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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:48:15 PM EDT
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FYI Manticore Arms Kurz forends and barrels are now available for the Scorpion EVO- shaves that 7.7" factory barrel and forend down to 5.5"
When you order a forend you can choose to add a precut and refinished Kurz length barrel with 1/2x28 muzzle threading so you don't even have to send your barrel out and try to figure out what length to cut it. 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 6:14:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
FYI Manticore Arms Kurz forends and barrels are now available for the Scorpion EVO- shaves that 7.7" factory barrel and forend down to 5.5" When you order a forend you can choose to add a precut and refinished Kurz length barrel with 1/2x28 muzzle threading so you don't even have to send your barrel out and try to figure out what length to cut it.
Sven Manticore Arms You have my attention. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 6:33:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neomonk21:
You have my attention. Smart moving trying to be the one stop shop. How about trigger springs, Sven? You guys are rocking it |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:15:40 PM EDT
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I'm not sure how soon FDE carbines may come as a lot that bought the FDE pistol sbr'ed theirs and were upset to find out as of yet they don't make an FDE stock. Unless this changed recently.
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:28:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akuser-47:
I'm not sure how soon FDE carbines may come as a lot that bought the FDE pistol sbr'ed theirs and were upset to find out as of yet they don't make an FDE stock. Unless this changed recently. The FDE stock, is in stock at CZ-USA. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 8:51:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Manticore_Arms]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26:
yup Smart moving trying to be the one stop shop. How about trigger springs, Sven? You guys are rocking it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Neomonk21:
You have my attention. Smart moving trying to be the one stop shop. How about trigger springs, Sven? You guys are rocking it Trigger springs would be easy for us to make, my only concern is some of the function issues people have seen going to a lighter spring. I will put it on the discussion list for the EVO product line. Sven Manticore Arms |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:28:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: williamec]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TATBME:
The FDE stock, is in stock at CZ-USA. Yep. The only piece missing is an FDE carbine hand guard. I really want to get a carbine as I think the best path to an SBR (for me) is getting a carbine and cutting it down, but I think I'll hold onto my pennies to see if this is coming or not. Or until I can take it anymore and get one in black. 
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Posted: 1/24/2017 12:22:35 AM EDT
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one cannot be '1 stop' without a Scorpion grip, amiright?
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Posted: 1/24/2017 2:13:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Manticore_Arms]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
one cannot be '1 stop' without a Scorpion grip, amiright? We have a design and even have prototypes we run on the shop guns, but with something like four other companies offering aftermarket grips we are putting the focus (and funds) elswhere at the moment. |
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Posted: 1/24/2017 2:14:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
We have a design and even have prototypes we run on the shop guns, but with something like four other companies offering aftermarket grips we are putting the focus (and funds) elswhere at the moment. But, but.....all of the others seem to suck. No offense meant to those companies:) |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2017 2:19:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: QWKZ51]
[#11]
A couple grip options I've been working on. The printed one will get a set of G10 panels when we machine the prototype. Yeah..i could buy someone else's grip, but why?
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2017 2:42:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
We have a design and even have prototypes we run on the shop guns, but with something like four other companies offering aftermarket grips we are putting the focus (and funds) elswhere at the moment. Any chance of some pics? Maybe make a limited preorder run if people would like the looks? |
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Posted: 1/24/2017 4:35:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
We have a design and even have prototypes we run on the shop guns, but with something like four other companies offering aftermarket grips we are putting the focus (and funds) elswhere at the moment. that's cool...I had to try. 
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Posted: 1/24/2017 10:14:07 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YugoslavSKS:
Any chance of some pics? Maybe make a limited preorder run if people would like the looks? I'd like to see pics, as well. Right now that's the last thing I need to get for my Scorpion. The stock grip isn't terrible but I would like something a little better. |
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Posted: 1/24/2017 6:55:44 PM EDT
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Before I even got my Evo, I ordered the Apex grip for $23 at Brownells. Werent any reviews at that time. Just hoping it'd do well. You now what? I'm not going to do a safety change. Don't need one with this grip. No delete either.
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Posted: 1/24/2017 7:31:02 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogbert4-1:
Before I even got my Evo, I ordered the Apex grip for $23 at Brownells. Werent any reviews at that time. Just hoping it'd do well. You now what? I'm not going to do a safety change. Don't need one with this grip. No delete either. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/913/IMG-1090-132896.JPG Suppressor SBR stamp Most likely some manticore 32rnd mags |
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Posted: 1/24/2017 10:00:19 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
FYI Manticore Arms Kurz forends and barrels are now available for the Scorpion EVO- shaves that 7.7" factory barrel and forend down to 5.5" When you order a forend you can choose to add a precut and refinished Kurz length barrel with 1/2x28 muzzle threading so you don't even have to send your barrel out and try to figure out what length to cut it.
Sven Manticore Arms Can the barrel be ordered by itself? |
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Posted: 1/24/2017 11:37:39 PM EDT
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yeah, I dunno...considering the price, I might get an Apex grip just to hold me over until a better option comes along. It's a pretty unattractive lookin' grip. Can't say anything about how well it fits my hand, 'cause I haven't grabbed one, but I do like the grip angle.
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Posted: 1/25/2017 6:28:59 AM EDT
[#19]
 Attached FileReally needing to add a vfg back to this, but can't decide which. Want something direct attach to keep from buying an adapter. Also possibly an omega 9k since my griffin looks a bit long even in the K config. |
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Posted: 1/25/2017 2:58:44 PM EDT
[#20]
For those waiting: the manticore charging handle are back in stock. Just placed my order!
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Posted: 1/26/2017 8:33:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Manticore_Arms]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
For those waiting: the manticore charging handle are back in stock. Just placed my order! Yes it is, and our new Shop Manager was feverishly assembling piles of them this morning! (even management is required to learn how stuff goes together!) 
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Posted: 1/26/2017 8:33:57 PM EDT
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We have some blemished mounting blocks we are offering up for sale on the Manticore web store for those that want to mount a B&T stock to their Scorpion:
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Posted: 1/27/2017 1:31:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
We have some blemished mounting blocks we are offering up for sale on the Manticore web store for those that want to mount a B&T stock to their Scorpion: Would these work with the P26/TP9 style of stock or just the APC9 style? |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 1:32:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Yes it is, and our new Shop Manager was feverishly assembling piles of them this morning! (even management is required to learn how stuff goes together!) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Originally Posted By jekbrown:
For those waiting: the manticore charging handle are back in stock. Just placed my order! Yes it is, and our new Shop Manager was feverishly assembling piles of them this morning! (even management is required to learn how stuff goes together!) How tight fitting is the Manticore charging handle in the UMP handguard? My factory one is super loose. |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 2:22:21 AM EDT
[#25]
i saw you mention the loose CH in another post...can you post a video showing this? I have the UMP handguard and factory CH and haven't noticed this. Perhaps the springy wire thing got damaged at some point during the gun's life?
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Posted: 1/27/2017 12:48:43 PM EDT
[#26]
what was Henderson defense opinion on the cz scorpion as a range gun? any issues etc.
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Posted: 1/27/2017 1:27:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UncleRick:
what was Henderson defense opinion on the cz scorpion as a range gun? any issues etc. That question might be better suited for one of Ron's threads. When I was there the RSOs liked the Scorpion and said it was performing well. As you probably know, it's got a pretty awesome rate of fire and really chews through ammo. |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 2:22:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
yeah, I dunno...considering the price, I might get an Apex grip just to hold me over until a better option comes along. It's a pretty unattractive lookin' grip. Can't say anything about how well it fits my hand, 'cause I haven't grabbed one, but I do like the grip angle.  Attached File Attached FileI took off the sandpaper grip tape because it was very aggressive. A lot of people like that. Instead I did my usual bike innertube job. It's super thin, yet gives a good grip wet or dry. As for the grip angle, it deletes the need for a safety delete. I've grown accustomed and like the stock safety set. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2017 5:35:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harvey_Mushman:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/454828/IMG-1174-133235.JPG Really needing to add a vfg back to this, but can't decide which. Want something direct attach to keep from buying an adapter. Also possibly an omega 9k since my griffin looks a bit long even in the K config. Good looking rifle! |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 10:39:03 PM EDT
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Finally ponied up and bought a Yeti Wurks grip after realizing I couldn't fabricate an adapter for an MOE grip without modifying the MOE. The Switchback gives a very similar angle and feel, money well spent despite being $20 more than I'd like.
Now I just need a charging handle, maybe SE trigger shoe, and to get these damn side rails milled off since no one offers a smooth polymer pistol handguard. |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 1:31:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jekbrown]
[#31]
whats wrong with a smooth aluminum pistol hand guard?
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Posted: 1/28/2017 3:36:04 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
whats wrong with a smooth aluminum pistol hand guard? They chew up aluminum charging handles. |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 3:58:25 AM EDT
[#33]
The rod on the factory ch is al? I didn't even notice when I've had it apart. I'll keep an eye on it I suppose. So far so good.
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Posted: 1/28/2017 4:21:31 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
The rod on the factory ch is al? I didn't even notice when I've had it apart. I'll keep an eye on it I suppose. So far so good. Not the rod (those are ss), the aftermarket handles are aluminum. HBI says in their install video to not use the aluminum handles with their handguard, and my Manticore has done a number on my Shooters Element charging handle (or vise versa). Not a dealbreaker necessarily, but something that some folks might want to avoid. |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 9:58:02 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
whats wrong with a smooth aluminum pistol hand guard? I actually like that gun is polymer and would prefer to keep that consistent look and feel. Otherwise I do like the looks of the HBI. Hadn't thought about the charging handle issue, but there's one more reason. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2017 10:32:09 AM EDT
[#36]
If this has already been asked upthread, my apologies.
Does the "newer" Scorpion Evo S1 pistol, sku 91351, require a full 922r kit to SBR or can you simply install the CZ folding stock? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2017 11:15:38 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerz_subbie:
I actually like that gun is polymer and would prefer to keep that consistent look and feel. Otherwise I do like the looks of the HBI. Hadn't thought about the charging handle issue, but there's one more reason. Same here. Putting aluminum on a polymer gun feels as wrong as putting plastic on a gun designed to be steel. I'd buy the HBI handguard if it were polymer. |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 12:10:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jekbrown]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mecha_Loopy:
Not the rod (those are ss), the aftermarket handles are aluminum. HBI says in their install video to not use the aluminum handles with their handguard, and my Manticore has done a number on my Shooters Element charging handle (or vise versa). Not a dealbreaker necessarily, but something that some folks might want to avoid. Interesting. Have to keep an eye on this. Maybe CHs should be steel? BCGs / AR uppers seem to get along for the most part. Little surface wear but NBD. In general terms I'm fine with Al on the gun. I thought the AR15 got rid of all the "you can't have both of those materials in a gun!" ideas. It has pretty much everything but wood... Especially these days with people using Ti. Not uncommon for ARs to have at least 3 different kinds of steel, a couple different types of Al, and a few different polymers as well. As always, to each their own though. Variety is a good thing. |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 12:17:13 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By avboiler11:
If this has already been asked upthread, my apologies. Does the "newer" Scorpion Evo S1 pistol, sku 91351, require a full 922r kit to SBR or can you simply install the CZ folding stock? I'd put money on you have to hit 922r requirements on your own. Here's a route (since the kits are no longer made, last I knew): Manticore/Apex/someone elses pistol grip. 922r part #1. Muzzle device - I went 3 lug for my suppressor. 922r part #2 New trigger, since yours shouldn't have the welded screw. 922r parts#3/4/5 depending on who you go with Either you replace the magazine parts on all your CZ branded mags (which counts as 2 parts per mag) OR you grab the new Manticore mags which are 3 parts. 922r parts #6/7/8 depending on what choice you make Disconnector. 922r part #9 Manticore handguard. 922r part #10 So there are options. If you install the CZ stock, you should have to get 7 parts instead of the standard 6, if I read the rule correctly. |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 2:53:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jekbrown]
[#40]
It's more about removing foreign parts than it is adding American ones. Muzzle device, for example. You don't need to put a US one on... You just need to remove / toss the foreign one. Of course, most other parts are kinda required, so in practical terms you're correct.
Manticore hg, apex grip, manticore stock, manticore mags, one of the triggers that are out there...should be good. If a person wanted to go with the new manticore kurz handguard / bbl set ups that'd get ya another part with the bbl. |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 3:19:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
It's more about removing foreign parts than it is adding American ones. Muzzle device, for example. You don't need to put a US one on... You just need to remove / toss the foreign one. Of course, most other parts are kinda required, so in practical terms you're correct.
Manticore hg, apex grip, manticore stock, manticore mags, one of the triggers that are out there...should be good. If a person wanted to go with the new manticore kurz handguard / bbl set ups that'd get ya another part with the bbl. You're correct, it was just another option for the list. I wonder if you could throw the shorter barrel on there with a longer handguard and be good to go? Looking for a way to lose a few inches, and through a carbine length barrel over it to cover more of my Rugged Obsidian. |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 7:25:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bishop3]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Burnsy87:
I'd put money on you have to hit 922r requirements on your own. Here's a route (since the kits are no longer made, last I knew): Manticore/Apex/someone elses pistol grip. 922r part #1. Muzzle device - I went 3 lug for my suppressor. 922r part #2 New trigger, since yours shouldn't have the welded screw. 922r parts#3/4/5 depending on who you go with Either you replace the magazine parts on all your CZ branded mags (which counts as 2 parts per mag) OR you grab the new Manticore mags which are 3 parts. 922r parts #6/7/8 depending on what choice you make Disconnector. 922r part #9 Manticore handguard. 922r part #10 So there are options. If you install the CZ stock, you should have to get 7 parts instead of the standard 6, if I read the rule correctly. I finished installing the CZ 922r with stock kit this morning. What is this about 7 parts? I swapped:(1)muzzle device, (2)pistol grip, (3)trigger shoe, (4)disconnector, (5)magazine base and (6)magazine follower. Added stock Plan on adding a direct thread attachment for a can too. I'm I compliant or not? It was extremely fun to shoot today, the stock makes the difference. Thanks Bishop3 |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 9:38:32 PM EDT
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The way I understand it, you added an additional foreign stock (if you went with the cz stock) so you have to compensate with replacing a different foreign part with a domestic part.
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Posted: 1/28/2017 10:08:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bishop3]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Burnsy87:
The way I understand it, you added an additional foreign stock (if you went with the cz stock) so you have to compensate with replacing a different foreign part with a domestic part. There are a 16 parts that the ATF say pertain to 922r compliance this includes the buttstock. I removed 6 this leaves 10 parts. 10 parts or less is 922r compliant? There is a diagram that confirms this. It is the assembly not disassembly? |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 10:50:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Burnsy87]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bishop3:
There are a 16 parts that the ATF say pertain to 922r compliance this includes the buttstock. I removed 6 this leaves 10 parts. 10 parts or less is 922r compliant? There is a diagram that confirms this. It is the assembly not disassembly? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bishop3:
Originally Posted By Burnsy87:
The way I understand it, you added an additional foreign stock (if you went with the cz stock) so you have to compensate with replacing a different foreign part with a domestic part. There are a 16 parts that the ATF say pertain to 922r compliance this includes the buttstock. I removed 6 this leaves 10 parts. 10 parts or less is 922r compliant? There is a diagram that confirms this. It is the assembly not disassembly? If you used the stock from CZ, it becomes part 17, so you now how to get down to ten from 17, not 16. If you used an aftermarket stock made domestically, you're there. I could be completely wrong though. It's happened before. |
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Posted: 1/28/2017 11:53:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Burnsy87:
If you used the stock from CZ, it becomes part 17, so you now how to get down to ten from 17, not 16. If you used an aftermarket stock made domestically, you're there. I could be completely wrong though. It's happened before.  Attached FileThe 16 parts listed pertaining to 922r. Subtract 6 of those pertaining to 922r you will have 10 on an assembled SBR. I don't understand, when the buttstock is included already per the ATF count. Maybe someone could explain '17 parts', though according to this chart 16 are in question as pertaining to 922r 
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Posted: 1/29/2017 12:51:15 AM EDT
[#47]
OK, I'm confused on the parts count now also. Since I'm doing a pistol to SBR build and it doesn't have a stock to start with, do I need to go from 15 parts to 10 or go from 16 to 10?
Here's what I have so far for a pistol to SBR build: 1. Mag Follower 2. Mag Base 3. Manticore Stock - Since I'm not replacing, but adding a part, does it count? Need to Purchase: 4. Trigger 5. Disconnect 6. Sear 7. Hammer 8. Muzzle Device 9. ??????? Pistol Grip, if I can find a FDE I like. If I skip the muzzle device and the pistol grip that gives me either 6 or 7 (counting the stock), is that good enough to be compliant???? |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 1:18:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bishop3]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By paraord16:
OK, I'm confused on the parts count now also. Since I'm doing a pistol to SBR build and it doesn't have a stock to start with, do I need to go from 15 parts to 10 or go from 16 to 10? Here's what I have so far for a pistol to SBR build: 1. Mag Follower 2. Mag Base 3. Manticore Stock - Since I'm not replacing, but adding a part, does it count? Need to Purchase: 4. Trigger 5. Disconnect 6. Sear 7. Hammer 8. Muzzle Device 9. ??????? Pistol Grip, if I can find a FDE I like. If I skip the muzzle device and the pistol grip that gives me either 6 or 7 (counting the stock), is that good enough to be compliant???? I have reformatted this question in the SBR forum. I will install a CZ "922r compliant kit" that includes a buttstock. I will replace 6 parts, though apparently the buttstock is included in the count. Yes, there are 'aftermarket options' (money) I rather not purchase now, should the kit w/buttstock meet 922r. I like the CZ stock for what it's worth. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 2:48:06 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown:
It's more about removing foreign parts than it is adding American ones. Muzzle device, for example. You don't need to put a US one on... You just need to remove / toss the foreign one. Of course, most other parts are kinda required, so in practical terms you're correct.
Manticore hg, apex grip, manticore stock, manticore mags, one of the triggers that are out there...should be good. If a person wanted to go with the new manticore kurz handguard / bbl set ups that'd get ya another part with the bbl. Our kurz barrels are Czech made barrels and trunnions that we cut down. They are not usa made parts. |
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Posted: 1/29/2017 3:54:50 AM EDT
[#50]
Copy that, thanks for the clarification!
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