making a "pistol" like this that is imported as a pistol, making it a SBR requires 922(r) compliance that is the problem alot of us have had with making the PPS43 pistols into SBR's could care less about 922 does it even apply to NFA? Because you can SBR an Austrian Glock with no problems. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 3:01:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By booger-hooker:
Just watched the video...gotta have this in full auto! Off to get a LE letter for demo next week. Let me come try it out..... 
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Posted: 11/28/2014 3:10:04 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
does it even apply to NFA? Because you can SBR an Austrian Glock with no problems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By grayparatrooper:
Originally Posted By jarmstrong1029:
Originally Posted By PolishX:
problem is that with the latest BATFE Ruling , when making a "pistol" like this that is imported as a pistol, making it a SBR requires 922(r) compliance that is the problem alot of us have had with making the PPS43 pistols into SBR's could care less about 922 does it even apply to NFA? Because you can SBR an Austrian Glock with no problems. I'm pretty sure CZ A: Doesn't know about 922r OR B: Doesn't give a shit cause it won't be their problem. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 4:21:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PolishX]
[#24]
yes 922(r) applies to NFA stuff. I know what the letter from BATFE says and what I had to do with a pistol I made into an SBR . ATF changed from there 09 position letter of basically"we dont care" to
the 2011 version of now all SBR's that were originally pistols must comply. They didnt care that I did my pps43 , they assume that you are going to comply with a law when you file a form 1 and make an SBR . its up to you as the "maker" to comply with all applicable laws. I wont take the risk to not be 922(r) compliant . but thats just me |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 4:23:15 PM EDT
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Ok I know very little about 922r as it's always been an AK issue in my mind, and I'm an AR guy. What's the problem?? You guys are assuming they're importing them vs mfg in the US (safe), and that by making it a rifle even an SBR it will be in violation. What parts could we easily change to have the necessary # of US parts?
Do we even know if 922r applies to NFA items? When has someone been charged with a 922r violation, not to mention prosecuted and convicted? |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:38:22 PM EDT
[#26]
I typed up a letter to the ATF about the Scorpion stock the other day but didn't send it. Something about poking the bear...
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KS, USA
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:22:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m6z]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
I typed up a letter to the ATF about the Scorpion stock the other day but didn't send it. Something about poking the bear... It's a question that has to be answered. There are going to be a lot of people building SBR's out of these. No one wants to end up on the wrong side of the law. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:43:38 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m6z:
It's a question that has to be answered. There are going to be a lot of people building SBR's out of these. No one wants to end up on the wrong side of the law. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m6z:
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
I typed up a letter to the ATF about the Scorpion stock the other day but didn't send it. Something about poking the bear... It's a question that has to be answered. There are going to be a lot of people building SBR's out of these. No one wants to end up on the wrong side of the law. I just dont most people care. I have never heard of a single prosecution and when I have asked actual agents and various LE they have no idea what I am talking about. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:57:20 PM EDT
[#29]
I know the guys that build UMP SBR's make sure that they're 922r compliant, so I don't see why the Scorpion wouldn't have to be.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 10:30:02 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I just dont most people care. I have never heard of a single prosecution and when I have asked actual agents and various LE they have no idea what I am talking about. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By m6z: Originally Posted By RDTCU: I typed up a letter to the ATF about the Scorpion stock the other day but didn't send it. Something about poking the bear... It's a question that has to be answered. There are going to be a lot of people building SBR's out of these. No one wants to end up on the wrong side of the law. I just dont most people care. I have never heard of a single prosecution and when I have asked actual agents and various LE they have no idea what I am talking about.  |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 11:25:03 PM EDT
[#31]
If it is an issue wouldn't the ATF just deny the application for the SBR?
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2014 2:38:31 AM EDT
[#32]
Does CZ make anything in the US? Would there be any way to make this 922 compliant if somebody were to SBR this?
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SD, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2014 2:04:05 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By c7aea15:
If it is an issue wouldn't the ATF just deny the application for the SBR? Then they wouldn't have people to arrest and prosecute and thus justify their continued funding and departmental existence. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 2:51:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gazorpazorp:
Then they wouldn't have people to arrest and prosecute and thus justify their continued funding and departmental existence. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gazorpazorp:
Originally Posted By c7aea15:
If it is an issue wouldn't the ATF just deny the application for the SBR? Then they wouldn't have people to arrest and prosecute and thus justify their continued funding and departmental existence. Easy Bubba. How about the ATF simply assumes that the person submitting the form will follow the law. It is actually the builders burden not the ATFs. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 2:56:34 PM EDT
[#35]
Someone will come out shortly with a Sig Brace adapter for the Scorp. And then, the floodgates will open wide.
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Posted: 11/29/2014 3:37:49 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Someone will come out shortly with a Sig Brace adapter for the Scorp. And then, the floodgates will open wide. I might be wrong but I thought one of the press releases made it sound like they already had one or it was in the works. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 4:02:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
I might be wrong but I thought one of the press releases made it sound like they already had one or it was in the works. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Someone will come out shortly with a Sig Brace adapter for the Scorp. And then, the floodgates will open wide. I might be wrong but I thought one of the press releases made it sound like they already had one or it was in the works. Yup, CZ already announced the brace. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2014 4:32:32 PM EDT
[#38]
Not being able to get the folding stock would be a deal-breaker for me. I'm not a fan of those dumb wrist braces.
I guess I'll have to give the MPX a harder look. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2014 8:06:25 PM EDT
[#39]
The brace appears on the gun in Colion Noir's eval video.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2014 9:59:51 PM EDT
[#40]
Stock will be available, its a pistol so 922r won't count if you SBR, only if it has been and always was a rifle. YMMV
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2014 10:07:12 PM EDT
[#41]
Does anyone know where you can preorder one yet?
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Posted: 11/29/2014 10:26:20 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob:
Stock will be available, its a pistol so 922r won't count if you SBR, only if it has been and always was a rifle. YMMV This is my take on it, but I think i'll wait for clarification. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 10:56:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jerz_subbie]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
This is my take on it, but I think i'll wait for clarification. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By ThRob:
Stock will be available, its a pistol so 922r won't count if you SBR, only if it has been and always was a rifle. YMMV This is my take on it, but I think i'll wait for clarification. I did some reading this evening and I'm discouraged that 922r and the letters/rulings regarding it seem to lean towards this being an issue for the Scorpion. I wish they'd say that NFA items are exempt from 922r, that would only make sense, but I'm not holding my breath. Maybe we can get a joyous ruling like with the Sig brace... or is that a once a decade kind of thing? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2014 1:02:06 AM EDT
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I did a little research on this today. It sounds like 922r will apply in this case. There are some rulings from the last 10 years that indicate you can ONLY make an SBR from an imported item if you cut down the barrel. If you assemble parts (IE adding a stock) then you will violate 922r if you are using more than 10 imported parts.
The letter I saw posted was on TOS: Link Hopefully CZ will offer this in a 16" barrel version that we can cut down. I agree, not a fan of the brace. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2014 1:04:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: benb]
[#45]
My only remaining hope is that the ATF gives you a favorable letter RDTCU.
If they do can you post a scan with your name blanked out so we can reference it if we ever have an issue? Also, can anybody answer my earlier question...Does CZ have any manufacturing in the US? If we could get american made parts then this would not be an issue. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2014 2:23:40 AM EDT
[#46]
According to CZ USA the stock will be available for those of us that want to SBR
Took a screen cap of their FB page. 
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Posted: 11/30/2014 8:27:38 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By benb:
My only remaining hope is that the ATF gives you a favorable letter RDTCU. If they do can you post a scan with your name blanked out so we can reference it if we ever have an issue? Also, can anybody answer my earlier question...Does CZ have any manufacturing in the US? If we could get american made parts then this would not be an issue. Will do |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 8:43:30 AM EDT
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Re: 922r
Has anyone who SBR'd a Glock had to comply with 922r? I think it's a better comparison. Maybe they arleady have the required US made parts. Also, since CZ is actively replying on their FB page, can someone ask the 922r question? I don't travel into that hell hole unless absolutely necessary. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 10:23:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud:
Re: 922r Has anyone who SBR'd a Glock had to comply with 922r? I think it's a better comparison. Maybe they arleady have the required US made parts. Also, since CZ is actively replying on their FB page, can someone ask the 922r question? I don't travel into that hell hole unless absolutely necessary. I asked. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 10:34:53 AM EDT
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922 (r) blows.
Along with every other anti-gun drivel. |
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